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No, it is not a possibility, for two reasons. First of all because it had to be on FLAT TOP HILL or MOUNTAIN, with Bedrock close to the Surface with enough room to easily put the TEMPLE on BEDROCK. Approximately 180 Meters by 90 Meters, to have all the Meters and it all must fit on LEVEL BED ROCK.
Here is what that Mountain must have looked like BEFORE ORNAN and his Sons started to smooth it out into Threshing Floor Rings:
1 Chronicles 21:22-28 (HCSB)
22 Then David said to Ornan, “Give me this threshing-floor plot so that I may build an altar to the LORD on it. Give it to me for the full price, so the plague on the people may be stopped.”
23 Ornan said to David, “Take it! My lord the king may do whatever he wants. See, I give the oxen for the burnt offerings, the threshing sledges for the wood, and the wheat for the grain offering—I give it all.”
24 King David answered Ornan, “No, I insist on paying the full price, for I will not take for the LORD what belongs to you or offer burnt offerings that cost ⌊me⌋ nothing.”
25 So David gave Ornan 15 pounds of gold for the plot.
26 He built an altar to the LORD there and offered burnt offerings and fellowship offerings. He called on the LORD, and He answered him with fire from heaven on the altar of burnt offering.
27 Then the LORD spoke to the angel, and he put his sword back into its sheath.
28 At that time, David offered sacrifices there when he saw that the LORD answered him at the threshing floor of Ornan the Jebusite.
That is how I know it was a Bedrock Threshing Floor, because King David Paid a Premium Price for the Plot. Most People do not know that Mt. Moriah was NOT that name of a Single Peak, but the Name of the Entire Ridge all way down south to the Kidron Valley. Mt. Zion is the name of the Center Peak.
There is no verse that says "on the Highiest Hill is the TEMPLE", Nor that indicates Ornan was ever up there. But on the OPHEL there is quite a bit of Level ground. Mount Zion was torn down, because Prince Simon bar Kohbah, 132 AD, wanted to rebuild the Third Temple, and considered that the Temple to Jupiter that the Romans put up their, had defiled even the BEDROCK, so at least several feet down the Bedrock was REMOVED. But about the time of removing all the bedrock the was defiled, Prince Simon got killed by the Romans, in 135 AD.
Look at a Topographical map the shows the Bed Rock.
Here is Josephus talking about what it was like, walking about in the INWARD PARTS of Fortress Antonia:
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The inward parts had the largeness and form of a palace, it being parted into all kinds of rooms and other conveniences, such as courts, and places for bathing, and broad spaces for camps; insomuch that, by having all conveniences that cities wanted, it might seem to be composed of several cities, but by its magnificence it seemed a palace. And as the entire structure resembled that of a tower, it contained also four other distinct towers at its four corners; whereof the others were but fifty cubits high; whereas that which lay upon the southeast corner was seventy cubits high, that from thence the whole temple might be viewed; but on the corner where it joined to the two cloisters of the temple, it had passages down to them both, through which the guard (for there always lay in this tower a Roman legion) went several ways among the cloisters, with their arms, on the Jewish festivals, in order to watch the people, that they might not there attempt to make any innovations; for the temple was a fortress that guarded the city, as was the tower of Antonia a guard to the temple; and in that tower were the guards of those three (14). There was also a peculiar fortress belonging to the upper city, which was Herod's palace; but for the hill Bezetha, it was divided from the tower Antonia, as we have already told you; and as that hill on which the tower of Antonia stood was the highest of these three, so did it adjoin to the new city, and was the only place that hindered the sight of the temple on the north. And this shall suffice at present to have spoken about the city and the walls about it, because I have proposed to myself to make a more accurate description of it elsewhere.
https://www.biblestudytools.com/history/flavius-josephus/war-of-the-jews/book-5/chapter-5.html
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Here is what that Mountain must have looked like BEFORE ORNAN and his Sons started to smooth it out into Threshing Floor Rings:
1 Chronicles 21:22-28 (HCSB)
22 Then David said to Ornan, “Give me this threshing-floor plot so that I may build an altar to the LORD on it. Give it to me for the full price, so the plague on the people may be stopped.”
23 Ornan said to David, “Take it! My lord the king may do whatever he wants. See, I give the oxen for the burnt offerings, the threshing sledges for the wood, and the wheat for the grain offering—I give it all.”
24 King David answered Ornan, “No, I insist on paying the full price, for I will not take for the LORD what belongs to you or offer burnt offerings that cost ⌊me⌋ nothing.”
25 So David gave Ornan 15 pounds of gold for the plot.
26 He built an altar to the LORD there and offered burnt offerings and fellowship offerings. He called on the LORD, and He answered him with fire from heaven on the altar of burnt offering.
27 Then the LORD spoke to the angel, and he put his sword back into its sheath.
28 At that time, David offered sacrifices there when he saw that the LORD answered him at the threshing floor of Ornan the Jebusite.
That is how I know it was a Bedrock Threshing Floor, because King David Paid a Premium Price for the Plot. Most People do not know that Mt. Moriah was NOT that name of a Single Peak, but the Name of the Entire Ridge all way down south to the Kidron Valley. Mt. Zion is the name of the Center Peak.
