Am I saved

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Fundaamental said:
she told me if I believe Jesus Christ is lord who died for your sins and rose from the grave you will receive the holy spirit and eternal salvation
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She is correct.
Fundaamental said:
So I thought about this, I knew Jesus was the son of God, but I didn't know he was my lord and saviour, I thought God was.
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Salvation is only through Jesus. It is He who shed His blood to purchase your salvation.
John 14:6
“Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.”
Fundaamental said:
I thought God was.
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John 3:16
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”
Fundaamental said:
What happens when you recieve the holy spirit, and how do you know you've received the holy spirit.
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It is automatic when you are born again. Just believe it by faith. You don't need to feel any electric sparkly stuff. You don't have to speak in tongues either.
Fundaamental said:
I was wondering do I need to be like a Jew first befor becoming a Christian in order to truly believe.
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No. Please don't. It was a great hinderance to them. Just understand that we are born in sin and need a Savior.
Fundaamental said:
Because I don't know whether I'm saved, and I don't understand everything that is written in the bible.
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Just go straight to Jesus and have a little talk with Him. He longs for a personal relationship with you today.
Fundaamental said:
I don't pray that often or feal the need to. If I had the holy spirit would I be talking to God more often,
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Your walk with Jesus is a growing thing. He will draw near to you as you take time to seek a closer walk with Him.
James 4
7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.
8 Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded.
9 Be afflicted, and mourn, and weep: let your laughter be turned to mourning, and your joy to heaviness.
10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.
 
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Fundaamental said:
I met a Christian in a concert in the park where I lived, they where singing and doing baptisms,

I was interested in the baptizing. The young lady I was talking to told me about how the baptizing worked, she told me if I believe Jesus Christ is lord who died for your sins and rose from the grave you will receive the holy spirit and eternal salvation

So I thought about this, I knew Jesus was the son of God, but I didn't know he was my lord and saviour, I thought God was.

I thought God can see everything so he must have sent his son to be our lord saviour, I've since learned Jesus is God.

But when i was baptized I thought I had to say yes I believe Jesus is my lord and saviour in order to recieve salvation.
After witnessing many baptisms that day, I thought it was a piece of cake, just copy everybody else I thought.

What happens when you recieve the holy spirit, and how do you know you've received the holy spirit.

I've since learned that Jesus died for all mankind's sins, because everybody inherited a sin nature from Adam and Eve.

After reading some of the bible it seems all the Jews had very strict training from God and a lot of people believed at the time Jesus was the Messiah, but some didn't,

But both sides of believers had strict training first from the father and many lessons befor being asked whether they believed Jesus was there lord and saviour.

I was wondering do I need to be like a Jew first befor becoming a Christian in order to truly believe.



Because I don't know whether I'm saved, and I don't understand everything that is written in the bible.

I don't pray that often or feal the need to. If I had the holy spirit would I be talking to God more often,
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The requirement for salvation, being born again, and becoming a Christian according to scripture is

1. Belief and faith
2. Confession of belief
3. Repentance
4. Water immersion, baptism, for the forgiveness of your sins

Doing the above saves you, gives you the gift of the Holy Ghost, and adds you to the Lord's body which is his church
 
2ndTimeIsTheCharm

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I posted to Fundaamental's other thread that maybe it will help him get an idea what being saved means if we talk about our own testimonies of how we got saved ourselves.

I'll write mine out later, but as I had mentioned in the other post, I hope other people will post theirs too.

❧
 
Magenta

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you don’t need to become like anyone else to come to the lord you need to just be real with him and not hide any part of yourself

There’s a reason most of the Jews rejected Jesus and only a small remnant received him. The law of Moses is what makes Jews and this was why they rejected Jesus

“Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech: and not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished: but their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.

But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart. Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭3:12-16‬ ‭

you don’t want to become like the people who were blind to the lord , you want to be who you already are because you aren’t blind to Jesus and who he is which means if you stick with him you shall be be saved it’s a promise ahead that is waiting for us as we finish our race not a trophy we already have on the mantle
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2 Corinthians 3:13-15~ We are not like Moses, who would put a veil over his face to keep the Israelites
from gazing at the end of what was fading away. But their minds were closed. For to this day the same veil remains at the reading
of the old covenant. It has not been lifted, because only in Christ can it be removed. And even to this day when Moses is read, a veil
covers their hearts. But whenever anyone turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away.
 
