One of the best videos on tongues I've seen

AMEN!
they are indeed easy to FAKE!
which is why i only Speak in Tongues when I pray because i believe what Paul instructed in


1 Corinthians
2:7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:

14:2 For he that speaks in a tongue speaks not to men, but to God; for no one understands, though in spirit he speaks mysteries;

Thank you for your post.

The EXACT Timing of the "ceasing" of Holy Spirit Gifts was CLEARLY given in His Word.
There is ZERO dispute on this except from those of unbelief and hard hearts.
We do not need any writings from '"church fathers" concerning this, for if we refuse to believe "it is written" then our faith and trust is in man and not God.

Peace

Watchers- Thank you again for this illumination, I have another area to explore.
I, as well, am blessed and grow greatly from the Divine prayer language, I notice over and over when this is mentioned the discussion is twisted and goes to the public expression, which I seldom ever see or am exposed to. But then, I only go where He wants me to go, and I only do what He wants me to do. Those who speak of being in services and hearing and seeing what to them is not of God may have violated this first principle of obedience.
bless you

Point 3: The gift of tongues is not for everyone.

"But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to each one for the profit of all: for to one is given the word of wisdom through the Spirit, to another the word of knowledge through the same Spirit, to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healings by [the same Spirit, to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another discerning of spirits, to another different kinds of tongues, to another the interpretation of tongues. But one and the same Spirit works all these things, distributing to each one individually as He wills." 1 Corinthians 12:7-11

The Holy Spirit gives the different gifts as He wills. Not everyone had the gift of tongues back then and neither is it scriptural to expect that everyone today should have the gift. Something else in this passage warrants comment. V. 10 says: ". . . to another different kinds of tongues." The gift is the ability to speak different languages, not an angelic language. If we take out the word "different" which is italicized in the KJV and NKJV, we still have "kinds of tongues." That is, a variety of languages. They weren't speaking "angelic," but different human languages which required and interpreter to interpret. If they were speaking "angelic," and the gift of tongues was the ability to hear in one's own native tongue, there would be no need for interpretation.

"Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Are all workers of miracles? Do all have gifts of healings? Do all speak with tongues? Do all interpret?" 1 Corinthians 12:29-30

Obviously the answer is no.

Very Good - you finally accept a 'part' of 1 Corinthians.

Now go further in faith and believe all that is written in it for your edification, admonition and understanding.

Agreed 100%

Amen!
I agree with you 100%

This again? Talk about beating your dead horse!

It's very simple:

For those who believe the gifts have ceased,

They have indeed ceased.

of course they have NOT. He is the same, yesterday, today and forever.
He doesn't change, if you are not walking with Him in His power, He isn't the one who left the relationship.

There is a pretty lousy argument here. Basically, he assumes what speaking in tongues is and keeps repeating his assumption.

No evidence of evangelistic speaking in tongues in scripture
Actually read Acts 2. Those who heard speaking in tongues said it was 'the wonderous works of God.' They didn't say anything about preaching the cross or the resurrection. If the disciples had 'preached the Gospel' and explained salvation, why didn't they just dunk all the people right after speaking in tongues. But, no, Peter stood up and preached.

So there is no evidence in the Bible of preaching the Gospel in tongues in the Bible, but our video commentator hear makes a whole argument based on that assumption, repeating the idea over and over again. He even interprets I Corinthians 14:18 to be about Paul saying he preached the Gospel in tongues, when Paul says no such thing. Paul had just spoken about praying in tongues.

Tongues as Prayers of Thanksgiving
I Corinthians 14:16-17 shows us that the content of speaking in tongues can be saying a prayer of thanksgiving. The Spirit can say whatever the Spirit wants to, but the only two examples we have of specifically what was or might be spoken in tongues in scripture are 'wonderous works of God' and giving thanks in tongues.

While I would not say that speaking in tongues cannot be other utterances, there is no example or teaching the speaking in tongues is evangelistic proclamation of the Gospel. To make a doctrine out of such an assumption is ridiculous.

Why Romans 11?
I agree with him that there is no reason to associate the groaning of Romans 11 with speaking in tongues, but he doesn't explain the leap to that line of reasoning, that there are some who teach this. Without that context, bringing this up makes little sense These groanings cannot be uttered. But tongues are spoken as the Spirit gives them utterance.

Tongues of Angels and the Dichotomy

He presents a silly false dichotomy, the idea that tongues are either a human language or a heavenly language. The Pentecostal movement allows for both, but has emphasized human languages more historically. One reason is because of the numerous experiences in the early Pentecostal movement and since of people hearing languages they knew 'in tongues.' Seymour collected testimonies of it in 'The Apostolic Faith' newsletter. There were other people who wrote accounts of it during the Azusa Street Revival. I think I have encountered a few Charismatics who thinks tongues are an angelic or heavenly language. I'd imagine that's a minority that some WOFers or other Charismatics might hold to, but probably not a majority view, or at least not a historical view. In the 1960's, there is evidence that Charismatics believed in speaking in tongues as 'real languages.' You can look at the Book 'The New Charismatics II' for support for this.

