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i may further make known to you that i adhere to the Prophecy of our LORD Jesus Christ who says:
"O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those sent to her, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were unwilling! Look, your house is left to you desolate.For I tell you that you will not see Me again until you say, ‘Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord.’"
"O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those sent to her, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were unwilling! Look, your house is left to you desolate.For I tell you that you will not see Me again until you say, ‘Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord.’"
You're a good man for taking this on. I love reading these texts, but as said, God just hasn't opened my mind to Eschatology and I haven't done anything to learn of it. If I knew that I could live until I was 160 years old, then I'd study eschatology, but I may not live beyond tomorrow, so the Lord has impressed into me that I should understand the Gospel and Mysterious Plan of the Lord. God has given me one area that I am to understand, and it is how physical circumcision relates to Spiritual Circumcision. The entire Bible revolves around Spiritual Circumcision . . . even Eschatology. Those who are Righteous and Holy are those who have received the Circumcision of Christ. Those who are not Holy have not received the Circumcision of Christ and the remain held captive to the Devil (TO DO hIS WILL!) So even moving into the writings of Revelation, context can be gleaned by always processing them through Colossians 2:9-15.
Colossians 2:9-15 NLT - "For in Christ lives all the fullness of God in a human body. 10 So you also are complete through your union with Christ, who is the head over every ruler and authority. 11 When you came to Christ, you were "circumcised," but not by a physical procedure. Christ performed a spiritual circumcision--the cutting away of your sinful nature. 12 For you were buried with Christ when you were baptized. And with him you were raised to new life because you trusted the mighty power of God, who raised Christ from the dead. 13 You were dead because of your sins and because your sinful nature was not yet cut away. Then God made you alive with Christ, for he forgave all our sins. 14 He canceled the record of the charges against us and took it away by nailing it to the cross. 15 In this way, he disarmed the spiritual rulers and authorities. He shamed them publicly by his victory over them on the cross."
This is what is important to me, that people learn about Colossians 2:9-15. For some rather interesting set of reasons, pastors simply to not want to address the Seven perfect verses. Yes, seven of them. I recommend that all people memorize these incredible passages and watch their life change (from the Power of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit . . . and not of thy self). If a person would just take the time to process all Scripture through Colossians 2:9-15, they just might be shocked over how their perspective and perception of the Bible has changed.
So, and unfortunately, your amazing questions are beyond my comprehension. I haven't studied the Bible with the intention of answering any questions that deal with Eschatology. I know . . . it perplexes me too, but God is in control over my life and for whatever reason, He has chosen me to travel a specific path, and it appears that He has done the same thing with you. Therefore, I will depend upon the Body of Christ, which is you, and that you would possess the knowledge about these things so that you might instruct us, or at least me.
Ok . . . wow . . . good to know this! Much respect to you. Expect my support in the future.
Colossians 2:9-15 NLT - "For in Christ lives all the fullness of God in a human body. 10 So you also are complete through your union with Christ, who is the head over every ruler and authority. 11 When you came to Christ, you were "circumcised," but not by a physical procedure. Christ performed a spiritual circumcision--the cutting away of your sinful nature. 12 For you were buried with Christ when you were baptized. And with him you were raised to new life because you trusted the mighty power of God, who raised Christ from the dead. 13 You were dead because of your sins and because your sinful nature was not yet cut away. Then God made you alive with Christ, for he forgave all our sins. 14 He canceled the record of the charges against us and took it away by nailing it to the cross. 15 In this way, he disarmed the spiritual rulers and authorities. He shamed them publicly by his victory over them on the cross."
This is what is important to me, that people learn about Colossians 2:9-15. For some rather interesting set of reasons, pastors simply to not want to address the Seven perfect verses. Yes, seven of them. I recommend that all people memorize these incredible passages and watch their life change (from the Power of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit . . . and not of thy self). If a person would just take the time to process all Scripture through Colossians 2:9-15, they just might be shocked over how their perspective and perception of the Bible has changed.
