Who Justifieth the Ungodly

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brightfame52 said:
the bible is a external revelation, words written on paper.
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Scripture is the Word of God.

Scripture is more than just "words written on paper".

You have such a low opinion of Scripture, the Words of God that God gave to mankind.




brightfame52 said:
They save no one, you can find a bible probably in everyone's house in America, setting around collecting dust.
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"they save no one" is nothing but a lie from the pit. The problem is not with Scripture. The problem is that folks don't open the Book and read it.

The problem is that the Bible, the Word of God, is "setting around collecting dust".




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Your delusion is you believe that anyone by nature, can pick up a bible and read it and understand it. Thats error, and disrespectful to the Spirit of Truth.
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What is "disrespectful to the Spirit of Truth" is to have the Bible, the Word of God, "setting around collecting dust".




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Why do you waste time doing all that, word studies
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Because you spewed your lie that the Word of God "takes no effect inwardly"




brightfame52 said:
When it comes as word only, it takes no effect inwardly
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Your statement has no basis in truth. God tells us the gospel is the power of God unto salvation.

You hold God's Word in such low esteem. You are blind to the power of the Word of God. To you, the Word of God is just "words written on paper".

To me the Word of God is life

Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

The word "quick" is translated from the Greek word zaō which means life.

When the Lord Jesus Christ was tempted of the devil (Matt 4:1-11; Luke 4:1-13), He overcame satan by standing on the truth. Read the records. Jesus relied on it is written. What a shame we are so ignorant of God's Word and end up so weak we cannot stand and withstand the onslaught of the adversary. It is written was good enough for Jesus when He walked the face of the earth. I will follow in His footsteps.




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Any reasonable person can see from this verse, that the Gospel can be preached in word only, without the attending power of the Spirit with it.
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:rolleyes: oh ... so you're one of those folks who need to see signs before you'll believe?

Look at what God says about the Bereans:

Acts 17:

11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

12 Therefore many of them believed; also of honourable women which were Greeks, and of men, not a few.


We need more Bereans ... those who hear the preaching of the Word and then go home and search the Scriptures daily to make sure that what is taught is in alignment with what is written in Scripture.
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brightfame52 said:
that is exactly what you do, try to earn Justification by doing good, by your act of believing. your virtue of faith !
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Again, just because you misinterpret Scripture to claim that faith = works, when Scripture plainly tells us faith ≠ works does not mean I am entangled in your error.
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reneweddaybyday said:
Your erroneous dogma only affects you ... your erroneous dogma does not affect the truth of Scripture, nor does it affect me.
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your propagating Justification by your human faith, which is law keeping.
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your "human faith" fallacy has been proven to be in error as there is only one faith (Eph 4:5).

your "faith is law keeping" fallacy has been proven to be in error as Scripture is clear that faith ≠ works (Rom 4:5).

Your erroneous dogma does not hold up under the scrutiny of Scripture.
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reneweddaybyday said:
Ephesians 1:13 In whom [the Lord Jesus Christ] ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise

After you heard, you believed.

After you believed, you were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise (regenerated / born again)
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Eph 1:13 is describing the regenerated person being brought to faith !
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Nope. The verse clearly states that after a person hears, they believe and after a person believes, they are sealed with that Holy Spirit of promise (regenerated).

You are suggesting the verse reads that a person is sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise (regenerated) before they hear/believe and, clearly, that is not how the verse is written.

Your manipulation of Scripture fails.
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brightfame52 said:
you exalt your human faith
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your "human faith" fallacy has been proven to be in error as there is only one faith (Eph 4:5).

your "faith is law keeping" fallacy has been proven to be in error as Scripture is clear that faith ≠ works (Rom 4:5).

Your erroneous dogma does not hold up under the scrutiny of Scripture.
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Jn 1:12-13

12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

... those who received His word, had been born of God
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:rolleyes: ... just more of your "born again in order to believe that through which a person is born again" dogma ...

verse 12 explains what occurs when a person receives [Greek lambanō – to lay hold by aggressively (actively) accepting what is available] the Lord Jesus Christ as opposed to those who reject Him as those shown in vs 11.