There is no verse that says "on the Highiest Hill is the TEMPLE", Nor that indicates Ornan was ever up there. But on the OPHEL there is quite a bit of Level ground. Mount Zion was torn down, because Prince Simon bar Kohbah, 132 AD, wanted to rebuild the Third Temple, and considered that the Temple to Jupiter that the Romans put up their, had defiled even the BEDROCK, so at least several feet down the Bedrock was REMOVED. But about the time of removing all the bedrock the was defiled, Prince Simon got killed by the Romans, in 135 AD.
Look at a Topographical map the shows the Bed Rock.
Here is Josephus talking about what it was like, walking about in the INWARD PARTS of Fortress Antonia:
QUOTE:
The inward parts had the largeness and form of a palace, it being parted into all kinds of rooms and other conveniences, such as courts, and places for bathing, and broad spaces for camps; insomuch that, by having all conveniences that cities wanted, it might seem to be composed of several cities, but by its magnificence it seemed a palace. And as the entire structure resembled that of a tower, it contained also four other distinct towers at its four corners; whereof the others were but fifty cubits high; whereas that which lay upon the southeast corner was seventy cubits high, that from thence the whole temple might be viewed; but on the corner where it joined to the two cloisters of the temple, it had passages down to them both, through which the guard (for there always lay in this tower a Roman legion) went several ways among the cloisters, with their arms, on the Jewish festivals, in order to watch the people, that they might not there attempt to make any innovations; for the temple was a fortress that guarded the city, as was the tower of Antonia a guard to the temple; and in that tower were the guards of those three (14). There was also a peculiar fortress belonging to the upper city, which was Herod's palace; but for the hill Bezetha, it was divided from the tower Antonia, as we have already told you; and as that hill on which the tower of Antonia stood was the highest of these three, so did it adjoin to the new city, and was the only place that hindered the sight of the temple on the north. And this shall suffice at present to have spoken about the city and the walls about it, because I have proposed to myself to make a more accurate description of it elsewhere.
https://www.biblestudytools.com/history/flavius-josephus/war-of-the-jews/book-5/chapter-5.html
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I just now picked up on another interesting find. Now look for the Largest piece of flat GROUND you find on the map. It is not even half the ground needed to build a TEMPLE on:
Notice the Dark Pink rectangle that is not large enough. THEY PUT THREE CISTERNS IN THAT LOCATION, WHICH TELLS ME THAT NEVER WAS THE LOCATION OF THE TEMPLE, BECAUSE WATER FROM A CISTERN CANNOT BE USED IN THE TEMPLE. And it needs to be at least twice the size to be the Plot of land that King David bought from Ornan.
Notice the Dark Pink rectangle that is not large enough. THEY PUT THREE CISTERNS IN THAT LOCATION, WHICH TELLS ME THAT NEVER WAS THE LOCATION OF THE TEMPLE, BECAUSE WATER FROM A CISTERN CANNOT BE USED IN THE TEMPLE. And it needs to be at least twice the size to be the Plot of land that King David bought from Ornan.
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1 Chronicles 21:9 (HCSB)
9 Then the LORD instructed Gad, David’s seer,
1 Chronicles 21:15-30 (HCSB)
15 Then God sent an angel to Jerusalem to destroy it, but when the angel was about to destroy the city, the LORD looked, relented concerning the destruction, and said to the angel who was destroying ⌊the people⌋, “Enough, withdraw your hand now!” The angel of the LORD was then standing at the threshing floor of Ornan the Jebusite.
16 When David looked up and saw the angel of the LORD standing between earth and heaven, with his drawn sword in his hand stretched out over Jerusalem, David and the elders, clothed in sackcloth, fell down with their faces ⌊to the ground⌋.
17 David said to God, “Wasn’t I the one who gave the order to count the people? I am the one who has sinned and acted very wickedly. But these sheep, what have they done? My LORD God, please let Your hand be against me and against my father’s family, but don’t let the plague be against Your people.”
18 So the angel of the LORD ordered Gad to tell David to go and set up an altar to the LORD on the threshing floor of Ornan the Jebusite.
19 David went up at Gad’s command spoken in the name of the LORD.
20 Ornan was threshing wheat when he turned and saw the angel. His four sons, who were with him, hid themselves.
21 David came to Ornan, and when Ornan looked and saw David, he left the threshing floor and bowed to David with his face to the ground.
22 Then David said to Ornan, “Give me this threshing-floor plot so that I may build an altar to the LORD on it. Give it to me for the full price, so the plague on the people may be stopped.”
23 Ornan said to David, “Take it! My lord the king may do whatever he wants. See, I give the oxen for the burnt offerings, the threshing sledges for the wood, and the wheat for the grain offering—I give it all.”
24 King David answered Ornan, “No, I insist on paying the full price, for I will not take for the LORD what belongs to you or offer burnt offerings that cost ⌊me⌋ nothing.”
25 So David gave Ornan 15 pounds of gold for the plot.
26 He built an altar to the LORD there and offered burnt offerings and fellowship offerings. He called on the LORD, and He answered him with fire from heaven on the altar of burnt offering.
