Christ kept the Law of Moses, so....

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ResidentAlien

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The ten commandments were part of the law of Moses. When the law of Moses was replaced, so were the ten commandments. The ten commandments bring the knowledge of sin. Christ has set us free from sin to walk in newness of Spirit. This is only complicated for those who haven't figured out we're no longer under law.
 
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notonmywatch

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ResidentAlien said:
The ten commandments were part of the law of Moses. When the law of Moses was replaced, so were the ten commandments. The ten commandments bring the knowledge of sin. Christ has set us free from sin to walk in newness of Spirit. This is only complicated for those who haven't figured out we're no longer under law.
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So, you're free to have other gods before him, bow to idols, take his name in vain, etc., etc., etc?
 
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notonmywatch said:
So, you're free to have other gods before him, bow to idols, take his name in vain, etc., etc., etc?
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Yes, I'm as free as can be. However, I choose to walk after the Spirit of Christ. He's my guide, not the written code.
 
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ResidentAlien said:
The ten commandments were part of the law of Moses. When the law of Moses was replaced, so were the ten commandments. The ten commandments bring the knowledge of sin. Christ has set us free from sin to walk in newness of Spirit. This is only complicated for those who haven't figured out we're no longer under law.
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If what you claim is true, then why did Paul write this to the born again saints at Ephesus?

Ephesians 6
1Children, obey your parents in the Lord: for this is right. 2Honour thy father and mother; (which is the first commandment with promise) 3That it may be well with thee, and thou mayest live long on the earth.
 
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notonmywatch said:
If what you claim is true, then why did Paul write this to the born again saints at Ephesus?

Ephesians 6
1Children, obey your parents in the Lord: for this is right. 2Honour thy father and mother; (which is the first commandment with promise) 3That it may be well with thee, and thou mayest live long on the earth.
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I don't know. Why did he write it?
 
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Nehemiah6 said:
Seriously??? The words of the Bible are in fact the words of Jesus as well as those of the Holy Spirit. Does the Bible say that the Law of Moses has been abolished? Absolutely. So don't tell me I am presuming to correct the words of Christ. He came to fulfill the Law. He then fulfilled it. And He then ABOLISHED it. Read the epistle to the Hebrews.
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I very seriously am telling you this.

When you say Jesus fulfilling the law abolished the law you're willfully ignoring Jesus statement that he did not come to abolish the law.

You wilfully ignore Jesus not only reiterated the commandments, aka the law, he taught if we love him we will keep them.

Whatever your motive to contradict Jesus own words, that will be between you and God.

Jesus is to be believed. You are to be prayed for. 🙏 Abandon your Sophestry and repent.
What I and others think of it doesn't impact your soul. What God knows does.
 
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notonmywatch said:
I get your point, but this is a complicated matter to discuss. I say that because Paul, Peter, and James were all present at this meeting, and they all seemed to hold either themselves, or others, or both accountable to certain aspects of the law of Moses.

Paul:

Acts 23
1And Paul, earnestly beholding the council, said, Men and brethren, I have lived in all good conscience before God until this day. 2And the high priest Ananias commanded them that stood by him to smite him on the mouth. 3Then said Paul unto him, God shall smite thee, thou whited wall: for sittest thou to judge me after the law, and commandest me to be smitten contrary to the law? 4And they that stood by said, Revilest thou God's high priest? 5Then said Paul, I wist not, brethren, that he was the high priest: for it is written, Thou shalt not speak evil of the ruler of thy people.

The bold-faced part was written in Exodus 22:28, and Paul certainly seemed to still hold himself accountable to it after becoming a Christian himself.

Peter:

1 Peter 1
13Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ; 14As obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance: 15But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation; 16Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.

The bold-faced part was written in Leviticus 11:44-45 and 19:2, and Peter certainly seemed to be holding Christians accountable to it after becoming a Christian himself.

James:

James 2
8If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well: 9But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.

The bold-faced part was written in Leviticus 19:18, and James certainly seemed to be admonishing Christians to fulfill the royal law by keeping it after becoming a Christian himself.

There are other examples that I could give from the New Testament, but I hope that you understand the point that I'm trying to make.
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Seems that the apostles and the elders in Acts 15 were unanimous in agreement that keeping the law of Moses isn’t a requirement for non-Jews. They didn’t even hint that a jot or jittle of the Law was to be followed in the letter they wrote to them, but rather gave them some requirements not even found in the law of Moses as far as I know.

Acts 15
29You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things.

Farewell.
 
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Was this part of the law of Moses abolished?

Ephesians 5
31For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh. 32This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.

1 Corinthians 6
15Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them the members of an harlot? God forbid. 16What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh.

If it was, then why did Paul quote it to New Testament saints?

There are so many other examples that I could give. Like I said, this is a complicated matter to discuss.
 
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Artios1 said:
Can you prove that?
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I can provide supporting evidence. Whether you consider that evidence "proof" is up to you.

"In general, the person or party making an argument has the burden of proof to justify it (whether they argue that something is true or false). This applies, in particular, to situations where someone challenges a prevailing status quo or a well-established idea.

In a debate, the burden of proof lies typically with the person making a claim; the opposing side doesn’t have a burden of proof until evidence has been provided for the original argument. However, once the evidence has been provided, it’s up to the opposing side to show if the evidence is insufficient. If the opposing side argues that your claim is invalid, then, in turn, the burden of proof is on them to justify the disagreement." - Burden Of Proof Fallacy: Who Has The Burden of Proof and Why? - Fallacy In Logic
 
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Artios1 said:
For me... Truth (the Word of God) is the only thing that is unchangeable and would be the only thing for suitable for proof.
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Many things are unproveable by Scripture but are true nonetheless. Use the appropriate tool for the job.
 
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Seems that the apostles and the elders in Acts 15 were unanimous in agreement that keeping the law of Moses isn’t a requirement for non-Jews. They didn’t even hint that a jot or jittle of the Law was to be followed in the letter they wrote to them, but rather gave them some requirements not even found in the law of Moses as far as I know.

Acts 15
29You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things.

Farewell.
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When I first read your response, I thought that I had offended you and that you were telling me "farewell". Then I remembered that it was part of the text in Acts 15.

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Papermonkey said:
There's no law anymore then?
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Yes, certainly is; instead of Confusion, how about?:

"Simplicity In Christ!" - did you know?:

1Ti_1:9 "Knowing this, that the law is NOT made for a righteous man,
but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners,
for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of
mothers, for manslayers,

Thus:

1) in my UNrighteous state, the purpose of the law:

Gal_3:24 Wherefore the law WAS our schoolmaster
to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

2) In my righteous state, NOT under law, But, Under God's Grace:

Gal_3:25 But after that faith is come,
we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

3) In the New ''law of faith":

Rom 13:8-10 "Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he
that LOVETH another hath fulfilled the law. For this, Thou shalt not
commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt
not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet;

and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended
in this saying, namely, Thou shalt LOVE thy neighbour as thyself.
LOVE worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore

LOVE is the fulfilling of the law.

Gal_5:14 "For ALL the law is fulfilled in ONE Word,
even in this; Thou shalt LOVE thy neighbour as thyself."

Did I mention:

"Simplicity In Christ!" Causes no more law Confusion, Correct?
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Precious friends:

Grace, Peace, And JOY In Christ, And In His Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided (+ I and II)!
 
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ResidentAlien said:
Yes, I'm as free as can be. However, I choose to walk after the Spirit of Christ. He's my guide, not the written code.
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You’re free to have other gods before God but you’d be doing so at your own peril. Your own theology testifies to that.
 
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