Once saved always saved (OSAS) debunked

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Cameron143

Cameron143

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Everlasting-Grace said:
All sin will be forgiven men, thats what I read, not might be, will be and all men.

Are you sure what that is what blasphemy of the spirit is? ir were by calling the work of the spirit the work of satan, were they not unbelieving in the work of the spirit
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That's correct. More succinctly, the Pharisees were saying Jesus did what He was doing by Satan, and not the Holy Spirit.
 
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Cameron143 said:
We're going in circles. You said all sin is paid for. You said unbelief is a sin. The logical conclusion is that unbelief has been paid for.
Now you say any sin merits hell. But haven't all sins been paid for?

So you are in essence saying that God sends people to hell for a sin He has paid for.
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28 “Assuredly, I say to you, all sins will be forgiven the sons of men, and whatever blasphemies they may utter; 29 but he who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is subject to eternal condemnation

Jesus said ALL SIN..I am just repeating what Jesus said
 
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Blain said:
kind of out of the blue here but I just saw the prayer you have on your signiture about Asking God to make you the man your dog thinks you are that is the best right there I love it.
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Thanks bro.

I have had many comments of the same.
 
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Cameron143 said:
That's correct. More succinctly, the Pharisees were saying Jesus did what He was doing by Satan, and not the Holy Spirit.
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whats different between that and saying that we are not sinners.. or the devil made me do it. or we are saved by works?

unbelief is unbelief.

which is what they did..
 
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rogerg said:
You're reminding me of the movie Beethoven from quite a few years back where the king told Beethoven's competitor his song had too many notes in it. But the competitor said, no, it has just the right number of notes in it.
You're saying the same thing, that Bible has too many verses in it, and some of them should be discarded because you think they're not needed, is that it?
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Not sure where that came from... Every word in the Bible is needed. But you cannot add to a verse, surmising it's saying something else when it is clear what is being said.

“For to this end we toil and strive, because we have our hope set on the living God, who is the Savior of all people, especially of those who believe.”

I don't know how anyone can take that to say anything other than it does.
 
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ThereRoseaLamb said:
Not sure where that came from... Every word in the Bible is needed. But you cannot add to a verse, surmising it's saying something else when it is clear what is being said.

“For to this end we toil and strive, because we have our hope set on the living God, who is the Savior of all people, especially of those who believe.”

I don't know how anyone can take that to say anything other than it does.
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savior of all people..loved the world....

does God means what he says or what?
 
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BillG said:
Read it.

I can't get what you are trying to convey.

Can you please try to explain it to me like I am a 5 year old?

What is your main point?

I'm not sure if you are trying to prove a point or reject a point.
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I'll try.

On what basis does God send someone to hell? My answer is sin.
Another poster said it was only the sin of unbelief.
He also said all sin has been atoned for.

Unbelief is a sin. But Unbelief can be forgiven. Otherwise, no one could be saved as we were all once unbelievers.

So logically it follows that if all sin is paid for and sins are what merit hell, everyone in hell is there inspite of the fact that all their sins have been paid for.

Is that what you believe?
 
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ThereRoseaLamb said:
Not sure where that came from... Every word in the Bible is needed. But you cannot add to a verse, surmising it's saying something else when it is clear what is being said.

“For to this end we toil and strive, because we have our hope set on the living God, who is the Savior of all people, especially of those who believe.”

I don't know how anyone can take that to say anything other than it does.
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You told me to ignore that verse because you cannot explain it. You are willing to assume it has no effect nor impact on the remaining verses. In effect, you are saying to ignore it. Anyway, we're just going circles, so I'm done.
 
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Everlasting-Grace said:
who did the father give him?
John 6. it is the will of the father that all WHO SEE AND BELIEVE.....
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There is a pattern I noticed all throughout scripture God detests sin and the ungodly but unbelief really seems to be the kicker for him I mean even in the old testament there was a way to have your sins clean and he does get angry at sin but take a look at anyone in the bible who had unbelief in him it isn't pretty.
So likewise I think hr does call all of mankind and he calls and he calls but unbelief is something that quite frankly I am surprised he is so patient with
 
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Cameron143 said:
I'll try.

On what basis does God send someone to hell? My answer is sin.
Another poster said it was only the sin of unbelief.
He also said all sin has been atoned for.

Unbelief is a sin. But Unbelief can be forgiven. Otherwise, no one could be saved as we were all once unbelievers.

So logically it follows that if all sin is paid for and sins are what merit hell, everyone in hell is there inspite of the fact that all their sins have been paid for.

Is that what you believe?
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maybe this will help

there is a band of 100 people. who are ruled by a righteous person. In denial. all 100 people reject the ruler and decide they will be their own ruler. out of this comes a multitude of sin. and all of them, based on the law of the place are found guilty and sentenced to pay for their crimes

but the righteous ruler loves his 100 people. so he ends up paying for all of their crimes so they could be set free. But he also loves them enough to give them the change to reject his love and remain in their sin. in the end 50 people humble themselves and recieve the salvation the ruler offered them, while th eother 50 refused to repent and remained in their sin

in the end, the 50 people who rejected the ruler (unbelief) were condemned

the 50 who receved the rulers forgiveness because they learned and came to trust in him were not condemned

Who earned there just reward?

the ones who were saved because they believed

or the ones who were condemned because they rejected?
 
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ButterflyJones said:
All that the Father gives him, yes.

Otherwise it sounds like you are a proponent of Universalism.
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No, Savior of all, Lord of all the earth. But that doesn't mean all will be saved. His blood is for all that are willing to come to him. Imagine an earthly king, is he king of the whole country or just certain people? He is king over all or he's not king.
 
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Blain said:
There is a pattern I noticed all throughout scripture God detests sin and the ungodly but unbelief really seems to be the kicker for him I mean even in the old testament there was a way to have your sins clean and he does get angry at sin but take a look at anyone in the bible who had unbelief in him it isn't pretty.
So likewise I think hr does call all of mankind and he calls and he calls but unbelief is something that quite frankly I am surprised he is so patient with
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people say God is diffrent in the OT, he stuck his whip. but look how much grace and patience he showed the people? even the flood was a last resort when there was no one left..
 
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