27 Then the LORD spoke to the angel, and he put his sword back into its sheath.
28 At that time, David offered sacrifices there when he saw that the LORD answered him at the threshing floor of Ornan the Jebusite.
29 The tabernacle of the LORD, which Moses made in the desert, and the altar of burnt offering were at the high place in Gibeon,
30 but David could not go before it to inquire of God, because he was terrified of the sword of the LORD’s angel.
That may have been the Place in the Givati Parking Lot Dig where David saw the Angel's feet, verse 15 above. I saw an video of that discovery, the Jewish Archaeologist just sat on the floor staring at the stone in the back for the longest time, with AWE on his face. That Stone was is suspected to be the Altar of Sacrifice, of King David. That Channel was to drain the blood from that animal being sacrificed, out back (would have circled to west), of that blood, and would have emptied into the little creek, what is now the Central Valley Road. That video was removed about a year later from YouTube. I still think it IS WHAT THEY FIRST SUSPECTED IT TO BE. That little room toward the back left side, was a Storage Bin for Grain, and later when David bought it from Ornan, it could have been the ideal Place for the Ark of the Covenant. I do not know for sure, where it was found in the Parking Lot Dig, and no one want to talk about it; but I suspect it was near the northeast corner of the Dig.
Herod added the Wings of the Temple, and the Court of the Gentiles later on.
Let's Look at THRESHING FLOORS, since it is a Lost Art, that few people know how to make it these days. David Paid 15 pounds of GOLD and considered it Full Price, so it had to be the Best Quality, and way above the standard size. If you can find a level bedrock slab, that would make it the TOP Quality Threshing Floor. Here is how to make a grade 2 Threshing Floor, but I think David's was Grade 1:
There is an example of the second highest in quality of a Threshing Floor. Weeds are a problem.
In some places in Europe, abandoned Roads can be used as Threshing Floors, but it is limited to the Width of the Roads:
The Amish may use Wood Floors, had to be cleaned before use, but don't blame me if you bite into a sliver in you bread:
That brings us to the Cheapest Threshing floor, DIRT. Do you really want to grind wheat for your Bread, with all that is in the dirt that is didn't cleaned out, like: bird droppings. mice droppings, etc.
But KING DAVID Paid 15 pounds of GOLD for Ornan Threshing Floor, and said it was a FULL PICE. Do you think it was anything but the best quality of Threshing Floor with bedrock floors, with very few cracks in the floor, and able to fit the entire 180 x 90 meter compound in it, now?
9 Then the LORD instructed Gad, David’s seer,
1 Chronicles 21:15-30 (HCSB)
15 Then God sent an angel to Jerusalem to destroy it, but when the angel was about to destroy the city, the LORD looked, relented concerning the destruction, and said to the angel who was destroying ⌊the people⌋, “Enough, withdraw your hand now!” The angel of the LORD was then standing at the threshing floor of Ornan the Jebusite.
16 When David looked up and saw the angel of the LORD standing between earth and heaven, with his drawn sword in his hand stretched out over Jerusalem, David and the elders, clothed in sackcloth, fell down with their faces ⌊to the ground⌋.
17 David said to God, “Wasn’t I the one who gave the order to count the people? I am the one who has sinned and acted very wickedly. But these sheep, what have they done? My LORD God, please let Your hand be against me and against my father’s family, but don’t let the plague be against Your people.”
18 So the angel of the LORD ordered Gad to tell David to go and set up an altar to the LORD on the threshing floor of Ornan the Jebusite.
19 David went up at Gad’s command spoken in the name of the LORD.
20 Ornan was threshing wheat when he turned and saw the angel. His four sons, who were with him, hid themselves.
21 David came to Ornan, and when Ornan looked and saw David, he left the threshing floor and bowed to David with his face to the ground.
22 Then David said to Ornan, “Give me this threshing-floor plot so that I may build an altar to the LORD on it. Give it to me for the full price, so the plague on the people may be stopped.”
23 Ornan said to David, “Take it! My lord the king may do whatever he wants. See, I give the oxen for the burnt offerings, the threshing sledges for the wood, and the wheat for the grain offering—I give it all.”
24 King David answered Ornan, “No, I insist on paying the full price, for I will not take for the LORD what belongs to you or offer burnt offerings that cost ⌊me⌋ nothing.”
25 So David gave Ornan 15 pounds of gold for the plot.
26 He built an altar to the LORD there and offered burnt offerings and fellowship offerings. He called on the LORD, and He answered him with fire from heaven on the altar of burnt offering.
27 Then the LORD spoke to the angel, and he put his sword back into its sheath.
28 At that time, David offered sacrifices there when he saw that the LORD answered him at the threshing floor of Ornan the Jebusite.
29 The tabernacle of the LORD, which Moses made in the desert, and the altar of burnt offering were at the high place in Gibeon,
30 but David could not go before it to inquire of God, because he was terrified of the sword of the LORD’s angel.
