How Many Requirements Exist

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God asks that all those who live in heaven be perfect, and no person has ever been perfect since Adam and Eve disobeyed. God made a way for humans to be perfect, God gave forgiveness of sin so through Christ our sin can be wiped out and we are then perfect.

To be forgiven, the Lord asks us to have faith in Christ and what Christ tells us. We must be a forgiver of others to ask Christ to forgive us. . If a person wants to keep a sin, and does not repent of that sin, Christ cannot forgive it but lets the person be imperfect with that sin.

Anyone who accepts the forgiveness with faith in Christ is accepted to live in heaven.
 
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RaceRunner said:
To get to Heaven?
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There are 2 ways to get to heaven:
1. Keep the law perfectly
2. Find someone Who has in your stead

Since the first is an impossibility for fallen man, might I suggest the second.
 
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Cameron143 said:
There are 2 ways to get to heaven:
1. Keep the law perfectly
2. Find someone Who has in your stead

Since the first is an impossibility for fallen man, might I suggest the second.
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Hebrews 10:26
For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27 but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries.
 
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RaceRunner said:
Hebrews 10:26
For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27 but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries.
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Right. If what Jesus has done isn't sufficient then nothing else will be.
 
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RaceRunner said:
Hebrews 10:26
For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27 but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries.
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In other words, if you don't choose #2 you are in big trouble because Jesus alone is the Way.
 
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Cameron143 said:
Right. If what Jesus has done isn't sufficient then nothing else will be.
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What Jesus has done isn't sufficient for those who claim to be "Born Again" but are actually "Heretics".
 
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What Jesus has done isn't sufficient for those who claim to be "Born Again" but are actually "Heretics".
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It's sufficient in that He has done all that is necessary. It is insufficient for them because they reject. And as there is no other means they are left with only a fearful expectation. It's a fearful thing to fall into the hands of an angry God.
 
Blik

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soberxp said:
Only one Requirement, Love others as yourself.
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Does this one requirement mean that the Lord does not mean it when he says: 6:14-15 , “For if you forgive others their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you, but if you do not forgive others their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.” ? Doe it mean Christ will forgive sins we do not repent of?
 
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Blik said:
Does this one requirement mean that the Lord does not mean it when he says: 6:14-15 , “For if you forgive others their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you, but if you do not forgive others their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.” ? Doe it mean Christ will forgive sins we do not repent of?
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Sure looks that way.
 
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Blik said:
Does this one requirement mean that the Lord does not mean it when he says: 6:14-15 , “For if you forgive others their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you, but if you do not forgive others their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.” ? Doe it mean Christ will forgive sins we do not repent of?
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I think I will answer your question like this. Sometimes we ourselves may become the people we hate. Maybe it is not for intentional reasons, or maybe it is for other reasons. So it is a light burden to forgive others,also God will also forgive us.
 
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Inquisitor said:
That is what the law says. Love others as you love yourself.

You left out Jesus Christ?
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I think Jesus Christ who's new name is Love others as you love yourself.
 
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Cameron143 said:
There are 2 ways to get to heaven:
1. Keep the law perfectly
2. Find someone Who has in your stead

Since the first is an impossibility for fallen man, might I suggest the second.
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I fully concur with your estimation.
 
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RaceRunner said:
To get to Heaven?
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Actually, Jesus makes it perfectly clear as to what requirements are necessary for salvation in the Gospel of Luke, the 'Parable of the Good Samaritan'.
“‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind and, ‘Love your neighbor as yourself........“DO THIS AND YOU SHALL LIVE."

It's odd that Jesus did not say, You shall be saved through 'faith alone'????????????
 
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Blik said:
God asks that all those who live in heaven be perfect, and no person has ever been perfect since Adam and Eve disobeyed. God made a way for humans to be perfect, God gave forgiveness of sin so through Christ our sin can be wiped out and we are then perfect.

To be forgiven, the Lord asks us to have faith in Christ and what Christ tells us. We must be a forgiver of others to ask Christ to forgive us. . If a person wants to keep a sin, and does not repent of that sin, Christ cannot forgive it but lets the person be imperfect with that sin.

Anyone who accepts the forgiveness with faith in Christ is accepted to live in heaven.
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Jesus was a sacrifice, to redeem those that God gave to him, as an offering to God, for God's acceptance, and not to mankind, for mankind's acceptance.
 
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soberxp said:
Only one Requirement, Love others as yourself.
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All of the qualities you have listed are products of the regenerated person, not products of the unregenerate. There are no requirements to get to heaven. It is by God's sovereign grace, without the help of mankind.
 
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