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Fundaamental said:
I met a Christian in a concert in the park where I lived, they where singing and doing baptisms,

I was interested in the baptizing. The young lady I was talking to told me about how the baptizing worked, she told me if I believe Jesus Christ is lord who died for your sins and rose from the grave you will receive the holy spirit and eternal salvation

So I thought about this, I knew Jesus was the son of God, but I didn't know he was my lord and saviour, I thought God was.

I thought God can see everything so he must have sent his son to be our lord saviour, I've since learned Jesus is God.

But when i was baptized I thought I had to say yes I believe Jesus is my lord and saviour in order to recieve salvation.
After witnessing many baptisms that day, I thought it was a piece of cake, just copy everybody else I thought.

What happens when you recieve the holy spirit, and how do you know you've received the holy spirit.

I've since learned that Jesus died for all mankind's sins, because everybody inherited a sin nature from Adam and Eve.

After reading some of the bible it seems all the Jews had very strict training from God and a lot of people believed at the time Jesus was the Messiah, but some didn't,

But both sides of believers had strict training first from the father and many lessons befor being asked whether they believed Jesus was there lord and saviour.

I was wondering do I need to be like a Jew first befor becoming a Christian in order to truly believe.



Because I don't know whether I'm saved, and I don't understand everything that is written in the bible.

I don't pray that often or feal the need to. If I had the holy spirit would I be talking to God more often,
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Do you believe? Are you baptized. Simple enough. None of this is about us or what we think or what we do. Its about a promise from God through Christ, Jesus to all. No one does as they ought, and our life in Christ is a process. Get in a good church. I always recommend an LCMS church. (You can google that). Now learn to rest in the Lord.
 
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"For when one says, 'I am of Paul,' and another, 'I am of Apollos,' are you not carnal?" 1 Corinthians 3:4
 
studentoftheword

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Cameron143 said:
The truth is that no one here can tell you whether you are saved or not.
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That is not so ---you certainly can tell if one is save by the fruit they bear -------

From Got Questions ---just posted this part --read all for yourselves ------

https://www.gotquestions.org/you-will-know-them-by-their-fruit.html

In our lives, every word and every action is fruit from our hearts. Sinners sin because that’s what is in their hearts. Thieves steal, rapists attack, and adulterers cheat because those sins are the fruit being produced from an evil heart. Bad hearts produce bad fruit. When Jesus said, “You will know them by their fruit” concerning false teachers, He was giving us a guide for identifying them. False prophets, speakers of lies, will have actions that correspond to their errant message. Just as their message is anti-God, so will be their works. They will stray from the path of righteousness.

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Cameron143

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studentoftheword said:
That is not so ---you certainly can tell if one is save by the fruit they bear -------

From Got Questions ---just posted this part --read all for yourselves ------

https://www.gotquestions.org/you-will-know-them-by-their-fruit.html

In our lives, every word and every action is fruit from our hearts. Sinners sin because that’s what is in their hearts. Thieves steal, rapists attack, and adulterers cheat because those sins are the fruit being produced from an evil heart. Bad hearts produce bad fruit. When Jesus said, “You will know them by their fruit” concerning false teachers, He was giving us a guide for identifying them. False prophets, speakers of lies, will have actions that correspond to their errant message. Just as their message is anti-God, so will be their works. They will stray from the path of righteousness.

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He's new to Christianity. So no you can't, anymore than when a mother conceives a child anyone can know.
Later on, we can evaluate fruit, and even then not fully know. Paul, I doubt, knew Demas would depart. The disciples didn't know that it was Judas who would betray Jesus, and in 1 John the Apostle says they went out from us because they were not of us. Up to that time, they appeared to be authentic.
Until we are able to discern the heart, we will never be sure.
 
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Cameron143 said:
He's new to Christianity. So no you can't, anymore than when a mother conceives a child anyone can know.
Later on, we can evaluate fruit, and even then not fully know. Paul, I doubt, knew Demas would depart. The disciples didn't know that it was Judas who would betray Jesus, and in 1 John the Apostle says they went out from us because they were not of us. Up to that time, they appeared to be authentic.
Until we are able to discern the heart, we will never be sure.
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Being new to Christianity has nothing to do with fruit or anything else other than maybe you've now become convinced and believe. The Ethiopian eunuch as recorded in Acts 8, was new to Christianity when Philip introduced Jesus to him by clarifying the scriptures he was reading. He believed and was immediately baptized and upon doing so, he became a Christian.
 