That may have been the Place in the Givati Parking Lot Dig where David saw the Angel's feet, verse 15 above. I saw an video of that discovery, the Jewish Archaeologist just sat on the floor staring at the stone in the back for the longest time, with AWE on his face. That Stone was is suspected to be the Altar of Sacrifice, of King David. That Channel was to drain the blood from that animal being sacrificed, out back (would have circled to west), of that blood, and would have emptied into the little creek, what is now the Central Valley Road. That video was removed about a year later from YouTube. I still think it IS WHAT THEY FIRST SUSPECTED IT TO BE. That little room toward the back left side, was a Storage Bin for Grain, and later when David bought it from Ornan, it could have been the ideal Place for the Ark of the Covenant. I do not know for sure, where it was found in the Parking Lot Dig, and no one want to talk about it; but I suspect it was near the northeast corner of the Dig.
Herod added the Wings of the Temple, and the Court of the Gentiles later on.
Let's Look at THRESHING FLOORS, since it is a Lost Art, that few people know how to make it these days. David Paid 15 pounds of GOLD and considered it Full Price, so it had to be the Best Quality, and way above the standard size. If you can find a level bedrock slab, that would make it the TOP Quality Threshing Floor. Here is how to make a grade 2 Threshing Floor, but I think David's was Grade 1:
There is an example of the second highest in quality of a Threshing Floor. Weeds are a problem.
In some places in Europe, abandoned Roads can be used as Threshing Floors, but it is limited to the Width of the Roads:
The Amish may use Wood Floors, had to be cleaned before use, but don't blame me if you bite into a sliver in you bread:
That brings us to the Cheapest Threshing floor, DIRT. Do you really want to grind wheat for your Bread, with all that is in the dirt that is didn't cleaned out, like: bird droppings. mice droppings, etc.
But KING DAVID Paid 15 pounds of GOLD for Ornan Threshing Floor, and said it was a FULL PICE. Do you think it was anything but the best quality of Threshing Floor with bedrock floors, with very few cracks in the floor, and able to fit the entire 180 x 90 meter compound in it, now?
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I wish I could make some people, especially Jews, that a Grandiose Payment, that WAS NOT OVER PRICED, means you must look for a Grandiose Plot of Land. Than means with above average features, such as at least a double Lot with two adjoining Rings with two very smooth bedrock floors with 90 meter rings, first and foremost, to have the right Location. Instead of picking the Wrong Location, with less than average features, and trying to make it fit, . . . . . JUST because it had the Right Name, without realized YOU GOT IT WRONG, and it was originally the NAME OF THE WHOLE RIDGE.
Here is what it looked like, the Day King David bought for 15 pounds of GOLD.
Here is what it looked like, the Day King David bought for 15 pounds of GOLD.
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tried to post but? Need to scroll down just a bit for main article.
https://www.quora.com/What-are-your...Motza-Israel-What-implications-do-you-foresee
https://www.quora.com/What-are-your...Motza-Israel-What-implications-do-you-foresee
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What are your thoughts on the recent huge archaeological discovery in Motza, Israel? What implications do you foresee?
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It does not count, for a HILL OF BEANS. WHY?
GOD HIMSELF CHOSE MT. ZION as the Sight HE WANTED 3000 years ago.
They say they estimated it to be 9000 years old. I ABSOLUTELY DO NOT TRUST ARCHAEOLOGIST to ESTISMATE ANYTHING older than KING DAVID. WHY? Way too many of them would rather believe EVOLUTION, instead of GOD CREATED THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH, almost instantly.. The Bible Says GOD created All that IS about 15,000 Years Ago. Their THEORY IS DEAD WRONG, Because Evolutionist chose the Wrong Starting Point.
Isaiah 29:14 (HCSB)
14 therefore I will again confound these people with wonder after wonder. The wisdom of their wise men will vanish, and the understanding of the perceptive will be hidden.
1 Corinthians 1:27-29 (HCSB)
27 Instead, God has chosen what is foolish in the world to shame the wise, and God has chosen what is weak in the world to shame the strong.
28 God has chosen what is insignificant and despised in the world—what is viewed as nothing—to bring to nothing what is viewed as something,
29 so that no one can boast in His presence.
1 Chronicles 21:9 (HCSB)
9 Then the LORD instructed Gad, David’s seer,
1 Chronicles 21:15-30 (HCSB)
15 Then God sent an angel to Jerusalem to destroy it, but when the angel was about to destroy the city, the LORD looked, relented concerning the destruction, and said to the angel who was destroying ⌊the people⌋, “Enough, withdraw your hand now!” The angel of the LORD was then standing at the threshing floor of Ornan the Jebusite.
16 When David looked up and saw the angel of the LORD standing between earth and heaven, with his drawn sword in his hand stretched out over Jerusalem, David and the elders, clothed in sackcloth, fell down with their faces ⌊to the ground⌋.
17 David said to God, “Wasn’t I the one who gave the order to count the people? I am the one who has sinned and acted very wickedly. But these sheep, what have they done? My LORD God, please let Your hand be against me and against my father’s family, but don’t let the plague be against Your people.”
18 So the angel of the LORD ordered Gad to tell David to go and set up an altar to the LORD on the threshing floor of Ornan the Jebusite.
