Who Justifieth the Ungodly

he will lose none who hear and follow him right ?

It’s actually a repetitive teaching he uses different words several times to make the point our place is to hear and believe and accept the gospel and his word is that he will save us

We can’t erase our part though

“My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: and I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.”
‭‭John‬ ‭10:27-28‬ ‭KJV‬‬

None of those will be lost right ? In other words those sheep are actually believers the people

“Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; and ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.”
‭‭John‬ ‭8:31-32‬ ‭KJV‬‬

those who hear and follow Jesus for absolute sure won’t perish and shall be saved

But they have to hear the gospel , believe and follow after thier shepherd that’s what identifies his “ sheep” the recognize the shepherds voice and follow where he leads them

have you ever read Paul’s epistles ? If so would you say he knew a lot more than Jesus died and rose ?

and if not you should read one of them from beginning to end

apparently he was always repeatedly teaching then this too

“Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭5:19-21‬ ‭KJV‬‬

But, they cannot do that in their natural mind because the things of God are foolishness to that mind. God must intercede first.

When apostles , missionaries, go into all the world today, that is how God calls his sheep.
The shepherd calls them by changing their natural mind to understand and heed his invitation.

Sheep only come when their shepherds voice is heard.
They ignore anyone else who calls.

1 Corinthians 2:14 The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned.

John 6:44 No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day.


We change as Christians because our mind was changed.

Romans 12:2 Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewal of your mind, that by testing you may discern what is the will of God, what is good and acceptable and perfect.

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Which are them He died for, the Sheep. If we never do these things, He didnt die for us and Justify us.

Yeah I have read Pauls letters. So 1 Cor 2:14 the Natural man cannot understand the Gospel, the preaching of the cross because those things must be spiritually judged, yet the natural man doesnt have the Spirit.

Again 1 Cor 2:1-16 declares the natural man cannot understand the things of God, the Testimony of God, which is the Gospel, because these matters must be spiritually discerned 1 Cor 2:14

Jesus says the same thing but in different terminology when He says Jn 3:3

3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

A man must be born again to understand the things of the Kingdom, which is the Gospel

Again, the natural man has no capacity to understand the Gospel, it must be spiritually understood 1 Cor 2:14

14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Paul says neither can he know them, that speaks to inability. Sorry

That I may understand you there. Are you saying if Satan understood why Jesus was here he would not have had Jesus crucified?

Justification of Life !

Rom 5:18

18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

Jesus once said as the Head of the Church, Jn 14:19

Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.

We know Christ Lives from the Testimony of scripture of His Resurrection, its a Gospel Truth 1 Cor 15:5-4

3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

5 And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve:

In fact, if He had not risen, it means that those He died for are yet in their sins 1 Cor 15:17

17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.

Now Christ being raised from the dead, after having been delivered to death for our sins, He rose again for Our Justification Rom 4:25

25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

Which resurrection/raising again is Life, Jesus said once again Jn 11:25

Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life

Now the Justification in Rom 5:18 is that which is stated in Rom 4:25, and through and by that Resurrection, Life is communicated to the Justified, which are all men for whom He was delivered for their offences/sins .

This Life is communicated to them, in so much as the Head Lives, the Body Must Live.

Since the Head rose from the Dead with Resurrection Life, the members of His Body must also, or the Heads Resurrection was for nought, fruitless.

Life results from Justification, which is why Jesus rose from the dead, after having been condemned to death for our sins, when Justice for the condemned was satisfied, proof was resurrection from the dead, Life, when Christ was given life from the dead, it was a pledge that all whom He represented shall be given Life from the dead, because they were Justified to Life. Life results from Justification because Justification is Righteousness. The word for Justification in both Rom 5:18;4:25 is dikaiósis and means:

the act of pronouncing righteous, acquittal

God Honors Righteousness with Life Prov 12:28

In the way of righteousness is life: and in the pathway thereof there is no death.

Gill writes on this verse:


One cannot be one for whom Christ died, and not receive Justification of Life, that would mean that the Resurrection was a farce, and those Christ died for are yet still in their sins ! 1 Cor 15:17 ! 16

Because He Lives, we shall Live !

Jesus once said as the Head of the Church, Jn 14:19

Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.

Jesus here is Speaking as the Head of His Body the Church. Because He Lives speaks of His Resurrection from the dead after having giving Himself for His Body the Church Eph 5:25

25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;

And He is the Saviour of the Body, His Church Eph 5:23

23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.

The Body and the Church are the same. He is the Saviour of the Body, and because the Head Lives, the Body must Live also, or something has went wrong, has aborted !

The Head was delivered from Death, so must the Body be also. This answers the Prophecy we have in Isa 26:19

Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead.

Christ's Body the Church, was dead in sin Eph 2:1,5

And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;

5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved)

When we [The Body, Church] were dead in sins, God quickened us together with Christ [Our Head and Saviour] !

The Body is made alive and lives because its Head was made alive to Live !

Jesus as the risen Head says Rev 1:18

I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

Rev 2:8

And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive;

Jesus speaking metaphorically says of His Body the Church, His Temple Jn 2:19-21

19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.

20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?

21 But he spake of the temple of his body.

We understand that His Body the Church, is also the Temple of God Eph 2:21

21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:

The Church is His Body Eph 1:22-23

22 And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church,

23 Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.

The Church is His Temple Eph 2:21

In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:

1 Cor 3:16

Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

Because He Lives, He builds His Temple, raises it up Acts 15:16

16 After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up:

This is the fulfillment of Amos 9:11 where it reads raise up instead of build again 11 In that day will I raise up the tabernacle of David that is fallen, and close up the breaches thereof; and I will raise up his ruins, and I will build it as in the days of old:

Its the same word used in Isa 26:19

Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead.

Because the Head Lives, so must His Body Live, His Body with all of its individual members 1 Cor 12:12

For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.

Only those who have been born-again (the elect) can and do hear and follow because it is God who moves/directs them to do so.
God does not do that for everyone - only for His elect. Only of His sheep does God make to hear and follow - the reverse is incorrect.

[Jhn 6:45 KJV] 45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.

[Jhn 10:26 KJV] 26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.

1 Corinthians 2:14 refers to the mystery, the hidden wisdom, which you insist is the Gospel ... even though you have been shown that the mystery the hidden wisdom is not the Gospel.

brightfame52 said:

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Tell that to God ... it's His Word you're manipulating in your futile attempt to support your dogma.

You are to align your dogma to Scripture and where you are in error, let go of the error.
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1 Cor 2:14 pertains to the things of the Spirit of God, Spiritual things such as the Gospel is, so the natural man cannot understand the Gospel, the Cross of Christ.

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False Jesus has always been the Head of His Body the Church, from the Creation of the world, Adam and Eve were patterned in Creation after Christ and His Church Eph 5:29-32

29 For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church:

30 For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.

31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.

32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.

Col 1:15-18

15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.


All for whom Christ died, they were Justified to life Rom 5:18 and Rom 4:25 shows that His death Justified them since He was raised from the dead for [because of] their Justification. Now being Justified they are given life, spiritual life.

Yes Jesus spoke metaphorically Matt 11:7-15

There was a prophecy stating elijah shall come, Now Jesus said John the Baptist fulfilled that Prophecy, but not physically, He is speaking metaphorically, John the Baptist wasn't literally Elijah. So you speak foolishly and unlearnedly about Jesus not speaking metaphorically.