So, and unfortunately, your amazing questions are beyond my comprehension. I haven't studied the Bible with the intention of answering any questions that deal with Eschatology. I know . . . it perplexes me too, but God is in control over my life and for whatever reason, He has chosen me to travel a specific path, and it appears that He has done the same thing with you. Therefore, I will depend upon the Body of Christ, which is you, and that you would possess the knowledge about these things so that you might instruct us, or at least me.
Ok . . . wow . . . good to know this! Much respect to you. Expect my support in the future.
I believe Col 2 in the same manner that you have expressed it. I do believe that all scriptures are inspired by God, as if he wrote them himself, and that they must all harmonize with one another before we are able to see the truths contained in the doctrine of Jesus.
Those that have had the circumcision of their heart are referenced in 2 Cor 3:3 - Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God, not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart. Ezk 11:19 - And I will give them one heart, and I will put a new spirit within you, and I will take the stone heart out of their flesh, and I will give them an heart of flesh.
This all comes when God's sovereign grace quickens a person to the new spiritual life (Epg 2:1-5). And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins; Wherein in times past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience. Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past, in the lust of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh, and mind of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others. But God who is rich in mercy, for his great love, wherewith he loved us, even when we were dead in sins, hath he quickened us together with Christ (by grace ye are saved).
My God bless you in your studies.
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Take your time. = )
While you're pondering your answer to that question, consider the following question as well:
Do you believe that when Jesus told "the 12" that when He comes to sit in the throne of His glory, that they also would "sit on 12 thrones, judgING the 12 tribes of Israel" (Matt19:28 and Lk22:30), that what He really meant [in your viewpoint] was that they would sit on 12 thrones "judgING 'the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY'..." ?? (as in, the two phrases I bolded are interchangeable??)
Matthew 19:28 -
"Jesus said to them, "Truly I tell you, in the renewal of all things, when the Son of Man sits on His glorious throne [see Mt25:31-34 for its TIMING], you who have followed Me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel."
Luke 22:28-30 -
28Now you are those having remained with Me in My trials. 29 And I appoint to you a kingdom, as My Father appointed to Me, 30 so that you may eat and may drink at My table in My kingdom, and may sit on thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
Are you suggesting that the phrase in BLUE ^ could just as rightly be translated [ / interpreted] as "the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY" that they (the 12) will be sitting on 12 thrones "judgING"??
You're a good man for taking this on. I love reading these texts, but as said, God just hasn't opened my mind to Eschatology and I haven't done anything to learn of it. If I knew that I could live until I was 160 years old, then I'd study eschatology, but I may not live beyond tomorrow, so the Lord has impressed into me that I should understand the Gospel and Mysterious Plan of the Lord. God has given me one area that I am to understand, and it is how physical circumcision relates to Spiritual Circumcision. The entire Bible revolves around Spiritual Circumcision . . . even Eschatology. Those who are Righteous and Holy are those who have received the Circumcision of Christ. Those who are not Holy have not received the Circumcision of Christ and the remain held captive to the Devil (TO DO hIS WILL!) So even moving into the writings of Revelation, context can be gleaned by always processing them through Colossians 2:9-15.
Colossians 2:9-15 NLT - "For in Christ lives all the fullness of God in a human body. 10 So you also are complete through your union with Christ, who is the head over every ruler and authority. 11 When you came to Christ, you were "circumcised," but not by a physical procedure. Christ performed a spiritual circumcision--the cutting away of your sinful nature. 12 For you were buried with Christ when you were baptized. And with him you were raised to new life because you trusted the mighty power of God, who raised Christ from the dead. 13 You were dead because of your sins and because your sinful nature was not yet cut away. Then God made you alive with Christ, for he forgave all our sins. 14 He canceled the record of the charges against us and took it away by nailing it to the cross. 15 In this way, he disarmed the spiritual rulers and authorities. He shamed them publicly by his victory over them on the cross."
