Who Justifieth the Ungodly

hi nice to meet you, ☺️ your first two posts I have just finished reading, which made me so happy. the interpretation is lost by many when the interpreter understands being justified as justification for themselves to justify there own faith, the meaning here is, it is not ourself's who justify our faith but it is Jesus who who has justified our faith.

Hi, you dont make sense to me friend.

hi nice to meet you, ☺️ your first two posts I have just finished reading, which made me so happy. the interpretation is lost by many when the interpreter understands being justified as justification for themselves to justify there own faith, the meaning here is, it is not ourself's who justify our faith but it is Jesus who who has justified our faith.

The ungodly where never Justified until they turned to the new faith,

1 Cor 2:14 is saying that the Gospel cannot be understood by the natural man.

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I consider this false since the ungodly elect were Justified by the death/blood of Christ while ungodly, enemies ! Rom 5:9-10

9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

the ungodly elect were Justified by the death/blood of Christ while ungodly, enemies !

The ungodly elect ? . are you serious how can the ungodly be the elect, ??.

Notice how he speaks of ungodliness in the past tense ? He’s not saying feel free to keep living that way because of grace of you continue on in those epistles you find instruction that leads to repentance and right living fulfilling the promise of righteousness by faith


“Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry: For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience:

In the which ye also walked some time, when ye lived in them.

But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth. Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds;

And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge ( hearing and believing the gospel of the kingdom )
after the image of him that created him:

Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering; Forbearing one another, and forgiving one another, if any man have a quarrel against any: even as Christ forgave you, so also do ye.

And above all these things put on charity, which is the bond of perfectness.

And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to the which also ye are called in one body; and be ye thankful.

Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord.”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭3:5-10, 12-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the instructions about repenting from our old sinful ways and doing the new things walking in the good works the gospel sets before us is part of it all.

you have made good post here , I think if you let the rest of those epistles into your belief it will change what “ grace and faith “ means into a powerful effectual changing of the sinner into a child of God in deed and truth

Now, you're talking about the already/not yet of the gospel. In Colossians 1-2, Paul describes the gospel's already aspect. In other words, when Jesus died on the cross and rose from the dead, we are already made perfect in God's eyes; but we still have the sinful nature within us. Therefore, in chapters three and four, he commands us to take off that sinful nature and its qualities and put on the new nature characteristics--all based on Jesus' resurrection power (3:1).

nope ... 1 Cor 2:14 tells us the mystery, the hidden wisdom cannot be understood.

Paul tells us in 1 Cor 2:6 those with whom he was able to discuss the mystery, the hidden wisdom ... and not just the mystery, the hidden wisdom but also the things which ...

Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man,God hath prepared for them that love him (1 Cor 2:9)

are freely given to us of God (1 Cor 2:12)

the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual (1 Cor 2:13)

... and according to 1 Cor 2:6, Paul spoke of these things with those who were mature, of full age:

1 Corinthians 2:6 Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect [Greek teleios = mature, of full age]: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought


Paul taught Christ and Him crucified (the gospel) to the general congregation which consisted of mature believers, new born again ones, those who had been born again for awhile (but were carnal so their growth in the Lord was stunted), and unbelievers.

Quit manipulating Scripture in your futile attempt to support erroneous dogma. You are to align your dogma with Scripture and where you are in error, let go of the error.


READ YOUR BIBLE!!!
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The ungodly elect ? . are you serious how can the ungodly be the elect, ??.

"ungodly elect" ... another of your unsubstantiated beliefs ... right up there with your claim submitted in Post 1804 that "those He died for do not have to believe it, accept itor do anything but continue being ungodly sinners"





The word "reconciled" is translated from Greek katallássō – decisively change, as when two parties reconcile when coming ("changing") to the same position.

God (the Party of the first part) established His eternal purpose in eternity past ... and He reconciled Himself to mankind through the death of His Son.

The believer (the party of the second part) is reconciled at the time he/she believes on Him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead (Rom 4:24). At that point, both parties (God and the believer) came to the same position (see definition of reconciled translated from Greek katallássō).

The one who is justified by faith (Rom 5:1) is no longer an enemy because he/she is now reconciled. Both parties are now reconciled.


Romans 4:

20 He [Abraham] staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;

21 And being fully persuaded that, what he [God] had promised, he [God] was able also to perform.

22 And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness.

23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it [righteousness] was imputed to him;

24 But for us also, to whom it [righteousness] shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;

25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ
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Yeah ungodly elect. When the elect are born into the world they are ungodly, enemies, sinners like anyone else. God Justified the ungodly elect Rom 4:5

5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

“For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world; looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works. These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee.”
‭‭Titus‬ ‭2:11-15‬ ‭

“For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, to execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.”
‭‭Jude‬ ‭1:4, 14-15‬ ‭

Okay, I believe those scriptures, whats your point in posting them ?

That being saved by grace is the first set of verses and being deceived by the statement “ saved by grace “ is the second

1 Cor 2:14 is telling us that the natural man cannot spiritually understand the Gospel.

Yeah ungodly elect.

nope ... again still wrong.

Ephesians 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive
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