Former pentecostal

what's to learn?
i was Baptist and thought every day God cannot be this boring and lifeless and void. i tried Denominations like Wesleyan, Lutheran, Presbyterian and thought i would kill myself from the Spiritual Deathness. then Pentecostal. Grant it i am Independent now, and have Witnessed God like never before. but why would i want to be spiritually DEAD in those other Denominations?

then may i ask this question. if you follow the idealism about the "Perfect to Come" is when the Bible was finished. how can it be finished when we don't have One Perfect Translation of it?

most are using the Translation from Greek to Latin to English when Latin has 3 possible words to every Greek word and English has 4 possible to every Latin and the same towards the Greek.

we don't even have the most authentic originals to judge by.

I'm Lutheran and not spiritually dead at all. I see God working in mine and others lives like never before.

i am happy for you <3

i tried to be happy in the others. i always studied and followed the Pastors leading. was in Groups and did things for the Community. but i felt trapped and was not able to Worship God in freedom when in those Church settings. one time i just felt like i read about king David, who stripped down and danced as the Ark of the Covenant was approaching. they almost tackled me like i was possessed. but i looked at them and said, i see the presence of God in Worship is not welcomed here. i Rebuked them and walked out.

years later, several of those same people started going to Church where i was attending. they were suffocating as well. but that is Spiritual Growth. we cannot live on Milk forever.

The word perfect most often means complete.
Just because we do not have the original manuscripts does not mean the Scripture is not complete.
I have a Pentecostal friend and we discuss Scripture often.
We agree on many things and disagree on some.
We disagree in tongues. We agree to disagree and never discuss the subject.
I do not wish to offend anyone.
We disagree. I am convinced I am right based on Scripture and you are convinced you are right based on Scripture and neither will change their mind, so why not just move on and be friends.

isn't when we see Jesus as He really is in His Glory going to be a Perfection to Come, like the Church Fathers claim?

look at what Paul says here in 1 Corinthians 13:
10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.

12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face:

this what Origen claims:
Origen:
combines Verse 12 with 10 when we see Jesus [face to face]

Paul said "that which is perfect" not "who that is perfect".
Could care less what "the church fathers" said.
We disagree. I will leave it there.

i am happy for you <3

i tried to be happy in the others. i always studied and followed the Pastors leading. was in Groups and did things for the Community. but i felt trapped and was not able to Worship God in freedom when in those Church settings. one time i just felt like i read about king David, who stripped down and danced as the Ark of the Covenant was approaching. they almost tackled me like i was possessed. but i looked at them and said, i see the presence of God in Worship is not welcomed here. i Rebuked them and walked out.

years later, several of those same people started going to Church where i was attending. they were suffocating as well. but that is Spiritual Growth. we cannot live on Milk forever.

i like how it is written in the most original Greek used by Jerome in 380 AD:

1 Corinthians:
10 but when that which is perfect has come,
then that which is partial will pass away.

12 For now we see in a mirror dimly,
but then face to face.


this what Origen claims:
Origen:
combines Verse 12 with 10 when we see Jesus [face to face]

So worship in spirit and truth means dancing? Because David danced. Not that I'm against dancing. But I thought the meat was the Holy Spirit enacting his word in your heart and soul. That your life become conformed to his word.
Seems to me (I could be wrong) that you were trying to be alive by works. We cant accomplish life only his word in us can.

Is it proper to use "that" when referring to a person?
Do not know who you are quoting.
Again, others opinions have little to no influence on my belief.

face to face is a Person!
when you look at the Bible closed you see a Cover, when it is opened you see white pages with black and red letters.
big difference.

But you did not answer my question.
When I read and study the Word of God, I do see Him face to face.
Those who do not are missing a blessing.

no you don't!

what you see now is nowhere close to what you will see when you see Him Perfect in His Glory as King of kings and Lord of lords.

i like how it is written in the most original Greek used by Jerome in 380 AD:

1 Corinthians:
10 but when that which is perfect has come,
then that which is partial will pass away.

12 For now we see in a mirror dimly,
but then face to face.


this what Origen claims:
Origen:
combines Verse 12 with 10 when we see Jesus [face to face]

I noticed you did not quote verse 13 that states only faith, hope and love continue.
Tongues is not mentioned.

Good night all.