RAPTURE

FreeGrace2 said:
Why would John write "who ARE INVITED to the wedding supper" if it had already occurred 7 years before?
OK, so you believe that the wedding supper will occur "when He comes" back at the resurrection, as 1 Cor 15:23 says.

however, there is no "rapture", meaning a glorified trip to heaven.
The text states, "those HAVING BEEN INVITED [perfect participle]"... meaning, "action completed at a specific point of time in PAST (.) with results continuing into the present (--->)" ; which tells us that at the Rev19 point in the chronology, all the "INVITING" (of the plural "guestS") has been completed.[/QUOTE]
OK, all you are pointing out is that the invitation has already been given. It says nothing about the actual event has already having occurred. And looking through all the various translations on biblehub.com ALL of them are rendered "ARE invited/called".

So even though the invitation has already occurred doesn't mean the event has already occurred.

All the translators viewed v.9 as an event that was about to occur, which would be "when He comes" back to earth.

I agree that none of the living believers on earth "when He comes" will be taken to heaven, but the Bible does use the words "caught up" and "gathered together" to indicate that the living believers will be lifted off the earth to meet Jesus and the dead believers from heaven "when He comes" back. And, of course, the whole host will then continue down to earth.

FreeGrace2 said:
Why would John write "who ARE INVITED to the wedding supper" if it had already occurred 7 years before?
Right. We agree on that. My point is directly at the pre-tribbers.

Right. (agree... not a thing. lol)

The invitation, in this passage, was to "the wedding feast / supper" (which is the promised and prophesied EARTHLY Millennial Kingdom age which is about to commence at this point in the chronology: when He RETURNS to the earth Rev19); the invitation in this case was NOT to "the Marriage" (which pertains, instead, to the "Bride / Wife [singular]" in this passage, v.7), but rather to "the wedding feast / supper" (i.e. to the earthly MK age) and pertains distinctly to (v.9) "those [plural] having been INVITED" ("having been invited" all during the Trib years which had just unfolded upon the earth in the years immediately preceding and leading up to this point in the chronology: His RETURN to the earth Rev19 FOR the MK age).





Even Lk12:36-37,38,40,42-44 (parallel to Matt24:42-51 or thereabouts) says, "when he will RETURN FROM the wedding..." ...THEN "the MEAL [G347--used in Matt8:11 and parallel, re: the earthly MK age]"

Right, coz "the wedding feast / supper" IS the promised and prophesied EARTHLY Millennial Kingdom age (at least its inauguration), which will commence upon His RETURN to the earth Rev19. The "wedding feast / supper" pertains to the "INVITED" guests [plural]" (not to the "Bride / Wife [singular]"of this passage)... and the text states, "those HAVING BEEN INVITED [perfect participle]" (that took place all throughout the Trib years which had just unfolded on the earth leading up to this point); "the wedding feast / supper" (i.e. MK age) being the next thing to take place in the chronology, from this point (Rev19)




[passages like Lk12:36-37,38,40,42-44 / Matt24:42-51 and Matt22:[9-]12-14 and Matt25:[1-]13 (not to mention Matt8:11 and parallel) take up the next scene, all occurring on the earth, upon His RETURN there]

FreeGrace2 said:
So even though the invitation has already occurred doesn't mean the event has already occurred.

All the translators viewed v.9 as an event that was about to occur, which would be "when He comes" back to earth.
So tell me, please, who are the "invited ones", if not the"Bride"? btw, even though the word "bride" and "wife" are singular, it still refers to a whole group of people.

@FreeGrace2 ,

--"a whole group of people" = the SINGULAR "Bride / Wife" (v.7--the ONE to whom "the MARRIAGE" pertains / pertained); set in contradistinction to

--"those [PLURAL] having been INVITED to the wedding feast / supper [/earthly MK age]" = those "guestS" having been invited to the wedding feast / supper (which is / will be on the earth, i.e. the earthly MK age), v.9--none of those folks [even the "saints"--the ones having accepted the "invitation"] ever lift off the earth, but are present on the earth upon His RETURN there








[2Cor11:2, Paul speaking, "For I am jealous as to you [corporate 'you'] with the jealousy of God. For I have betrothed you [corporate 'you'] to one husband, to present a pure/chaste virgin [singular] to Christ."]

