Struggling reading through romans 8 & 9 and Calvinism.

I have searched, and I can not find in the KJV where it says "past sins", can you help me?

We all start life as sinners. When a sinner chooses to be cleansed by the blood of Jesus, he then then begins to abide in the Vine as a saint. So long as he continues to do so, he remains a saint. Saints are not perfect, but they are penitent. The need for repentance does not end when we are saved. If the saint returns to the vomit and abides therein, he returns to his former state and status... or even worse:

2 PETER 2:
20For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
21For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
22But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

HEBREWS 6:
4For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, 5And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, 6If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

Romans 3:25
“Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;”

Faith in Christ is a work and is solely from/by God.

[Jhn 6:28-29 KJV]
28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?
29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

I agree that this is a reference to two groups of people. Depicting God's elect from those that are not his elect, showing that his election might stand. God changed Jacob's name to be called Israel. The house of Jacob/Israel is representative of God's elect that includes those from every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation.

It is impossible as "natural man" to do so of ourselves. First, we must be unblinded through becoming saved/born again, and then, by the fruit of the Spirit, given faith.

[Gal 5:22 KJV]
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,

[2Co 4:3-4 KJV]
3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

i could read any verse and. It come to your conclusions though is the thing you talking about the “ spiritual things” yet you have no understanding of what’s th at means and what Paul’s talking about

“It is the spirit that quickeneth;

the flesh profiteth nothing:

the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. But there are some of you that believe not.

From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.


Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away? Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭6:63-64, 66-68‬ ‭KJV‬‬


That’s where the spirit is discerned when you accept the words of God. This is what happens en you don’t reject the word of God

Your simply unable to hear it paul is writing to people who accepted the gospel already hearing and learning from the Lords word

so things like this you aren’t able to even hear what Paul’s saying because you won’t accept what Jesus said in the gospel

“But ye have not so learned Christ; if so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus:

that ye put off ( somethkng you do) concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts; ( that’s who can’t accept the spiritual word of God when we won’t do that )

and be renewed in the spirit of your mind; ( that’s why we need to accept the word of spirit and life that God spoke in the gospel which leads here )

and that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.

Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbour: for we are members one of another. Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath: neither give place to the devil. ( something we do when we refuse to repent )

Let him that stole steal no more: ( repent ) but rather let him labour, working with his hands the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that needeth. ( charity )

Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, ( something we’re capable of doing ) but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers. ( when you hear the gospel your receiving grace )

And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption. ( Gods with you don’t grieve the holy spirit see genesis chapter six of how man does that and what results )

Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice: ( don’t do those things )

and be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.”( do these things )
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭4:20-32‬ ‭KJV‬‬

but your not able to hear it so you remove any and all context and make some really ridiculous arguments which are mimicking the hypergrace fiasco

I’m convinced your not even interested in the scripture but just going in circles to avoid everything it has to say in order to argue and debate that it doesn’t really say what it says

at he natural man ( the old corrupt man ) can’t accept Gods spiritual words( and Rene’s his mind ) it’s foolishness to him that he is changed into the new man who accepts thy spiritual things d doesn’t reject them

He doesn’t avoid the truth at all cost to preserve the fable that the term “grace “ erases everything else God had to say and told us to believe and follow after

If you are the “spiritual man “ who gets it why would t you accept thy e word of spirit and life that quickens ( makes alive and active ) people ?

the natural man will say this is foolishness I don’t need to accept his word

“It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭6:63‬ ‭KJV‬

Only the foolish man will reject his word and create some other judgement

“For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:22, 24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

That is a small example of a spiritual mind and where it comes from and also how one remains the natural
Man that finds it all foolishness he’s the one who’s arguing against God d what he said will give eternal life

i don’t see any reason to keep discussing with you were talking about two different things your arguing for Joseph prince devotional and books , I’m here to discuss the Bible and what thy scriptures do have to say because they came from the spirit

“God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.”
‭‭John‬ ‭4:24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

In spirit

“It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭6:63‬ ‭KJV‬‬

And truth

“Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.”
‭‭John‬ ‭18:37‬ ‭KJV‬‬

you’ve exhausted me so I’m going to move on to people here to discuss the Bible and listen to what they are saying d respond to that I really have no interest in the hypergrace doctrine and no devotional arguments like you he’s bent on removing Jesus Christ and his words from salvation I hope that works out for you or that you eventually hear what Jesus had to say out salvetion

Could this world in John 3:16, be the same world that is depicted in the following verses?

I know that the scriptures do not contradict each other, so, what do you do with John 10:28-29?

What scripture says a sinner chooses to be cleansed by the blood of Jesus.?

