CJ Lovik with another prophecy backing up his 2030 return of Jesus

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cv5

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Absolutely yes, the LXX should always be used for long-span genealogy/chronology purposes (the LXX rightly adds something like 1800 years total from Adam). But it makes no difference to the topic of the time of the SC.

The LXX is critical when dating back to the birth of Abraham (2322BC) and the date of the Exodus (1603BC). The commonly quoted dates given in most bibles are far too early.

Egypt and Exodus (barrysetterfield.org)
Ancient Chronology (barrysetterfield.org)
FAR TOO LATE. :rolleyes:
See what I mean lol.
 

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I agree that the peace treaty happens at the beginning, but I think this verse might refer to more than that. It gets worse as the trib progresses.
1 Thessalonians 5:3
“For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.”
Great verse that earmarks the first seal (deception - peace and safety), to the following sequence of the other seals down the line (sudden destruction). And then of course the trumpets and bowls.
 

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Yes there is. As TDW has elaborated on in great detail. Over and over again. Stated 3X in 2Thes 2 alone.

1) 2Th 2:3
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come "THE (ho) DEPARTURE (apostasia)" first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

2) 2Th 2:6
And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.

3) 2Th 2:7
For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
2Th 2:8
And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
Yes

and when will the man of sin be revealed?

This post does not tell me that.. Nor does any of his posts tell me that

So instead of mocking me, why don;t you answer my question.
 

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This is how I view it. Let the smarties argue about the timeline before Christ. God knows the year, and it's indisputable that it was been 2023 or so since Jesus' birth. Closing in on the 6000 years of man.
Yeah. And the "2 days" of Hosea 6:2-3 seems to be factored from His resurrection / ascension (per Hosea 5:14-15), rather than from His birth.

There are for sure missing years from the Hebrew calendar and if memory serves the discrepancy in years arose between the 1st temple destruction and the 2nd Temple.
Mhmm. And then there's the question as to WHY, between "the 17th day of the 2nd month" (Gen7:11) and "the 17th day of the 7th month" (Gen8:4; so 5 months total from start-date to end-date), there seems to be a total of only "150 days" (Gen7:24; 8:3). :unsure: I *think* I can do math okay...
 

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I think we should look at minute details.. Many people have made peace treaties with Israel since 1948,
Sure.

But there will only be ONE that is [/will have been] immediately preceded by [at least, being somewhat LOCK-STEP with] the vanishing / disappearance of a vast body of persons (namely, believers in Christ ;) ).



Yes, sure, at that time "God shall SEND TO THEM strong delusion THAT THEY should believe the LIE / the FALSE / the PSEUDEI" but that's to certain ones (I believe, to the ones who've hardened themselves to the Truth), not to 100% of the ppl who will be left on the earth at that time. (I believe Paul is showing the CONTRAST of the two opposite "beliefs" ppl WILL BE coming to, FOLLOWING "our Rapture" in these 2 chpts of 2Th--which agrees with what we see in both Rev and in the Olivet Discourse--the parts about that "future" time-period, aka starting with "the beginning of birth pangs" [the seals]).

Rev4-5 shows the "24 elders" (whom I believe represent the already-raptured and awarded Church which is His body) saying, "hast redeemed US... out-of EVERY"... BEFORE Jesus will "STAND to JUDGE" by His opening the FIRST SEAL... which kicks off the 7-yr period (same "start-point" that Dan9:27a shows).

That's one primary difference. = ) Ppl will have disappeared / vanished, just prior to this "confirm / strengthen the covenant with the many" thing he will do (at the START of the 7 yrs--the "IN THE NIGHT" time-period, what is COMMONLY called "the tribulation period [7 yrs]"... not the "GREAT" tribulation period [3.5 yrs], which only starts at the later AOD point, MID-trib).









As I mentioned in another thread (maybe it was this one, I don't really recall :D ), the AC / man of sin is also being referenced PRIOR TO the MID-point, starting in Dan11:36 [the break being between v.35 and v.36] ... which v.36 starts off by saying
"And the king shall do [active - in LXX G4160 - same word as is used in Rev13:5 - I'm NOT saying these are the same TIME-slot] according to his will [/ thelema -LXX]."

From what I understand (and I could be mistaken), when the word "will" (Grk) is used in conjunction with "ACTIVE" ("do [active]"), then the word "will/thelema [Grk LXX]" would mean something more than just "doing [what one] WISHES" (as it can SOUND like, in this sentence).