19 David went up at Gad’s command spoken in the name of the LORD.
20 Ornan was threshing wheat when he turned and saw the angel. His four sons, who were with him, hid themselves.
21 David came to Ornan, and when Ornan looked and saw David, he left the threshing floor and bowed to David with his face to the ground.
22 Then David said to Ornan, “Give me this threshing-floor plot so that I may build an altar to the LORD on it. Give it to me for the full price, so the plague on the people may be stopped.”
23 Ornan said to David, “Take it! My lord the king may do whatever he wants. See, I give the oxen for the burnt offerings, the threshing sledges for the wood, and the wheat for the grain offering—I give it all.”
24 King David answered Ornan, “No, I insist on paying the full price, for I will not take for the LORD what belongs to you or offer burnt offerings that cost ⌊me⌋ nothing.”
25 So David gave Ornan 15 pounds of gold for the plot.
26 He built an altar to the LORD there and offered burnt offerings and fellowship offerings. He called on the LORD, and He answered him with fire from heaven on the altar of burnt offering.
27 Then the LORD spoke to the angel, and he put his sword back into its sheath.
28 At that time, David offered sacrifices there when he saw that the LORD answered him at the threshing floor of Ornan the Jebusite.
29 The tabernacle of the LORD, which Moses made in the desert, and the altar of burnt offering were at the high place in Gibeon,
30 but David could not go before it to inquire of God, because he was terrified of the sword of the LORD’s angel.
What are your thoughts on the recent huge archaeological discovery in Motza, Israel? What implications do you foresee?
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It does not count, for a HILL OF BEANS. WHY?
GOD HIMSELF CHOSE MT. ZION as the Sight HE WANTED 3000 years ago.
They say they estimated it to be 9000 years old. I ABSOLUTELY DO NOT TRUST ARCHAEOLOGIST to ESTISMATE ANYTHING older than KING DAVID. WHY? Way too many of them would rather believe EVOLUTION, instead of GOD CREATED THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH, almost instantly.. The Bible Says GOD created All that IS about 15,000 Years Ago. Their THEORY IS DEAD WRONG, Because Evolutionist chose the Wrong Starting Point.
Isaiah 29:14 (HCSB)
14 therefore I will again confound these people with wonder after wonder. The wisdom of their wise men will vanish, and the understanding of the perceptive will be hidden.
1 Corinthians 1:27-29 (HCSB)
27 Instead, God has chosen what is foolish in the world to shame the wise, and God has chosen what is weak in the world to shame the strong.
28 God has chosen what is insignificant and despised in the world—what is viewed as nothing—to bring to nothing what is viewed as something,
29 so that no one can boast in His presence.
1 Chronicles 21:9 (HCSB)
9 Then the LORD instructed Gad, David’s seer,
1 Chronicles 21:15-30 (HCSB)
15 Then God sent an angel to Jerusalem to destroy it, but when the angel was about to destroy the city, the LORD looked, relented concerning the destruction, and said to the angel who was destroying ⌊the people⌋, “Enough, withdraw your hand now!” The angel of the LORD was then standing at the threshing floor of Ornan the Jebusite.
16 When David looked up and saw the angel of the LORD standing between earth and heaven, with his drawn sword in his hand stretched out over Jerusalem, David and the elders, clothed in sackcloth, fell down with their faces ⌊to the ground⌋.
17 David said to God, “Wasn’t I the one who gave the order to count the people? I am the one who has sinned and acted very wickedly. But these sheep, what have they done? My LORD God, please let Your hand be against me and against my father’s family, but don’t let the plague be against Your people.”
18 So the angel of the LORD ordered Gad to tell David to go and set up an altar to the LORD on the threshing floor of Ornan the Jebusite.
19 David went up at Gad’s command spoken in the name of the LORD.
20 Ornan was threshing wheat when he turned and saw the angel. His four sons, who were with him, hid themselves.
21 David came to Ornan, and when Ornan looked and saw David, he left the threshing floor and bowed to David with his face to the ground.
22 Then David said to Ornan, “Give me this threshing-floor plot so that I may build an altar to the LORD on it. Give it to me for the full price, so the plague on the people may be stopped.”
23 Ornan said to David, “Take it! My lord the king may do whatever he wants. See, I give the oxen for the burnt offerings, the threshing sledges for the wood, and the wheat for the grain offering—I give it all.”
24 King David answered Ornan, “No, I insist on paying the full price, for I will not take for the LORD what belongs to you or offer burnt offerings that cost ⌊me⌋ nothing.”
25 So David gave Ornan 15 pounds of gold for the plot.
26 He built an altar to the LORD there and offered burnt offerings and fellowship offerings. He called on the LORD, and He answered him with fire from heaven on the altar of burnt offering.
27 Then the LORD spoke to the angel, and he put his sword back into its sheath.
28 At that time, David offered sacrifices there when he saw that the LORD answered him at the threshing floor of Ornan the Jebusite.
29 The tabernacle of the LORD, which Moses made in the desert, and the altar of burnt offering were at the high place in Gibeon,
30 but David could not go before it to inquire of God, because he was terrified of the sword of the LORD’s angel.
