Who Justifieth the Ungodly

In John 2:19-21, the Lord Jesus Christ was not speaking metaphorically of "The Church". The Lord Jesus Christ was speaking literally of the resurrection of His body from the dead.

as stated in the commentary you submitted: the language ... refer ... only to Messiah ... raised on the third day (Joh 2:19


your manipulation of Scripture is a sham ...

Ephesians 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive
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Metaphorically Christ is speaking of the Church His Temple His Body in John 2

I Cor 2:14 is about the Gospel and how the natural man cannot know it for it must be Spiritually discerned.

nope ... the Lord Jesus Christ spoke literally of His resurrection 3 days after His crucifixion.

John 2:22 When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them ...
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nope ... you have been shown the context ... you reject the truth of God's Word and hold to your erroneous dogma.
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Oh Yes. Christ was speaking metaphorically. His Body which was raised from the dead, metaphorically includes His Church, the Temple Of God. When Christ was raised up, so was His Body the Church Hosea 6:2

2 After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight.


Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Bible Commentary
2. Primarily, in type, Israel's national revival, in a short period ("two or three" being used to denote a few days, Isa 17:6; Lu 13:32, 33); antitypically the language is so framed as to refer in its full accuracy only to Messiah, the ideal Israel (Isa 49:3; compare Mt 2:15, with Ho 11:1), raised on the third day (Joh 2:19; 1Co 15:4; compare Isa 53:10). "He shall prolong His days." Compare the similar use of Israel's political resurrection as the type of the general resurrection of which "Christ is the first-fruits" (Isa 26:19; Eze 37:1-14; Da 12:2).

Again 1 Cor 2:14 is about how the natural man cannot understand the Gospel, its foolishness to him. 1 Cor 2:6-7 is about the Cross, Christ the Wisdom of God

6 Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought:

7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:

1 Cor 1:24

But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.

On 1 Cor 2:6

1 Corinthians 2:6-9. § 7. THE GOSPEL CONSIDERED AS WISDOM. So far Paul has been maintaining that his message is a “folly,” with which “wisdom of word” is out of keeping; yet all the while he makes it felt that it is wisdom in the truest sense—“God’s wisdom,” convicting in its turn the world of folly. If relatively the Gospel is not wisdom, absolutely it is so,—to persons qualified to understand it. This P. now proceeds to show (1 Corinthians 2:6 to 1 Corinthians 3:2 : cf. Introd. to Div. II.). The message of the cross is wisdom to the right people (§ 7), qualified to comprehend it (§ 8).

According to your Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Bible Commentary, Hosea 6:2 speaks of "Primarily, in type," the revival of the nation of Israel:




Your Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Bible Commentary then goes on to explain the antitype and specifically points out that the antitype refers "only to Messiah ... raised on the third day (Joh 2:19"



Your own source does not substantiate your claim.


READ YOUR BIBLE!!!
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Jesus according to JFB is the Ideal Israel, and Jesus and His Church His Body are One ! So again when He arose, His Body the Church rose together with Him

Also I believe Paul referred to this passage as well as others in the OT when he preached the Gospel 1 Cor 15:3-4
3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

Now Hosea 6:2 is scripture that metaphorically speaks of Christs resurrection and the church with Him
Come, and let us return unto the Lord: for he hath torn, and he will heal us; he hath smitten, and he will bind us up.

2 After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight.

Now you should see why one could not be a natural man to receive the Truths of the Gospel, these things must be Spiritually discerned. The natural man doesnt have the Spiritual capacity to know and understand the scriptures, yet the Gospel is according to the scriptures.

Jesus had to open up peoples understanding so they could understand the scriptures and the things concerning Him in them, which Hosea 6 would be included Lk 22:44-46

44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,

46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behooved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:

1 Cor 2:14 is talking about how the natural man cannot understand the Gospel, it must be Spiritually diserned, but the natural man doesnt have the Spirit of God.

The Gospel of Christ is according to the scriptures, which the resurrection of Christ is part of the Gospel according to the scriptures, scriptures in Pauls day was the OT. Now Jesus had to open up mens mind to understand the scriptures, I just showed you that Lk 24:44-46

44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,

46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behooved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:

Now OT scriptures, the Prophets metaphorically foretold of Christs resurrection Hos 6:1-2
Come, and let us return unto the Lord: for he hath torn, and he will heal us; he hath smitten, and he will bind us up.

2 After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight.

Now Paul preached the Gospel to both jews and gentiles, in their natural minds they could not understand the scriptures 1 Cor 1:18,23-24

18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;

24 But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.

Do you think spiritually dead jews or gentiles can discern that Hos 6:1-2 had its fulfillment in Christ and Him Crucified and He arose the third day from that passage ?