Those who lay hold by actively accepting the Lord Jesus Christ are granted the privilege, honor, right to become sons of God.

even to them that believe on his name ... those who receive Him (lambanō – to lay hold by aggressively (actively) accepting) are the ones who believe on His name.

verse 13 explains that those who receive Him ... those who believe on His name are begotten of God ... not in some distant time in the past to which you continuously infer ... but at the time they received [Greek lambanō – to lay hold by aggressively (actively) accepting what is available] the Lord Jesus Christ and believed on his name (vs 12).

Again, under your erroneous dogma how many times must a person be born again before they are really, truly, really, really, really born again???
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I have no problem with Romans 12:3 ...

Since it is you who does not believe Romans 12:3, then it is you who has the problem with God.
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You trying to make it apply to all mankind, when its referring only to the saints, particularly at the time of writing, the saints at rome Rom 1:7-8

7 To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.

8 First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for you all, that your faith is spoken of throughout the whole world.
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:rolleyes: ... so now you want me to believe that Romans 1:18-32 refers only to believers????
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God justifies those who believe on Him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead for we are justified by faith. Those who reject God will find themselves rejected come judgment day.
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God Justifieth the ungodly, so that means He Justified them before Faith
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no it doesn't. Once a person is justified, they are no longer "ungodly".

So if a person is justified before he/she believes, he/she is not "ungodly".

Again, your erroneous dogma fails.




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just like He reconciled them before Faith and while enemies
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you've got the same problem here as well. If a person is already justified before he/she believes, he/she is not an "enemy" of God.
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righteousness is imputed when a person believes
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righteousness is received[into the conscience] when one believes, it existed before God prior to their believing
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113 pages into this thread and you have provided no support for your erroneous dogma that " righteousness is received[into the conscience] when one believes, it existed before God prior to their believing "




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All these refer to the Justified world of the Elect !
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:rolleyes: ... "Justified world of the Elect !" another made up term of your erroneous dogma ...


Ephesians 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive
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reneweddaybyday said:
Your feeble attempts to make faith a "doing of the Law" are nothing but the musings of your erroneous dogma.
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your human faith error has backed you up into a corner
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Your "human faith" is another made up term of your erroneous dogma.




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So you must keep the whole Law to be Justified before God
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oh foolish brightfame52

Galatians 3:2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

Acts 15:10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?
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nope ... it is a construct of the doctrine of calvinism.

limited atonement is the third letter of the acronym TULIP which is commonly known as the five points of calvinism.
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Oh Yes its a doctrine of God, limited atonement is
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nope ... look at how you have to manipulate Scripture in order to prop up your beloved "limited atonement" dogma

in 1 Tim 2:4, you have to change "all man" to "all elect"

1 Timothy 2:4 Who [God] will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.


in John 1:29, John 3:16-17, 1 John 2:2, you have to change "the world" and "the whole world" to "the world of the elect"

John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

You have no problem manipulating Scripture because you do not believe Scripture. You add a little here, remove a little there ... and the result is unscriptural ... merely the musings of vain imagining




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reneweddaybyday said:
The same truth concerning the Lord Jesus Christ having taken on Himself the likeness of men is stated in Phil 2:

Philippians 2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men

The difference between what is written in Heb 2 and what is written in Phil 2 is the audience to whom the letters were written.

Hebrews was written to Jewish believers (physical descendants of Abraham) ... Philippians was written to gentile believers.
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Heb 2:14-16
14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil
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The word "partakers" is translated from the Greek word koinōneō which means communion, fellowship, share fully. All descendants of Adam share fully in flesh and blood of mankind.

The words "part of the same" are translated from the Greek word metechó which means a share of. The Lord Jesus Christ did not partake fully ... He took on Himself only a part.

The part of the same the Lord Jesus Christ took was flesh ... not blood.

John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.


The Lord Jesus Christ did not partake of the blood of men. The Lord Jesus Christ is the only begotten of the Father.

All the rest of mankind ... all descendants of Adam ... all come from one blood:

Acts 17:26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation
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brightfame52 said:
Heb 2:16

16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.
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The same truth concerning the Lord Jesus Christ having taken on Himself the likeness of men is stated in Phil 2:

Philippians 2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men

The difference between what is written in Heb 2 and what is written in Phil 2 is the audience to whom the letters were written.

Hebrews was written to Jewish believers (physical descendants of Abraham) ... Philippians was written to gentile believers.
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