Now, Biblically, Pentecostals will allow for the idea that tongues may be tongues of angels based on I Corinthians 13. I notice he doesn't go on to show that some of the things Paul suggests he might do are give all to the poor and give his body to be poor. These are possible to do. Moving mountains is possible also according to Jesus. Even knowing all mysteries and all knowledge should probably be viewed as the _maximum_ possible. So arguing that tongues of angels is impossible isn't a compelling argument. And also the idea of people speaking in tongues of angels shows up in the Testament of Job, so the idea was floating around back then.

As far as application goes, it doesn't matter if tongues are angelic or not. The speaker in tongues does not or may not understand his own tongue. We see this in I Corinthians 14:19, where Paul would rather pray with his mind than in tongues in church. The implication is that if he speaks in tongues, he is not speaking with his mind, but rather with his spirit. If you speak a language you know, you speak with your mind. In this passage, Paul describes speaking in tongues as something. One can understand speaking in tongues with a spiritual gift, the interpretation of tongues.

Also Paul uses 'speak' with tongues to refer to speaking to God in I Corinthians 14. So praying in tongues is also speaking with tongues.

Right

53When Jesus had finished these parables, He withdrew from that place. 54Coming to His hometown, He taught the people in their synagogue, and they were astonished. “Where did this man get such wisdom and miraculous powers?” they asked. 55“Isn’t this the carpenter’s son? Isn’t His mother’s name Mary, and aren’t His brothers James, Joseph,g Simon, and Judas? 56Aren’t all His sisters with us as well? Where then did this man get all these things?” 57And they took offense at Him.

But Jesus said to them, “Only in his hometown and in his own household is a prophet without honor.” 58And He did not do many miracles there, because of their unbelief. Matthew 13

Do you have a source that compiles these, or the individual sources? That sounds interesting.

There is some conjecture that the idea of 'that which is perfect' occurring before the return of Christ was first a Montanist interpretation. Maybe they thought Montanus or his message were that which is perfect. But Eusebius Ecclesiastical history records that a Miltiades challenged the Montanists, fourteen years after the death of the last of Montanus' two assistants to produce a prophet, and that the apostle taught that prophecy would continue until the Lord returned.

looks like your horse is the one that is dead, those who walk in His gifts have horses very much alive.

I agree with him,that the meaning of tongues and God blessing people with that gift refers to human languages.

It just makes sense. When the Apostles were to bring the Gospel to all the world, they'd have to do so in the native tongues of the worlds people.
The Acts 2 scripture he cites speaks of that gift of Holy Spirit.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts 2&version=CJB,MOUNCE

The jibbering so many TV pastors utter is not a human language. And some repeat the same jibberish every show.
It isn't angelic language. Angels don't need to know the Gospel.

I think we also have to remember what Paul said in 1 Corinthians 14 that addresses speaking and interpreting tongues throughout.

13 Therefore someone who speaks in a tongue should pray for the power to interpret.

28 And if there is no one present who can interpret, let the people who speak in tongues keep silent when the congregation meets — they can speak to themselves and to God. 29 Let two or three prophets speak, while the others weigh what is said.

There we go again when the Divine prayer language is what we are guided to participate in without ceasing.
Why do so many heap themselves to TV preachers? Do they have "itching ears"? Jesus does not guide people to do so. Doing so is obviously NOT obedience to Him.

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You misunderstand this poster. Maybe read a little slower.

CORRECT - the TRUTH is ALIVE and LIVING = EXCEPT in the unbelieving heart and mind

Paul is talking about speaking in tongues with another interpreting in the church assembly. Not all will do that.

In each of the accounts in Acts 2, 8,9,10,11, 19 where tongues is mentioned they all spoke in tongues.

Each one. Everyone. All of them.

Therefore Paul must be talking about giving a tongue in the assembly like the 1 Corinthians understood him to be discussing, where someone with the gift of interpretation gave the meaning. This would not be done by everyone.

Paul was not saying that NOT all 120 in Acts 2 spoke in tongues because Paul knew very well that they did.

Paul is not saying that not all 12 of the Ephesus disciples spoke in tongues because Paul knew that they all did.

Paul is not saying that not all in the house of Cornelius spoke in tongues that day because Paul knew very well that they did.

Paul is simply making a point that not all will be used in the church service to speak in tongues and another interpret for the edification of the whole assembly.

This is the superior hermeneutic. Context is necessary.

The problem is, the Bible doesn't support your theory. In Acts 2, they spoke of 'the wonderful works of God' according to those listening. But it doesn't say that the preached Jesus and Him crucified or the resurrection of Christ. After the speaking in tongues, Peter stood up and preached the Gospel. In I Corinthians 14, when one speaks in tongues, no one present understands, and the utterance needs to be interpreted for the church to be edified. There is a spiritual gift of interpretation of tongues. Speaking in tongues can be a prayer of thanksgiving in the passage.