Struggling reading through romans 8 & 9 and Calvinism.

uhhh, it clearly states 144,000...not figurative...literal

It clearly states that we are sheep...baa

So are you saying that Christ was a sacrifice to the Father for the acceptance of those that the Father chooses ( that the Father gave to Him )?

This scripture references "the world of believers".

There is a world that God loves, it is the world that he chastens.(Heb 12:6-7) (Heb 12:11)

There is a world that God does not love; and he does not chasten; (Psalms 73)

John 14:17 - Even the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive.

John 15:18-19 - If the world hat you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you. If ye were of the world, the world would love his own, but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen ye out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.

John 17:9 - I pray for them, I pray not for the world, but for them thou hast given me, for they are thine.

God choose an elect people before the foundation of the world (Eph 1:4). Romans 9:11 is written to "show that his election might stand"

Rom 9:23-24 - And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he hath before prepared unto glory, even us whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles.

Are you quoting from yourself, or from scripture, if from scripture, then list them.

CalvinISM is nothing more than just another "ISM" like ArminianISM, or MormonISM, or CatholicISM. just READ THE BIBLE, and allow the Holy Spirit to give you wisdom if you really want it.

It is you that is trying to make a joke of the cross. Christ did not die for all mankind, only for those that his Father gave to him (John 6:39) (John 10:27-29).

Christ's death on the cross was a sacrifice to God, for God's acceptance, and not to mankind, for mankind's acceptance. What happened on the cross was a total cleansing from their sins. No buts, no if's.

From Paul's letter to Timothy...

3 This is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, 4 who wants all people to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus, 6 who gave Himself as a ransom for all,

Pretty plain...

1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

That’s true for anyone who chooses to believe the Gospel. Salvation is available to anyone.

I have, several times. You don’t believe them as they are written, but spin them to fit with Calvinism.

There are plenty of people in the Bible, and in life today, who did and do search for God.

There is a deliverance (salvation) that the born again children of God receive, here in time, when they come unto the knowledge of the truth (Rom 10:1-3) The "all men" in 1 Tim 2:4, is the same as "the world of believers" in John 3:16.

In 2 Pet 3:9, we have to go back to 2 Pet 1:1 to find out who Peter is addressing his statement to, and that is to them that have obtained like precious faith. Peter is warning them to repent when they commit a sin so that they would not stay separated from God's fellowship. Perish=death=separation Peter even includes himself in his warning by using the word "usward".

Yes. In harmony with all of the other scriptures, that is my understanding, with the revelation of the Holy Spirit.

God choose them before the foundation of the world (Eph 1:4), and predetermined that Christ would "clean them up" on the cross, suitable to be adopted as his children..(Eph 1:5). The final phase of that adoption will be when Jesus comes again, at the last day, to gather his elect.

Is not the title of this forum "Bible discussion forum"? So, let's discuss scripture. All scripture must harmonize in order to glean the truth of Jesus doctrine.

John 3:16 does not say “world of believers.” You’re changing the Bible to fit your theology.

The only people, back then, and now, that will search for knowledge of God, are those that have been quickened by God to the new spiritual life, with the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.

It never goes anywhere. Nobody ever changes their mind. You’re convinced Calvinism is true, and you’re not going to see it any other way.

So according to you people who never heard the Gospel know God nonetheless. Seems like God’s grace is sufficient for such people.

To borrow a line from you, I don’t respond to posts that don’t contain scripture backing your statements.

It was God's sovereign will that the PROMISE will follow from a strict, chosen, Jewish, bloodline.

If you do not understand the bloodline please read Luke 3:23.
Jewish conversion to Jesus Christ and the sanctification that the Holy Spirit endows. Correct but Paul is still tracing the bloodline of the chosen Jewish lineage. May I say that many in Israel are of Israel. Read the genealogy given in Luke 3. There is a very long list of Jewish names given in that bloodline, God chose that specific bloodline for a purpose. True but Sarah will have a son. God bound everyone over to disobedience so that He can have mercy on them all. (Romans 11:32) Your trying to undermine the genealogy of the Christ, the promised one.

You also cannot accept that God chose the Jews, Jerusalem, and Israel.

I do not fixate, I cover all of the letter to the Romans.