Just a thought... something to consider along with the primary point at the top portion of this post. = )
 

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^ To be clear, WE (the Church which is His body) will not be present on the earth when the AC / man of sin does the first action in his role ("in his time"), which I believe is the Dan9:27a action ("for ONE WEEK [7 yrs]" ;--v.26b "the prince that is COMING [/shall come]"), i.e. the FIRST SEAL ("went forth"), aka the "A CERTAIN ONE [G5100]" of Matt24:4/Mk13:5 [bringing deception]... the king of Dan11:36... etc...

So, this "double-whammy evidence" [lock-step] will be clear to the ones still on the earth (FOLLOWING "our Rapture"), who haven't hardened themselves to the truth...
 

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Sure.

But there will only be ONE that is [/will have been] immediately preceded by [at least, being somewhat LOCK-STEP with] the vanishing / disappearance of a vast body of persons (namely, believers in Christ ;) ).



Yes, sure, at that time "God shall SEND TO THEM strong delusion THAT THEY should believe the LIE / the FALSE / the PSEUDEI" but that's to certain ones (I believe, to the ones who've hardened themselves to the Truth), not to 100% of the ppl who will be left on the earth at that time. (I believe Paul is showing the CONTRAST of the two opposite "beliefs" ppl WILL BE coming to, FOLLOWING "our Rapture" in these 2 chpts of 2Th--which agrees with what we see in both Rev and in the Olivet Discourse--the parts about that "future" time-period, aka starting with "the beginning of birth pangs" [the seals]).

Rev4-5 shows the "24 elders" (whom I believe represent the already-raptured and awarded Church which is His body) saying, "hast redeemed US... out-of EVERY"... BEFORE Jesus will "STAND to JUDGE" by His opening the FIRST SEAL... which kicks off the 7-yr period (same "start-point" that Dan9:27a shows).

That's one primary difference. = ) Ppl will have disappeared / vanished, just prior to this "confirm / strengthen the covenant with the many" thing he will do (at the START of the 7 yrs--the "IN THE NIGHT" time-period, what is COMMONLY called "the tribulation period [7 yrs]"... not the "GREAT" tribulation period [3.5 yrs], which only starts at the later AOD point, MID-trib).









As I mentioned in another thread (maybe it was this one, I don't really recall :D ), the AC / man of sin is also being referenced PRIOR TO the MID-point, starting in Dan11:36 [the break being between v.35 and v.36] ... which v.36 starts off by saying
"And the king shall do [active - in LXX G4160 - same word as is used in Rev13:5 - I'm NOT saying these are the same TIME-slot] according to his will [/ thelema -LXX]."

From what I understand (and I could be mistaken), when the word "will" (Grk) is used in conjunction with "ACTIVE" ("do [active]"), then the word "will/thelema [Grk LXX]" would mean something more than just "doing [what one] WISHES" (as it can SOUND like, in this sentence).

Just a thought... something to consider along with the primary point at the top portion of this post. = )
I still see no in your face valid proof that the 70th week has started and the man of sin is revealed.

The Abomination of desolation is visual proof by which no one can argue

thats the kind of proof I am looking for.

I am still pre-trib.. I am also a realist..
 
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I use the term "Calvinism" for all teachings which are not the truth (TULIP) both repackaged modern and old. :D

Of course there are many correct teachings in the Reformed world but those that work against the message of the simple Gospel and its power for salvation and the character of God, nah not having it.
What is the simple gospel? Just believe in Christs death, burial, and resurrection for the full payment of my past present and future sins? I believe what I just typed by the way.
 

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What is the simple gospel? Just believe in Christs death, burial, and resurrection for the full payment of my past present and future sins? I believe what I just typed by the way.
Yes that is the simple Gospel, but the payment must be acknowledge on a personal level not just as an abstract idea.
 

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What is the definition of easy believism?
The belief I can say a “sinners Prayer” and I am saved no matter what. It has no true repentance. And is not based on faith. Scripture calls it licentiousness. Or as James said, a dead faith, which is no faith at all
 
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The belief I can say a “sinners Prayer” and I am saved no matter what. It has no true repentance. And is not based on faith. Scripture calls it licentiousness. Or as James said, a dead faith, which is no faith at all
So Christian’s need to have works to show their change of mind, I,e. Repentance?
 

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I am just trying to understand. I believe Jesus died and was resurrected, paying my sin debt in full. I cannot do anything to add to that.
Thats good

some people do not really trust that, yet claim they have faith. Their pride is just as deep as the legalist who think they have to work for it.