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Map of the so-called Temple Mount, Showing the Bedrock curve down hill from west looking east. SEEMS that no one has produced such a map. I just spend hours searching the internet, and found nothing. We have the technology, I think it is called: Lightyear, where they find all kinds of buildings in Central American Jungles. Wouldn't that flown by the Western Wall pointed at the Dome of the ROCK, EXPOSE WHAT THE TRUE BEDROCK SLOPE IS, GOING SOUTH ? ? ? No level spot large enough for the TEMPLE on Ornan Threshing Floor, would prove, the TEMPLE was NEVER up top the highest hill. It should be simple with modern technology.
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Somewhere, I read an article that the tallest Tower on the southeast corner of Fortress Antonio is known as the TOWER OF ANTONIA. I assumed they meant the corner Tower to the southeast, but with this new evidence it very well could be the corner Tower down by the corner of the road. I will try to find a collaborating article, to validate Sir Charles Warren, found proof that it actually exited. I wish a modern day archaeologist would take an interest in proving Charles Warren's findings was more that a Theory. Like I said above, it makes perfect since, because the new site is 50 percent closer to the TEMPLE, making it easier to see what was going on in the TEMPLE AREA. Maybe TOWER Guard were the ones that warned they were beating Paul to death.
Acts 21:30-32 (NASB)
30 Then all the city was provoked, and the people rushed together, and taking hold of Paul they dragged him out of the temple, and immediately the doors were shut.
31 While they were seeking to kill him, a report came up to the commander of the Roman cohort that all Jerusalem was in confusion.
32 At once he took along some soldiers and centurions and ran down to them; and when they saw the commander and the soldiers, they stopped beating Paul.
That would be TOTALLY ACCURATE, if the Guards on Duty, initiated that REPORT, if their on guard duty station was below by the road, and High Enough to see the top of the TEMPLE. There is room for a tower there:
Yes I got the Tower at a slant, but it gives you a idea if we can verify it, where the 5th Tower goes.
I guess a very tall Tower, was not considered significant at the time, by Warren, himself, as he didn't even consider it Significant enough to label what and when did he discover it. Here is a hand drawn map, but no LABEL on it, marked it with a red Circle.
Inside that RED CIRCLE, is the foundation of the very tall TOWER, according to Warren, that was destroyed in an earthquake MUCH EARLIER. It could have been an earlier earthquake, but the 1834 was a bad on in Jerusalem. Sir Charles Warren was born (7 February 1840 – and died 21 January 1927). A very Tall Tower with NO CONNECTING WALLS, would have been easy prey for a bad earthquake.
Acts 21:30-32 (NASB)
30 Then all the city was provoked, and the people rushed together, and taking hold of Paul they dragged him out of the temple, and immediately the doors were shut.
31 While they were seeking to kill him, a report came up to the commander of the Roman cohort that all Jerusalem was in confusion.
32 At once he took along some soldiers and centurions and ran down to them; and when they saw the commander and the soldiers, they stopped beating Paul.
That would be TOTALLY ACCURATE, if the Guards on Duty, initiated that REPORT, if their on guard duty station was below by the road, and High Enough to see the top of the TEMPLE. There is room for a tower there:
Yes I got the Tower at a slant, but it gives you a idea if we can verify it, where the 5th Tower goes.
I guess a very tall Tower, was not considered significant at the time, by Warren, himself, as he didn't even consider it Significant enough to label what and when did he discover it. Here is a hand drawn map, but no LABEL on it, marked it with a red Circle.
Inside that RED CIRCLE, is the foundation of the very tall TOWER, according to Warren, that was destroyed in an earthquake MUCH EARLIER. It could have been an earlier earthquake, but the 1834 was a bad on in Jerusalem. Sir Charles Warren was born (7 February 1840 – and died 21 January 1927). A very Tall Tower with NO CONNECTING WALLS, would have been easy prey for a bad earthquake.
I Hope and Pray a modern Archaeologist this day or some day soon reads this post, and inspires him to check out that site, digging for remnants of the TOWER OF ANTONIA. And if he finds it, writes an article for Archelogy Today, and Posts it Here too.
See how close to the TEMPLE that would make it. No more from 600 feet away, to 300 Feet. That is Logical when you want to keep an eye on things that goes on in the TEMPLE. It makes all kind of sense to me.
And I found a straighter TOWER, that looks better to me:
And YES, they occasionally built a Watch Tower away from their normal Fortress.
I got it done, and I am confident it is the most accurate map you have ever seen. I want to thank the original artist, there were very few errors that I had to correct. I struggled all day to make a Synagogue picture look right, but had give up and used two circles to represent the Two external building for KING and Queen. Back to the Future.
Yes there have verified that the bottom floor is the MILLO. I am sure that David, must have said something like, "If the bad guys show up, I want you guards, in the first floor below me."
Yes it is TRUE, the Millo was on the first FLOOR, while the Floors above was King David's Private Palace.
Yes there have verified that the bottom floor is the MILLO. I am sure that David, must have said something like, "If the bad guys show up, I want you guards, in the first floor below me."
Yes it is TRUE, the Millo was on the first FLOOR, while the Floors above was King David's Private Palace.