[2Cor11:2, Paul speaking, "For I am jealous as to you [corporate 'you'] with the jealousy of God. For I have betrothed you [corporate 'you'] to one husband, to present a pure/chaste virgin [singular] to Christ."
Note: in Matt25:1-13, He is not coming for the purpose of "MARRYING" 10 or even 5 "virginS"--those pertain to "the wedding FEAST / SUPPER" commencing upon His RETURN to the earth--no "bride" in that passage either, just like other passages pertaining to the wedding feast / supper (earthly MK age)]



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Let the readers note the distinction between:

--"so shall we ever be WITH [G4862 - UNIONed-with] the Lord"

--"Those [FIVE virginS - PLURAL] who were ready went in with [G3326 - ACCOMPANYING] him to the wedding banquet, and the door was shut."

Again, the word "bride" or "wife" is a singular word, but when referring to the 'body of Christ' it refers to every believer.

Correct, there is no pre-trib rapture

"Man shall live by every word that proceeds out the mouth of God" - Matt 4:4

pre-trib rapture never came out of the mouth of God = not once

@FreeGrace2 ,

both "Bride / Wife" AND "BODY of Christ" are in the SINGULAR:


--BODY of Christ ("BODY [singular] of Christ") - 1Cor12:27 - https://biblehub.com/text/1_corinthians/12-27.htm
Eph 4:12 - https://biblehub.com/text/ephesians/4-12.htm


-- "BRIDE / WIFE [singular]" - Rev19:7 - https://biblehub.com/text/revelation/19-7.htm






Both terms (tho in the SINGULAR) refer to multiple believers, see.




[see also Eph5:23,27,30,32, "This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church"]


Slight of hand.

BOTH are in the SINGULAR, see.

The rapture is false doctrine. Ezekiel 13 will document this. Corinthians chapter 15. At the 7 th trump everyone is instantly changed from their flesh body to their spiritual body, this starts the millennium. Antichrist will arrive 6th trump, and Jesus arrives 7th trump. Amos chapter 5 will document some churches and denominations are teaching false doctrine. God will not bless that church or individual if they teach tradition of men, false doctrine. And I'm not knocking churches. Ephesians chapter 6. The gospel armour is knowledge and wisdom of God's word. Many people will be deceived by antichrist, they lack knowledge. The key past antichrist is ephesians chapter 6. Gospel armour!!.

FreeGrace2 said:

Again, the word "bride" or "wife" is a singular word, but when referring to the 'body of Christ' it refers to every believer.
Are you suggesting that the "Body of Christ" is just one person????

Get serious.

@FreeGrace2 said:

"Are you suggesting that the "Body of Christ" is just one person????"

NO.

Not any more than you are suggesting that the "singular Bride / Wife" is a just one person / woman. Hello! (pay attention, here )

Both words refer to a corporate entity expressed in the "singular".



("but when"... what? Your words here make it sound as though one of these is indeed a corporate entity whereas the other is not, but we know that this is not the case. You're a few cards short of a full hand, see... )

Ezekiel 13:20 is not saying what some suggest it is conveying. = )




Check out this old post of mine, covering this topic (in part)... a cpl of posts actually:

-- Post #661 - https://christianchat.com/threads/when-is-the-rapture-in-relationship-to-the-gt.187927/post-4087632

-- Post #663 (as follow-up) - https://christianchat.com/threads/when-is-the-rapture-in-relationship-to-the-gt.187927/post-4087646





[p.s. a study of the chronology of Revelation has the "6th Trumpet" taking place well-past the MID-point when there are 1260 days yet remaining... so the "6th Trumpet" event isn't even when the Antichrist / "man of sin" does the 2Th2:4 "sitteth in the temple of God" thing; again, that occurs well-before the "6th Trumpet" events]







By the way, welcome to CC ... I see you are NEW here.

Hope to see you around the boards. = )

You shall see Jesus coming with clouds, but you never look up to the sky. SAD.LoL.

But not me.

Of crouse, J
BTW, Jesus dead for us and raised first.
Very clearly.

Are you trying to make a point here? Since you are the one who noted the "bride" is in the singular. How is that significant?

Your posts make it look like you are confused.