Did Jesus Forgive Us All Our Sins; Past/Present/Future

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If Jesus forgave us all our sins, why did Paul caution us?

Paul made it abundantly clear that sin has consequences: “Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows” (Galatians 6:7). Paul then describes the end of those who indulge in sinful behavior: “The one who sows to please his sinful nature, from that nature will reap destruction” (Galatians 6:8).
 
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arthurfleminger said:
If Jesus forgave us all our sins, why did Paul caution us?

Paul made it abundantly clear that sin has consequences: “Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows” (Galatians 6:7). Paul then describes the end of those who indulge in sinful behavior: “The one who sows to please his sinful nature, from that nature will reap destruction” (Galatians 6:8).
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So, what did Paul mean in that a "sinful nature' will reap destruction"? What type of destruction is he speaking of?
 
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look at it like this-

steal from your job, get caught, get fired. destruction of part of your life.

cheat on your spouse, get caught, get divorced. destruction of that part of your life.

tell lies, get caught, no one trusts you anymore. destuction of that part of your life.

now, all these sins are forgivable , but the negative results of the sin remains.
 
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arthurfleminger said:
So, what did Paul mean in that a "sinful nature' will reap destruction"? What type of destruction is he speaking of?
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We know from Romans 8 that there is now therefore no condemnation for those in Christ Jesus. We have passed from death to life. So the destruction must be temporal and not eternal.
An example is an alcoholic. His sins are forgiven but he may still die of cirrhosis of the liver caused by the years of abuse.
 
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Cameron143 said:
We know from Romans 8 that there is now therefore no condemnation for those in Christ Jesus. We have passed from death to life. So the destruction must be temporal and not eternal.
An example is an alcoholic. His sins are forgiven but he may still die of cirrhosis of the liver caused by the years of abuse.
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Christian or not, Jesus emphatically warned about the consequences of sin. He was talking to and teaching His followers when He said, "If your right eye causes you to sin, tear it out and throw it away. For it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body be thrown into hell. "

Jesus was talking to His followers and He didn't tell them they were freed from the consequences of sin.
 
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gb9 said:
look at it like this-

steal from your job, get caught, get fired. destruction of part of your life.

cheat on your spouse, get caught, get divorced. destruction of that part of your life.

tell lies, get caught, no one trusts you anymore. destuction of that part of your life.

now, all these sins are forgivable , but the negative results of the sin remains.
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You mention the negative results of sin. Jesus warned His followers and taught them, " If your right eye causes you to sin, tear it out and throw it away. For it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body be thrown into hell. " Matthew 5
 
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arthurfleminger said:
Christian or not, Jesus emphatically warned about the consequences of sin. He was talking to and teaching His followers when He said, "If your right eye causes you to sin, tear it out and throw it away. For it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body be thrown into hell. "

Jesus was talking to His followers and He didn't tell them they were freed from the consequences of sin.
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I agree and perhaps my inability to communicate that well suggested otherwise. I was merely trying to point out the difference between eternal consequences and temporal ones.
 
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arthurfleminger said:
You mention the negative results of sin. Jesus warned His followers and taught them, " If your right eye causes you to sin, tear it out
and throw it away. For it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body be thrown into hell. " Matthew 5
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Do you still have your eyes and hands? :unsure:
 
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Magenta said:
Do you still have your eyes and hands? :unsure:
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Do you still have your eyes and hands? :unsure:
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Yes, I still have my eyes and hands. However, I do take Jesus' warnings very seriously and, even as a Christian I know these warnings apply to me. When Jesus warns, best stand to attention and take heed because He's speaking to you and me.
 
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arthurfleminger said:
Yes, I still have my eyes and hands. However, I do take Jesus' warnings very seriously and, even as a Christian I know these
warnings apply to me. When Jesus warns, best stand to attention and take heed because He's speaking to you and me.
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And yet... and yet, you still have your eyes and your hands. So how exactly did you take heed?
 
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arthurfleminger said:
You mention the negative results of sin. Jesus warned His followers and taught them, " If your right eye causes you to sin, tear it out and throw it away. For it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body be thrown into hell. " Matthew 5
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so, you do know that you sin, right? we all sin. you cut anything off yet??
 
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I only commit sins that require me to cut off finger and toe nails.
 
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arthurfleminger said:
Christian or not, Jesus emphatically warned about the consequences of sin. He was talking to and teaching His followers when He said, "If your right eye causes you to sin, tear it out and throw it away. For it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body be thrown into hell. "

Jesus was talking to His followers and He didn't tell them they were freed from the consequences of sin.
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Jesus was talking to unsaved Jews who were under the Law.
 
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Jesus was talking to unsaved Jews who were under the Law.
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It is true that Jesus predominately preached His Gospel to the Jews, no doubt about that. And you are saying that Jesus' teachings in the 4 Gospels only applied to the Jews of the day and that they weren't for all souls, past/present/future?

You are basically saying that Jesus' teachings in the Gospels don't apply to you. Jesus' teachings Gospels weren't meant for Christians? Wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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Dino246 said:
Jesus was talking to unsaved Jews who were under the Law.
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On the subject of sin, Paul's testimony to Christians agreed with Jesus teaching. Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
 
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arthurfleminger said:
It is true that Jesus predominately preached His Gospel to the Jews, no doubt about that. And you are saying that Jesus' teachings in the 4 Gospels only applied to the Jews of the day and that they weren't for all souls, past/present/future?

You are basically saying that Jesus' teachings in the Gospels don't apply to you. Jesus' teachings Gospels weren't meant for Christians? Wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Perhaps you should read Hebrews... carefully.
 
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arthurfleminger said:
On the subject of sin, Paul's testimony to Christians agreed with Jesus teaching. Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
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And...?
 
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Well praise God one post kinda caught me off guard and really made me laugh.. thanks Sis.

Yes free from sin it no longer has a hold on us. OT it was only covered. Today if we believe in trust in Christ we are made new that new man which after GOD IS created in righteousness and true holiness. New spirit? Paul I do what I don't want to do.. what I want to do I don't do. Its no longer I that sin but sin that is in me. It was said here there is no more condemnation to them in Christ Jesus. Nor does He judge us since that judgement He took for the world. HELLO GOOD NEWS
 
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If jesus did nto pay for future sin, You better never sin again, Because once you do. there is no more payment for sin. Your under law. and according to the law. Guilty and cursed.
 
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