This is what is important to me, that people learn about Colossians 2:9-15. For some rather interesting set of reasons, pastors simply to not want to address the Seven perfect verses. Yes, seven of them. I recommend that all people memorize these incredible passages and watch their life change (from the Power of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit . . . and not of thy self). If a person would just take the time to process all Scripture through Colossians 2:9-15, they just might be shocked over how their perspective and perception of the Bible has changed.
So, and unfortunately, your amazing questions are beyond my comprehension. I haven't studied the Bible with the intention of answering any questions that deal with Eschatology. I know . . . it perplexes me too, but God is in control over my life and for whatever reason, He has chosen me to travel a specific path, and it appears that He has done the same thing with you. Therefore, I will depend upon the Body of Christ, which is you, and that you would possess the knowledge about these things so that you might instruct us, or at least me.
Ok . . . wow . . . good to know this! Much respect to you. Expect my support in the future.
Colossians 2:9-15 NLT - "For in Christ lives all the fullness of God in a human body. 10 So you also are complete through your union with Christ, who is the head over every ruler and authority. 11 When you came to Christ, you were "circumcised," but not by a physical procedure. Christ performed a spiritual circumcision--the cutting away of your sinful nature. 12 For you were buried with Christ when you were baptized. And with him you were raised to new life because you trusted the mighty power of God, who raised Christ from the dead. 13 You were dead because of your sins and because your sinful nature was not yet cut away. Then God made you alive with Christ, for he forgave all our sins. 14 He canceled the record of the charges against us and took it away by nailing it to the cross. 15 In this way, he disarmed the spiritual rulers and authorities. He shamed them publicly by his victory over them on the cross."
This is what is important to me, that people learn about Colossians 2:9-15. For some rather interesting set of reasons, pastors simply to not want to address the Seven perfect verses. Yes, seven of them. I recommend that all people memorize these incredible passages and watch their life change (from the Power of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit . . . and not of thy self). If a person would just take the time to process all Scripture through Colossians 2:9-15, they just might be shocked over how their perspective and perception of the Bible has changed.
So, and unfortunately, your amazing questions are beyond my comprehension. I haven't studied the Bible with the intention of answering any questions that deal with Eschatology. I know . . . it perplexes me too, but God is in control over my life and for whatever reason, He has chosen me to travel a specific path, and it appears that He has done the same thing with you. Therefore, I will depend upon the Body of Christ, which is you, and that you would possess the knowledge about these things so that you might instruct us, or at least me.
Ok . . . wow . . . good to know this! Much respect to you. Expect my support in the future.
And above all things never give in to the temptation to add or take away from God's words.
Peace and Blessing to you my Brother
Another question for you, DavidTree, to add to the others you'll be pondering :
in what you say above ^ , are you suggesting (in your viewpoint) that the "seals, trumpets, vials" are about to conclude, "as we are approaching the final minutes of the last hour" as you put it (whatever that means, exactly, from your perspective) ... ?? ( )
I'm kinda scratching my head, given your "post-trib" viewpoint and all... Care to elaborate?
If not, that's perfectly fine too... no need to respond if you don't care to.
I'll just keep what you've stated, in mind, as we discuss other things (whenever...). Thanks. = )
[reminder to the readers: Lk21:24 / Rev11:2 "trodden down"... UNTIL the TIMES of the Gentiles be fulfilled... at END of TRIB / at His Second Coming to the earth Rev19]
:in what you say above ^ , are you suggesting (in your viewpoint) that the "seals, trumpets, vials" are about to conclude, "as we are approaching the final minutes of the last hour" as you put it (whatever that means, exactly, from your perspective) ... ?? (
)I'm kinda scratching my head, given your "post-trib" viewpoint and all... Care to elaborate?
If not, that's perfectly fine too... no need to respond if you don't care to.