Im afraid you are deceived.

brightfame52 said:

Barnes of Hos 6:2 sees the church rising together with Christ as well

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So? Ellicott wrote (bold mine):


and check out Cambridge Bible for Schools and Colleges (bold mine):

brightfame52 said:

and Jesus and His Church His Body are One ! So again when He arose, His Body the Church rose together with Him

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quit re-writing John 2:19-21 to support your erroneous dogma. In John 2:19-21, the Lord Jesus Christ was speaking literally of the resurrection of His body from the dead. And this understanding is further corroborated by John 2:22 When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them.

At the time the Lord Jesus Christ arose from the dead, the church was not in existence. The church did not come into existence until after the Lord Jesus Christ ascended into heaven ... the birth of the church is revealed in Acts 2 with the great outpouring of the Holy Spirit.

brightfame52 said:

Also I believe Paul referred to this passage as well as others in the OT when he preached the Gospel 1 Cor 15:3-4
3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures

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what is written in 1 Cor 15:1-4 is the gospel:

the Lord Jesus Christ died for our sins
the Lord Jesus Christ was buried
the Lord Jesus Christ rose from the dead the third day

that is the gospel and, according to Rom 1:16, the gospel is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth

brightfame52 said:

Now Hosea 6:2 is scripture that metaphorically speaks of Christs resurrection and the church with Him

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nope ... the church was not in existence until after the ascension of the Lord Jesus Christ into heaven.

brightfame52 said:

Now you should see why one could not be a natural man to receive the Truths of the Gospel, these things must be Spiritually discerned. The natural man doesnt have the Spiritual capacity to know and understand the scriptures, yet the Gospel is according to the scriptures.

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trying to force your misinterpretation of 1 Cor 2:14 into your rambling, twisting, misinterpretation of Scripture does not change the fact that 1 Cor 2:14 relates to the mystery, the hidden wisdom which the apostle Paul discussed with more mature believers in the church at Corinth.

In your neverending conflating of the gospel with the mystery, the hidden wisdom, you reveal you are just as ignorant of the gospel as you are of the mystery. You need to go back and READ YOUR BIBLE!!!

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Jesus had to open up peoples understanding so they could understand the scriptures and the things concerning Him in them, which Hosea 6 would be included Lk 22:44-46

44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,

46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behooved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:

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You think all that is written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms concerning the Lord Jesus Christ relates only to the gospel? ... all that Moses and the prophets wrote was the gospel only? The psalms contain only the gospel ???

Messiah is the subject of all of Scripture ... from Genesis to Revelation. There is much more written in Moses, the prophets, and the psalms than the gospel.


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nope ... 1 Cor 2:14 relates to the mystery, the hidden wisdom which Paul discussed only with those who were spiritually mature.

Paul could not discuss the mystery, the hidden wisdom with those who were newly born again. Paul could not discuss the mystery, the hidden wisdom with those who had been born again for awhile but were yet carnal (1 Cor 3:1). Paul spoke only about Christ and Him crucified with these folks.

However, with those who were more mature, Paul was able to go into more in-depth spiritual matters:

1 Corinthians 2:6-7 Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect [Greek teleios = mature, of full age]: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought: But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory

Because you willfully ignore the truth of Scripture, you are ignorant of the gospel (which is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth - Rom 1:16) as well as the mystery, the hidden wisdom which was hid in God from the beginning of the world until it was revealed to Paul.


2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.


READ YOUR BIBLE!!!
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So again, Jesus spoke metaphorically at times, and the Gospel according to scripture has to be Spiritually discerned.

1 Cor 2:12-14 is speaking about how the natural man cannot spiritually discern Gospel Truth, the spiritual things freely given us through the Person and Work of Jesus Christ Vs 12

12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.

13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

As you can see God regenerates His People first by giving them the Spirit, then they can Spiritually know and embrace the truths of the Gospel,

John Gill on Vs 13

But which the Holy Ghost teacheth; or "in the taught" words "of the Holy Ghost"; in the language of the Scriptures, edited by the Spirit of God; or such as the Holy Spirit taught them, suggested to them, directed them to the use of; for he not only supplied them with matter, but furnished them with words, with proper and spiritual oratory:

comparing spiritual things with spiritual; the things of the Spirit of God, the doctrines of the Gospel, with the spiritual writings of the Old Testament, whereby their truth and harmony are demonstrated; speaking as the oracles of God, and prophesying or preaching according to the analogy of faith; and adapting spiritual words to spiritual truths, clothing them with a language suitable and convenient to them, not foreign and flourishing, but pure, simple, and native; or accommodating and communicating spiritual things, as to matter and form, to spiritual men; which sense the Arabic version favours and confirms, such being only capable of them; and with these there is no need to use the eloquence, oratory, wisdom, and words of men.

1 Cor 2:14 is saying that the Gospel cannot be understood by the natural man.

hi nice to meet you, ☺️ your first two posts I have just finished reading, which made me so happy. the interpretation is lost by many when the interpreter understands being justified as justification for themselves to justify there own faith, the meaning here is, it is not ourself's who justify our faith but it is Jesus who who has justified our faith.