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Fundaamental said:
I met a Christian in a concert in the park where I lived, they where singing and doing baptisms,

I was interested in the baptizing. The young lady I was talking to told me about how the baptizing worked, she told me if I believe Jesus Christ is lord who died for your sins and rose from the grave you will receive the holy spirit and eternal salvation

So I thought about this, I knew Jesus was the son of God, but I didn't know he was my lord and saviour, I thought God was.

I thought God can see everything so he must have sent his son to be our lord saviour, I've since learned Jesus is God.

But when i was baptized I thought I had to say yes I believe Jesus is my lord and saviour in order to recieve salvation.
After witnessing many baptisms that day, I thought it was a piece of cake, just copy everybody else I thought.

What happens when you recieve the holy spirit, and how do you know you've received the holy spirit.

I've since learned that Jesus died for all mankind's sins, because everybody inherited a sin nature from Adam and Eve.

After reading some of the bible it seems all the Jews had very strict training from God and a lot of people believed at the time Jesus was the Messiah, but some didn't,

But both sides of believers had strict training first from the father and many lessons befor being asked whether they believed Jesus was there lord and saviour.

I was wondering do I need to be like a Jew first befor becoming a Christian in order to truly believe.



Because I don't know whether I'm saved, and I don't understand everything that is written in the bible.

I don't pray that often or feal the need to. If I had the holy spirit would I be talking to God more often,
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You don't need to become like a Jew first but you have to experience being real born again. It's not like once you accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior in your mind and heart, that's it, but it's an experience. Being born again, you must die first. Do you know that without forsaking everything and carrying our cross daily and denying ourselves daily, we cannot be Jesus' disciples? Have you lost your life on earth? That's a question you must ask in order for you to know.

Being born again is a very painful process of denying the lust of the flesh so that the life of Christ would manifest in our lives.

Read and obey his word. You cannot do anything without abiding in Jesus. His word sanctifies and cleanses us as we obey it. That's what Jesus meant when he said to Nicodemus, "Marvel not that I tell you that you must be born again. Except a man be born of water and of Spirit, he cannot enter God's kingdom."

The water is the Word, and the words that Jesus speaks to us is spirit and life.

Ephisians 5:26
That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of WATER BY THE WORD.

John 6:63
It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the WORDS that Ispeak unto you, they are SPIRIT and they are life.
 
Cameron143

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DJT_47 said:
Being new to Christianity has nothing to do with fruit or anything else other than maybe you've now become convinced and believe. The Ethiopian eunuch as recorded in Acts 8, was new to Christianity when Philip introduced Jesus to him by clarifying the scriptures he was reading. He believed and was immediately baptized and upon doing so, he became a Christian.
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The baptism that saves is spiritual and baptizes us into Christ. This is why there is no condemnation to those who are IN Christ Jesus. Water baptism is an outward ordinance signifying an inward reality.
 
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Fundaamental said:
I met a Christian in a concert in the park where I lived, they where singing and doing baptisms,

I was interested in the baptizing. The young lady I was talking to told me about how the baptizing worked, she told me if I believe Jesus Christ is lord who died for your sins and rose from the grave you will receive the holy spirit and eternal salvation

So I thought about this, I knew Jesus was the son of God, but I didn't know he was my lord and saviour, I thought God was.

I thought God can see everything so he must have sent his son to be our lord saviour, I've since learned Jesus is God.

But when i was baptized I thought I had to say yes I believe Jesus is my lord and saviour in order to recieve salvation.
After witnessing many baptisms that day, I thought it was a piece of cake, just copy everybody else I thought.

What happens when you recieve the holy spirit, and how do you know you've received the holy spirit.

I've since learned that Jesus died for all mankind's sins, because everybody inherited a sin nature from Adam and Eve.

After reading some of the bible it seems all the Jews had very strict training from God and a lot of people believed at the time Jesus was the Messiah, but some didn't,

But both sides of believers had strict training first from the father and many lessons befor being asked whether they believed Jesus was there lord and saviour.

I was wondering do I need to be like a Jew first befor becoming a Christian in order to truly believe.



Because I don't know whether I'm saved, and I don't understand everything that is written in the bible.

