Salvation is for the Whole World

Since it was Christ who had redeemed them, would it then follow that they had been so chosen for that redemption by God?

It is not love to let a perverted gospel be spread across the land without challenging it forcibly by scripture!

Quite Ironic really.

If we assume the world means world of the elect for some reason, what about this verse:

Hebrews 2:9
But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

How could they wiggle out of that one? EVERY MAN is pretty specific. It doesn't say "all" which we know sometimes means not every one, like when the emperor put the whole "world" under tax, he didn't mean Japan or South America, obviously he meant the roman empire, I get that im not that dumb.
But EVERY MAN to me is so specific that you really cannot get out of that no matter how you interpret it

Anyone can look at a meaning and then rearrange it to say opposite of what is being read.

Anyone can turn foreknowledge into an abstract.

But if it's not what the Holy Spirit Inspired us to both think and believe, then we're only damaging our witness by being the culprit when we do as such.

The Word of God claims the Death upon the Cross happened for the Whole World.

Granted, I can deduct like you are and go directly to results and make it become only for someone specific.

You are perverting the Holy Word of God by preaching YOUR deductive reasoning by IGNORING what the Bible claims.

We know what you are doing.

I will apologize to You for how I addressed You before.

But we must convey the Word of God or Truth by representing what the Holy Spirit factually Inspired.

We are to Glorify God!

Not to make a single SINNER believe they have no Hope.

Yes, the Calvinist doctrine is from the pit of hell. I have seen many young lives ruined through this evil.
Almost lost my own child to this lie, only God gave me His word in my mouth to the rescue.
Still the devil tries to shut our mouths.

Why start something so beautiful to then say this? Oh one was His word the other is yours. Yes we all tend to believe our personal truth is the real true gospel. But what no one can escape is out of the heart the mouth speaks. Do you know how many love believe in Jesus that came in the flesh died on the cross for the worlds sin was buried rose the 3rd day is seated at the right hand of the Father is the only way to the Father that are Calvinist? Not my kids your talking about. Yeah in this world as a father "never touch my kids" yet with GOD's kids we tell Him who are and who are not and do we even care? You disagree with Calvinist well praise God make a thread as many have and in love show what is written and what is not. The part that always brings a smile is within Calvinism there are things we all believe yet oddly those truly against it never touch that part it is odd.

Me? ooh no no not touching this *ism so many and each one KNOWS they are the true believer and if you don't believe talk like act like them you are not saved. Ok praise God.. no clue who is talking but.. thanks for sharing.

It does not matter what "most evangelicals" think. What does the Word of God say? Does it not say that Christ died for the sins of the whole world? So you have simply created a straw man about people having faith in their own faith. Obviously you did not exercise faith.

1 John 2:2 KJV
And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

An abstract? I don't understand what you mean by that?

Our hope should never be in ourselves but in God alone. Should someone think that they can save themselves by any of their own actions (to include by their belief), then they would be attempting to take the power of salvation away from God bequeathing it to themselves. Instead, a faith given by God, is such that He alone is its object from beginning to end and is in no way by/of us. A faith not given by God, will instead be a trust in ourselves and in our own works which can never bring salvation.

[1Pe 1:21 KJV] 21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.

What is your understanding of the word redeemed? Do you think Jesus redeemed any who were not of His people?
If you do, then read Luk 1:68 more closely because it clearly tells us otherwise - that it was intended only for His people alone. This means they were first His people, and being His people, He redeemed them.
Only the redeemed have been/will be saved, and only His people are redeemed. Luk 1:68 places all the work of redemption solely and squarely upon Christ alone and nothing upon those who are of the redeemed.


Redeemed:

1. a ransoming, redemption
2. deliverance, esp. from the penalty of sin

[Luk 1:68 KJV] 68 Blessed [be] the Lord God of Israel; for he hath visited and redeemed his people,
[Luk 1:77 KJV] 77 To give knowledge of salvation unto his people by the remission of their sins,
[Heb 9:12 KJV] 12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption [for us].

So based upon what you're saying - that Jesus died for the sins of this world - if taken to its logical conclusion, then everyone of this world must become saved. Is that what you believe?

So based upon what you're saying - that Jesus died for the sins of this world - if taken to its logical conclusion, then everyone of this world must become saved. Is that what you believe?

The opportunity for salvation is granted to everyone but you must have faith in Jesus in order to be saved.

Our Job, yes, if we actually are one of the few people who do something for God it is first and foremost to Glorify Him.

When you read Jesus DIED for the whole world you know that is pure love.

When you choose to create doctrines so God can be questioned, you have not Glorified Him but INSULTED Him by removing His Own Words for yours.

And just Who are you to diminish the Glory God rightfully deserves?

So based upon what you're saying - that Jesus died for the sins of this world - if taken to its logical conclusion, then everyone of this world must become saved. Is that what you believe?

IF all would believe. all would be saved. But all will not believe, therefore all will not be saved. Repentance and believing go hand in hand. So here are the words of Christ Himself to explain this:

JOHN 3: ALL WILL NOT BELIEVE BUT SALVATION IS FOR ALL

Then Jesus's offering couldn't have been for all. You can't have it both ways - it must be either for all sins for everyone,
or you're not understanding those verses.

Then Jesus's offering couldn't have been for all. You can't have it both ways - it must be either for all sins for everyone, or you're not understanding those verses.