I'll just keep what you've stated, in mind, as we discuss other things (whenever...). Thanks. = )
[reminder to the readers: Lk21:24 / Rev11:2 "trodden down"... UNTIL the TIMES of the Gentiles be fulfilled... at END of TRIB / at His Second Coming to the earth Rev19]
You said: "Scripture references judgement upon the earth being withheld until 144,000 of the 12 tribes of Israel are sealed for their protection. (Rev 7:2-4) Whereas Christians are sealed with the Holy Ghost as the result of having received their spiritual rebirth. (2 Cor. 1:22, Eph. 1:13)
Are you unable to see what you wrote here?
Another question for you, DavidTree, to add to the others you'll be pondering :
in what you say above ^ , are you suggesting (in your viewpoint) that the "seals, trumpets, vials" are about to conclude, "as we are approaching the final minutes of the last hour" as you put it (whatever that means, exactly, from your perspective) ... ??
I'm kinda scratching my head, given your "post-trib" viewpoint and all... Care to elaborate?
If not, that's perfectly fine too... no need to respond if you don't care to.
I'll just keep what you've stated, in mind, as we discuss other things (whenever...). Thanks. = )
:in what you say above ^ , are you suggesting (in your viewpoint) that the "seals, trumpets, vials" are about to conclude, "as we are approaching the final minutes of the last hour" as you put it (whatever that means, exactly, from your perspective) ... ??
I'm kinda scratching my head, given your "post-trib" viewpoint and all... Care to elaborate?
If not, that's perfectly fine too... no need to respond if you don't care to.
I'll just keep what you've stated, in mind, as we discuss other things (whenever...). Thanks. = )
Revelation is written in code via symbolism, literal, repetitive, multiple look-see
i do not profess to understand all but enough to SEE the harmony that the LORD has recorded for us so that we may have Rest and Peace in His Word = the Holy Scriptures.
I had added to my post after you grabbed it / quoted...
so I added the following:
... as an important aspect to add to the pondering thing... = )
(in addition to other RELATED passages I noted in the post I made to another poster, Wansvic, on that point [re: "the TIMES of the Gentiles" and when it concludes... Dan2:34-35 for example...])
so I added the following:
... as an important aspect to add to the pondering thing... = )
(in addition to other RELATED passages I noted in the post I made to another poster, Wansvic, on that point [re: "the TIMES of the Gentiles" and when it concludes... Dan2:34-35 for example...])
Adonai Yeshu HaMoshiach = LORD Jesus Christ
The 12 Apostles will be judging the "twelve tribes of Israel" just as our LORD said.
The question is: Who are the twelve tribes of Israel that our Lord is referring too.
Are they only the Jews of the flesh or, as in this case, much more???
The answer has already been given by our LORD and the Holy Spirit who spoke thru the words and writings that make up the NT Scriptures as well as some OT Scriptures.
Here is part of the answer given to us by the Holy Spirit = Post #123
The 12 Apostles will be judging the "twelve tribes of Israel" just as our LORD said.
The question is: Who are the twelve tribes of Israel that our Lord is referring too.
Are they only the Jews of the flesh or, as in this case, much more???
The answer has already been given by our LORD and the Holy Spirit who spoke thru the words and writings that make up the NT Scriptures as well as some OT Scriptures.
Here is part of the answer given to us by the Holy Spirit = Post #123
Okay ^ @DavidTree ...
You realize that Paul, in Romans 9:6, refers to both Israel the whole and believing Israel within the whole of Israel (and that he's not speaking at all of Gentiles having come to faith, in this verse)...?