Im not good with institutional labels so I’m nOt positive what a dispensationalist is I apologize

But yes his sacrifice is sufficient to cover all sin for all time , he just doesn’t force people to accept his covenant word and blood he gives us the choice by sending the gospel out among us all

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.( because it can save them all )

He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;

but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

he died for us all and he spoke to us all

Don't think that's possible. The knowledge is exclusively the knowledge of salvation, given freely with/by the remission of sin through Christ, but is only to those whom He had so chosen for it ("unto his people").

[Luk 1:77 KJV]
77 To give knowledge of salvation unto his people by the remission of their sins,

[1Co 2:12-14 KJV]
12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned.

Death=separation. When we commit a sin, we separate ourselves from our fellowship with God, temporary, until we repent, which does not separate us from our eternal inheritance, which was promised to us on the cross.


Um , you saying if we have no relationship with god were still his hiers his children ? Comon man your working too hard to reject everything by explaining it all away with ridiculous logic

aid you were able to hear Paul’s letters you would know what disqualifies from the inheritance he spoke of in the same letter

“But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints; neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks. For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.

Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience. Be not ye therefore partakers with them.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭5:3-7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

your telling me that the children of disobedience they are going to inherit salvation along with Gods children ? Who apparently if you make a mistake bekng his child lol he disowns you until you perfect yourself again ? It’s not as if Paul was unclear right he said it repeatedly

“Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭5:19-

of your going to advocate that there’s another seperate inheritance maybe ? That’s pretty odd because the children are the only hiers to the father who gives all his possessions to them he’s the king and his children inherit his kingdom

You need to read a whole epistle and not selectively find grace verses out of context omitting anything that you don’t want to hear and exalting only what you think already from reading too many “gospel of grace “ books

Gods kingdom is the eternal creation ahead of we don’t inherit the kingdom we aren’t going to be too pleased with what we do receive for inheritance

a really all you need to do is let it all in but some folks won’t do that we’re all free to choose

“To give knowledge of salvation unto his people by the remission of their sins,”

lol yeah that’s what John a baptist did which is who that verse is speaking of

“And he asked for a writing table, and wrote, saying, His name is John. And they marvelled all. And his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Ghost, and prophesied, saying, And thou, child, shalt be called the prophet of the Highest: For thou shalt go before the face of the Lord to prepare his ways; To give knowledge of salvation unto his people By the remission of their sins,”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭1:63, 67, 76-77‬ ‭KJV‬‬

If you want to see thy being foretold look at Malachi 3 and hen mark 1

But your actually showing just what I was saying your ignoring what Jesus said will save you and trying to make it something else coming from your own mind you have to hear (accept and need as if he’s your lord )Jesus to be saved but it is a choice and your free to choose

No - it is speaking of Christ. It is saying that John would prepare the way for Christ who would give
the knowledge of salvation to His people by the forgiveness of their sin. You don't believe that it is Christ who alone brought forgiveness of sin? How did you ever misunderstand that verse so badly - that's scary? You should read more closely next time.

So..... you don't believe that Christ is the Saviour? You instead believe that Christ told us that we each are to be our own saviour?
Really?

No - it is speaking of Christ. It is saying that John would prepare the way for Christ”

“And his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Ghost, and prophesied, saying, And thou, child, shalt be called the prophet of the Highest: For thou shalt go before the face of the Lord to prepare his ways; To give knowledge of salvation unto his people By the remission of their sins,”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭1:67, 76-77‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And the child grew, and waxed strong in spirit, and was in the deserts till the day of his shewing unto Israel.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭1:80‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And John was clothed with camel's hair, and with a girdle of a skin about his loins; and he did eat locusts and wild honey;”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭1:6‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God; As it is written in the prophets, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, Which shall prepare thy way before thee.

…... John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭1:1-4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

johns ministry of repentance and remission of sins is what prepares a person to hear the gospel of the kingdom.

thats johns dad prophesying about johns Mission to prepare the people for Jesus who would begin to preach the gospel after johns ministry was preached which prepares a person to come to Jesus and hear the preaching of the gospel

“And it came to pass in those days, that Jesus came from Nazareth of Galilee, and was baptized of John in Jordan. And straightway coming up out of the water, he saw the heavens opened, and the Spirit like a dove descending upon him: and there came a voice from heaven, saying, Thou art my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
‭‭Mark‬ ‭1:9-12‬ ‭

a then Jesus began preaching the gospel because the people were all prepared to hear it by johns ministry of repentance and remission of sins

“Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, and saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭1:14-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

it doesn’t ever change after the cross it’s still about the same thing repentance and remission of sins in his name

“and said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. And ye are witnesses of these things.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭24:46-48‬ ‭

The process is the same for us

“Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, ( what John offered )

and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.”( what John said Jesus would give )
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2:38‬ ‭KJV‬‬

airs a project about John the Baptist it’s why I said you should read this wrotten 300 years before to understand that it was being fulfilled

“Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: ( John the Baptist )

and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: ( Jesus the lord ) behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts. But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:”
‭‭Malachi‬ ‭3:1-2‬ ‭KJV‬‬

It’s most definately about John and his ministry of repentance because repentance is essential to salvation if we don’t we’re going to perish repentance and remission of sins prepares us to hear the gospel and be born anew

“I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭13:3‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭3:9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

He doesn’t Will anyone to perish but is being patient and forebearing with us so we can hear the gospel and come to repentance and be saved through remission of our sins in Christs blood

“I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭5:32‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized ( for repentance and remission of sins ) shall be saved;

but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

John was always supposed to come and preach repentance and remission of sins and also speak of Christ who would come immediately after him

“So..... you don't believe that Christ is the Saviour? You instead believe that Christ told us that we each are to be our own saviour? “
Really?”

thats exactly what that hypergrace doctrine requires notice how afraid you are of this

“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

That hypergrace is teaching you to disregard The word of Jesus that’s promising you eternal life and leading you here

“He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.”
‭‭John‬ ‭12:48-50‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Don’t you see what you’re rejecting ? And how your insinuating if someone does happen to hear Jesus teachkngs th at promise eternal Life somehow they have chosen wrong and become “ thier own savior “

you know what causes that ?

“For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; and they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.”
‭‭2 Timothy‬ ‭4:3-4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

a they are trying to turn you away from what God said like this

“And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭2:16-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

That’s what God said to Adam to keep him safe and then the first false teacher came along

“And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: ( hes turning her ears from the truth so he explains why it’s not true ) for God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

(He’s turned thier mind against the truth ) And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, ( God told her it was death ) and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat. ( listening to the false teacher led them into sin and death )

So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭3:4-6, 24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

a that’s where that doctrine is from telling you you don’t really need to learn from Jesus your already saved and no matter what you do you’ll never perish”

a compare what Jesus says to what you say brother at that point it’s just a matter of knowing who he is and what he offers to you

So then faith is not a work.. God through Jesus did the Work on the cross.. That is who and what we have faith in..

NO. They gain knowledge BY the remission of their sins. In other words, sins have to be forgiven
to receive a correct knowledge of salvation- it is impossible to do so before that - sin has to be remitted first - it was not within John's power to remit anyone's sins. His ministry was only to PREPARE THE WAY for Christ- to baptize in water - not with the Holy Spirit - only Christ can do that. The "his" means that they belong to God not to John.

You don't understand "heareth". To "heareth" is in hearing spiritually, not physically. To hear spiritually, one must first
have been saved, given the Holy Spirit, and ears that hear spiritually. For example:

[Mat 13:16 KJV]
16 But blessed [are] your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear.

[Luk 14:35 KJV]
35 It is neither fit for the land, nor yet for the dunghill; [but] men cast it out. He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.

In the above verse, we are told that to hear, they must first have received ears that hear. They already had human ears, so those are not what Christ is talking about.

You don't understand "believeth". True belief/faih is given as a fruit of the Spirit by becoming born again.

[Gal 5:22 KJV]
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,

Both are God's work, not the recipient's , and yes, they will never taste death, not because of having those things,
but BECAUSE they were saved. Hearing and believing is a byproduct of salvation, not its cause.

Christ as Saviour doesn't give directions on how to become saved, instead, He actually does the saving in all ways possible -
those of the saved do nothing to gain it - it is a gift of God - otherwise, He wouldn't be the Saviour, we would be.
.
That was before the fall. As a result of the fall, everything changed. In sin, man became blind and dead to things spiritual and unable of himself to comprehend the gospel nor to extricate himself from that predicament. For it to change, the person must first be saved by God. We are informed below, that man's wisdom is unable to comprehend salvation.

[1Co 2:13-14 KJV]
13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned.

Christ doesn't "offer", He transforms.

[Jhn 6:37-39 KJV]
37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

One can only truly "learn from Jesus" AFTER becoming saved. The Holy Spirit indwelling to gain it.

[Eph 4:23 KJV] 23
And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;

[Rom 12:2 KJV]
2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what [is] that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

Yes, I believe the faith which brought salvation to us was a work accomplished solely by Christ and not by us - He was perfectly faithful and obedient to the Father. From that and fully as a gift to us, our faith in Him is given us, but being a byproduct of salvation, not cause. Its cause is simply that God chose us individually for salvation through Christ - nothing else.

[Gal 2:16 KJV]
16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Try a synonym of "past" such as previously.

Romans 3:25
This was to demonstrate His righteousness, because in God’s merciful restraint He let the sins previously (past sins) committed go unpunished.