Just so you can see, what I imagine Solomon's two similar Palaces out back of the Justice Hall, which may have been a remodeled King David's Palace or a replacement of it. Here is what I came up with today.
I used an historic old photo of a Synagogue from a foreign country, to simulate what King Solomon came up with. That is how I imagine it looked like.
Here is a quote from one of Josephus History Books:
QUOTE:
The Works of Flavius Josephus:
Book 8, Chapter 5, Section 2:
2. This house was a large and curious building, and was supported by many pillars, "Justice Hall Place", which Solomon built to contain a multitnde for hearing causes, and taking cognizance of suits. It was sufficiently capacious to contain a great body of men, who would come together to have their causes determined. It was a hundred cubits long, and fifty broad, and thirty high, supported by quadrangular pillars, which were all of cedar; but its roof was according to the Corinthian order, with folding doors, and their adjoining pillars of equal magnitude, each fluted with three cavities; which building as at once firm, and very ornamental. There was also another house so ordered, that its entire breadth was placed in the middle; it was quadrangular, and its breadth was thirty cubits, having a temple over against it, "King Solomon's Palace", raised upon massy pillars; in which temple there was a large and very glorious room, wherein the king sat in judgment. To this was joined another house that was built for his queen. . . ."Pharaoh's Daughter, Solomon's Queen."
END QUOTE:
So that is how I came up with that arrangement. The King's Palace had to overlap (to the side), part of the physical Temple Building for that statement to be true.
I used an historic old photo of a Synagogue from a foreign country, to simulate what King Solomon came up with. That is how I imagine it looked like.
Here is a quote from one of Josephus History Books:
QUOTE:
The Works of Flavius Josephus:
Book 8, Chapter 5, Section 2:
2. This house was a large and curious building, and was supported by many pillars, "Justice Hall Place", which Solomon built to contain a multitnde for hearing causes, and taking cognizance of suits. It was sufficiently capacious to contain a great body of men, who would come together to have their causes determined. It was a hundred cubits long, and fifty broad, and thirty high, supported by quadrangular pillars, which were all of cedar; but its roof was according to the Corinthian order, with folding doors, and their adjoining pillars of equal magnitude, each fluted with three cavities; which building as at once firm, and very ornamental. There was also another house so ordered, that its entire breadth was placed in the middle; it was quadrangular, and its breadth was thirty cubits, having a temple over against it, "King Solomon's Palace", raised upon massy pillars; in which temple there was a large and very glorious room, wherein the king sat in judgment. To this was joined another house that was built for his queen. . . ."Pharaoh's Daughter, Solomon's Queen."
END QUOTE:
So that is how I came up with that arrangement. The King's Palace had to overlap (to the side), part of the physical Temple Building for that statement to be true.
The Hill that ultimately became the Highest ground in the Day of JOSEPHUS, at the Highest POINT of that is now the Dome of the Rock. THAT IS FORTRESS ANTONIA. Yes that means the Jews only think the Western Wall is directly across from the Temple. In reality it is the Western Wall of the Fortress of Antonia.
The Lower Hill to the South, it is the TEMPLE, that lies on the Southwest corner of the OPHEL, which is the REAL Mt. Zion. Which was LOWERED, by Prince Simon bar Kokhba, in 132 A.D. That is when Prince Simon, decided he was going to build the THIRD TEMPLE, after all of the DEFILED bedrock was Removed. It was defiled by the Romans, because they purposely built a Temple to Jupiter on the same site as the Jewish Temple. The Crew that turned Mt. Zion into a Rock Quarry, has just finished their work, WHEN THE ROMANS attacked in force, in 135 AD, with 10 LEGIONS. And in the last Battle, Prince Simon bar Kokhba was Killed, thus ended the Third Temple, attempt, in 135 AD.
How many FEET, did Prince Simon Lower Mt. Zion? No one knows for sure, but enough, so that no one recognized it as Mt. Zion. in 1212 AD, after the Jews returned from exile for over a 1000 years. The Sanhedrin argued, and argued, so they decided to put to a VOTE, on where Mt. Zion was, and where the Temple was. BOTH VOTES WERE IN ERROR, and they picked the wrong site for both.
The Palace of King Solomon, was adjacent to the TEMPLE. It was on a lower hill, the name of that was Mt. Zion, which is the OPHEL. And the HALL OF JUSTICE PALACE was a little bit lower than King's Palace and the Queen's Palace.
Here is an artwork that I did the majority myself, and included a few pictures to dress it up a little. What I was trying to do is give you what my mind pictures, if I was looking at ancient Jerusalem from about 300 yards to the West standing on a Hilltop. It is a Topographical view, while looking East. I know that what I called Fortress Antonia, is a poor image of what the real Fortress Antonia looked like.