Consider the following quote from an article I've posted several times in the past:
[quoting from old post]
"[re: Rom9:6] Paul draws a contrast of two Israels: Israel the whole, and believing Israel within Israel the whole. Both Israels comprise Jews only. While some Covenant Theologians wish to make the believing Israel the Church, other Covenant Theologians agree that this verse contrasts Jews who believe and Jews who do not. "
[end quoting from old post; bold and underline emphasis mine]
-- The Israel of God, the term "Israel" in the New Testament (middletownbiblechurch.org)
quoting further (regarding ALL 73x the term "Israel" is used in the NT), at same LINK:
"The term “Israel” is either used of the nation or the people as a whole, or of the believing remnant within. It is never used of the Church in general or of Gentile believers in particular."
[bold emphasis mine]
Something else to "examine in Scripture" to see if these things are indeed so...
You realize that Paul, in Romans 9:6, refers to both Israel the whole and believing Israel within the whole of Israel (and that he's not speaking at all of Gentiles having come to faith, in this verse)...?
Consider the following quote from an article I've posted several times in the past:
[quoting from old post]
"[re: Rom9:6] Paul draws a contrast of two Israels: Israel the whole, and believing Israel within Israel the whole. Both Israels comprise Jews only. While some Covenant Theologians wish to make the believing Israel the Church, other Covenant Theologians agree that this verse contrasts Jews who believe and Jews who do not. "
[end quoting from old post; bold and underline emphasis mine]
-- The Israel of God, the term "Israel" in the New Testament (middletownbiblechurch.org)
quoting further (regarding ALL 73x the term "Israel" is used in the NT), at same LINK:
"The term “Israel” is either used of the nation or the people as a whole, or of the believing remnant within. It is never used of the Church in general or of Gentile believers in particular."
[bold emphasis mine]
Something else to "examine in Scripture" to see if these things are indeed so...
Okay ^ @DavidTree ...
You realize that Paul, in Romans 9:6, refers to both Israel the whole and believing Israel within the whole of Israel (and that he's not speaking at all of Gentiles having come to faith, in this verse)...?
Consider the following quote from an article I've posted several times in the past:
[quoting from old post]
"[re: Rom9:6] Paul draws a contrast of two Israels: Israel the whole, and believing Israel within Israel the whole. Both Israels comprise Jews only. While some Covenant Theologians wish to make the believing Israel the Church, other Covenant Theologians agree that this verse contrasts Jews who believe and Jews who do not. "
[end quoting from old post]
-- The Israel of God, the term "Israel" in the New Testament (middletownbiblechurch.org)
quoting further (regarding ALL 73x the term "Israel" is used in the NT), at same LINK:
"The term “Israel” is either used of the nation or the people as a whole, or of the believing remnant within. It is never used of the Church in general or of Gentile believers in particular."
[bold emphasis mine]
Something else to "examine in Scripture" to see if these things are indeed so...
You realize that Paul, in Romans 9:6, refers to both Israel the whole and believing Israel within the whole of Israel (and that he's not speaking at all of Gentiles having come to faith, in this verse)...?
Consider the following quote from an article I've posted several times in the past:
[quoting from old post]
"[re: Rom9:6] Paul draws a contrast of two Israels: Israel the whole, and believing Israel within Israel the whole. Both Israels comprise Jews only. While some Covenant Theologians wish to make the believing Israel the Church, other Covenant Theologians agree that this verse contrasts Jews who believe and Jews who do not. "
[end quoting from old post]
-- The Israel of God, the term "Israel" in the New Testament (middletownbiblechurch.org)
quoting further (regarding ALL 73x the term "Israel" is used in the NT), at same LINK:
"The term “Israel” is either used of the nation or the people as a whole, or of the believing remnant within. It is never used of the Church in general or of Gentile believers in particular."
[bold emphasis mine]
Something else to "examine in Scripture" to see if these things are indeed so...
Post #123 has the Validated Truth from the scriptures on this = "They are not all Israel who are of Israel"
There are two Israels:
a) of the flesh
b) of the Spirit
The Holy Spirit and the Gospel make it CLEAR & FIRM that Jew & Gentile in Christ are the Spiritual Israel of God = Born of Promise thru the Holy Spirit.