I don't pray that often or feal the need to. If I had the holy spirit would I be talking to God more often,
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Read and meditate on this whole Chapter. You DO NOT have to wonder if you are saved. Here is a verse stating such from this chapter:

1 John 5:13

New King James Version

13 These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life, and that you may continue to believe in the name of the Son of God.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1 john 5&version=NKJV
 
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Sheariah07 said:
You don't need to become like a Jew first but you have to experience being real born again. It's not like once you accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior in your mind and heart, that's it, but it's an experience. Being born again, you must die first. Do you know that without forsaking everything and carrying our cross daily and denying ourselves daily, we cannot be Jesus' disciples? Have you lost your life on earth? That's a question you must ask in order for you to know.

Being born again is a very painful process of denying the lust of the flesh so that the life of Christ would manifest in our lives.

Read and obey his word. You cannot do anything without abiding in Jesus. His word sanctifies and cleanses us as we obey it. That's what Jesus meant when he said to Nicodemus, "Marvel not that I tell you that you must be born again. Except a man be born of water and of Spirit, he cannot enter God's kingdom."

The water is the Word, and the words that Jesus speaks to us is spirit and life.

Ephisians 5:26
That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of WATER BY THE WORD.

John 6:63
It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the WORDS that Ispeak unto you, they are SPIRIT and they are life.
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For clarification, being born again isn't a painful process that doesn't involve length of time or anything other than belief initially, and obedience as you've alluded to. What is obedience when in terms of obeying the gospel? It's simple. Jesus said "he that believeth and is baptized shall be saved" as recorded in Mark 16. Obedience after belief means being baptized and upon doing so, you are saved and become a member of the body of Christ and thus a Christian. It's at that point as well that you are buried with Christ in baptism and baptized into his death, simulating his death and likewise his resurrection. Read Romans 6. Also read the account of the Ethiopian eunuch and his conversion in Acts 8. It wasn't painful nor involved any extensive amount of time. Philip preached Christ to him, obviously told him about the the need to be baptized due to the question asked by the eunuch, and he was immediately baptized. Very simple process.
1. Belief and faith
2. Confession of belief as the eunuch did and as required per Romans 10:9
3. Repentance as was told to the Jews on the day of Pentecost in Acts 2:38
4. Baptism for the remission of sins, to receive the Holy Ghost, and be added to the church per Acts 2:38-47

That's the process.
 
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Cameron143 said:
He's new to Christianity.
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So what does that mean ?????????????------if your a born again Christian you have the Holy spirit indwelling In you and through the Holy Spirit you will produce Good fruit -------as a matter of fact you should have a character change right away ------there should be some change in the way you think and act ----after receiving Jesus in your heart -------
 
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Cameron143 said:
The baptism that saves is spiritual and baptizes us into Christ. This is why there is no condemnation to those who are IN Christ Jesus. Water baptism is an outward ordinance signifying an inward reality.
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That's nonsense and not what the scriptures say. Water immersion in the name of Jesus Christ is for the remission of sin, for receiving the gift of the Holy Ghost, and being added to the Lord's body which is his church per Acts 2:38-47. It's nor an outward sign of anything. The Ethiopian eunuch's conversion wad in the middle of nowhere and in the presence of no one except Philip. It wasn't for visuals, but predicated upon belief and obedience as commanded.

Mark 16:15-16

15And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. 16He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Belief + baptism = salvation
 
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studentoftheword said:
So what does that mean ?????????????------if your a born again Christian you have the Holy spirit indwelling In you and through the Holy Spirit you will produce Good fruit -------as a matter of fact you should have a character change right away ------there should be some change in the way you think and act ----after receiving Jesus in your heart -------
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I don't deny that is the case with the true believer. But the same can be mimicked outwardly by the natural man who later falls away as the cares of life choke off what at first seemed genuine.
 
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DJT_47 said:
That's nonsense and not what the scriptures say. Water immersion in the name of Jesus Christ is for the remission of sin, for receiving the gift of the Holy Ghost, and being added to the Lord's body which is his church per Acts 2:38-47. It's nor an outward sign of anything. The Ethiopian eunuch's conversion wad in the middle of nowhere and in the presence of no one except Philip. It wasn't for visuals, but predicated upon belief and obedience as commanded.

Mark 16:15-16

15And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. 16He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Belief + baptism = salvation
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Scripture plus the Holy Spirit brings life.
 
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