The Lower Hill to the South, it is the TEMPLE, that lies on the Southwest corner of the OPHEL, which is the REAL Mt. Zion. Which was LOWERED, by Prince Simon bar Kokhba, in 132 A.D. That is when Prince Simon, decided he was going to build the THIRD TEMPLE, after all of the DEFILED bedrock was Removed. It was defiled by the Romans, because they purposely built a Temple to Jupiter on the same site as the Jewish Temple. The Crew that turned Mt. Zion into a Rock Quarry, has just finished their work, WHEN THE ROMANS attacked in force, in 135 AD, with 10 LEGIONS. And in the last Battle, Prince Simon bar Kokhba was Killed, thus ended the Third Temple, attempt, in 135 AD.
How many FEET, did Prince Simon Lower Mt. Zion? No one knows for sure, but enough, so that no one recognized it as Mt. Zion. in 1212 AD, after the Jews returned from exile for over a 1000 years. The Sanhedrin argued, and argued, so they decided to put to a VOTE, on where Mt. Zion was, and where the Temple was. BOTH VOTES WERE IN ERROR, and they picked the wrong site for both.
The Palace of King Solomon, was adjacent to the TEMPLE. It was on a lower hill, the name of that was Mt. Zion, which is the OPHEL. And the HALL OF JUSTICE PALACE was a little bit lower than King's Palace and the Queen's Palace.
Here is an artwork that I did the majority myself, and included a few pictures to dress it up a little. What I was trying to do is give you what my mind pictures, if I was looking at ancient Jerusalem from about 300 yards to the West standing on a Hilltop. It is a Topographical view, while looking East. I know that what I called Fortress Antonia, is a poor image of what the real Fortress Antonia looked like.
I improved the Picture, I made some what, as the Fortress Antonia, seemed two short, and I added a paragraph, in the upper left corner, and arrows showing you how far the TEMPLE was from Fortress Antonia. Yes, the double two decor bridges, called Colonnades, would have been visible, but I think you all needed to see where the Fifth Tower, called the "Tower of Antonia," would have been. Even Josephus never referred it to be the Southeast Tower of Fortress Antonia. He only used the Tower of Antonia, when referring to it. Plus that southeast tower, would have been 800 feet from seeing into the TEMPLE to see if a REBELLION was Brewing. I estimate the TOWER of Antonia, would have been no more 450 feet (maybe closer). The person who was an Archaeologist, who discover that Tower, only called it a Very Tall Tower, and his Name was Sir Charles Warren. The same Person that Warren Shaft was named after. He lived from (7 February 1840 – 21 January 1927). I know the Romans wanted to see everything going on in the TEMPLE, so this height was the minimum to view it all, so it could have been even higher. An Earth Quake toppled the Tower, and they never rebuilt it.
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You know, how can a person like Sir Charles Warren, TELL how tall a tower is when it was in an earthquake, and when it was DESTROYED many years before?
The answer is simpler than you think.
I don't think anything falls up hill. So we can rule out falling to the North.
I think, most likely, did not fall to either side, or you could measure the height by the Debris Field. So if it did fall left or right, you could walk the debris field, and say I found pieces of that structure 70 feet away, so it probably was around 60 feet high. AND by the same token you can approximate the width, so it is easy to tell if it was a TOWER.
So what about it falling across the road to the Southeast ? ? ?
There is the Yellow Line where part of the foundation walls still remain.
The RED Lines are part of the remaining foundation wall, that were ripped out of the ground.
Picture this falling across the road, only 20 feet of it remains on the road. The rest of it, goes over the Cliff or Very Steep incline, heading for the bottom of the Kidron Valley. I think Warren found debris all the way down to the bottom. I think it was 60 - 75 feet Tall.
It starts off as almost a vertical cliff, levels off in a normal hill, then were the arrow is pointing, and it becomes a "HEADED FOR THE BOTTOM" Steep Hill. So I am convinced that 2/3 of the height when over the cliff up top, broke into pieces on impact, and scattered debris all the way down, even to the bottom. So KNOW WAY TO TELL HOW HIGH IT REALLY, hence Warren on said, "It was a very Tall Tower".
I think we have found the TOWER OF ANTONIA.
The answer is simpler than you think.
I don't think anything falls up hill. So we can rule out falling to the North.
I think, most likely, did not fall to either side, or you could measure the height by the Debris Field. So if it did fall left or right, you could walk the debris field, and say I found pieces of that structure 70 feet away, so it probably was around 60 feet high. AND by the same token you can approximate the width, so it is easy to tell if it was a TOWER.
So what about it falling across the road to the Southeast ? ? ?
There is the Yellow Line where part of the foundation walls still remain.
The RED Lines are part of the remaining foundation wall, that were ripped out of the ground.
Picture this falling across the road, only 20 feet of it remains on the road. The rest of it, goes over the Cliff or Very Steep incline, heading for the bottom of the Kidron Valley. I think Warren found debris all the way down to the bottom. I think it was 60 - 75 feet Tall.
It starts off as almost a vertical cliff, levels off in a normal hill, then were the arrow is pointing, and it becomes a "HEADED FOR THE BOTTOM" Steep Hill. So I am convinced that 2/3 of the height when over the cliff up top, broke into pieces on impact, and scattered debris all the way down, even to the bottom. So KNOW WAY TO TELL HOW HIGH IT REALLY, hence Warren on said, "It was a very Tall Tower".
I think we have found the TOWER OF ANTONIA.