Research: Majority of Americans Believe Works Are the Key to Salvation

Sorry, but I don't have any idea what you are trying to say. Please slow down and rephrase this.

And while you are at it, find verses that clearly show that any of the 8 things in my list can be negated.

I dare you.

I give the clear verse Luke 8:6
it say faith may die like a plan growth for some time than die because not enough water
and all the verses in the Bible relate each other.
conclusion must involve all premises not only 8 verses

matt 24:13 must include in the premises

You don't know what is clear.

But I have figured out why you stubbornly refuse to accept clear verses on eternal security. You have brought your opinionated emotions into it. You have showed it by the type of questions you ask. It is clear that certain behaviors are very offensive to you, and in your opinionated emotional state, you transfer that to God, and conclude that since YOU are that offended, then so must He be.

All you've done is LOWER God to YOUR level. That's never a good thing. You have humanized God.

God is so far above man it is incalculable.

The 8 verses PROVE the changes that accompany salvation. If any of the 8 can be lost, along with salvation, there would be a verse saying so.

This verse has nothing to do with soul salvation and avoiding the LOF.

You will never understand Scripture so long as you keep lowering God to YOUR standards.

All your verses is faith require, when faith die like plan die, than no salvation
you lower God standard

ever have faith mean only a second than atheist for the rest of one live is save
it is not bible say
endure to the end

prove to me Matt 24:13 not about salvation

whosoever believe save

you change into who ever believe even only a second and turn to atheist will be save

It's about survival, not the eternal salvation of the soul. If those days were not shortened, no one would survive, not even the elect. On must endure to the end.

22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

That's what you do.

Yes, your poor old emotions keep getting in the way of truth. Jesus said those who get eternal life shall never perish, and YET, you STILL reject what Jesus said.

You don't understand what the Bible says.

I have. Several ways. Why haven't you been paying attention?

I showed what Jesus said about recipients of eternal life. They shall never perish. John 10:28
I showed what Jesus said about WHEN a person possesses eternal life. WHEN they become a believer. John 5:24

I showed that "having believed", the believer is sealed with the Holy Spirit, a deposit GUARANTEEING the believer's inheritance.

I showed from the context that Matt 24:13 is the 7 year tribulation.

Don't stop there. Those who believe POSSESS ETERNAL LIFE.
those who believe shall never perish.
Those who believe are sealed with the Holy Spirit, who GURANTEES their inheritance for the redemption.

Your hypothetical is stupid. No one does that. You're just desperate to hold on to your false doctrine.

The power of the blood of Christ...

So you believe only being believer a second and that person still have 20 year before he die as atheist and save

i don’t understand why Stephen not deny any way his denial not make him unsave

Oyou believe physical save?

for 2000 years no elect survive
if so Paul still alive today, Peter etc

did you ever hear Paul still alive today

So I believe that Jesus said when a person believes, they possess eternal life, AND recipients of eternal life shall never perish.

Why don't you believe what Jesus said?

And why do you continue to give such stupid hypotheticals, that NO ONE does.

No one believes something for "a second".

Seems you don't understand a lot of things.

your understanding are wrong

it doesn’t matter if any one believe a second or not but your definition if one ever believe, no limit time can be an hour or a second than being atheist for the rest of his live still save

must endure to the end of the live

if so why Jesus say if you deny Me I will deny you in front of the Father

if Jesus deny you, say I dont know him can you save?

It is EASY to understand what Jesus said.

In John 5:24 He said that believers POSSESS (have) eternal life. No brainer
In John 10:28 He said that recipients of eternal life shall never perish. No brainer.

Since it is YOU who doesn't believe what Jesus said in these 2 verses, it is YOU who doesn't understand.

You still don't understand or believe what Jesus said. That is where your hang-up is.

This is an addition to Scripture. The context is the 7 year tribulation, and Jesus NEVER said "end of life", as you wrongly do.

He was referring to an acknowledgement in front of His Father. While the believer will be in front of His Father, Jesus won't acknowledge him to His Father. This isn't difficult to grasp.

Since you don't undestand what it means by "denying you", it doesn't matter the answer because you don't even understand the premise.

You won't begin with the clear words of Jesus about eternal security. Instead, you mangle another verse, think that verse is about salvation, which it isn't, and then apply that false notion to the rest of Scripture.

You are therefore unteachable. There is no use or point in answering your questions because of this.

deny Jesus nothing to do with salvation?

if repent before die yes

not repent mean Jesus will say in front of His Father

” Father I don’t know him”

that person will go to hell

I am not perfect but I not use my emotion when read the bible
i try use all premise in the Bible before make conclusion

for example
for salvation need faith

for salvation need endurance

than it mean

for salvation need faith and endure in the faith to the end of your live

if you have vested interest to make it for sinner like me go to heaven than I will ignore or twist Matt 24:13
endure mean stay physically life to the second coming

in this definition no apostle endure

Yes, but only for those who NEVER believed in the first place.

did Janus say “ for those who never believe deny me wii make you lose you salvation but not for those who ever believe”

how people who never believe lose they salvation, they never have salvation

losing something only if one ever have something

you add the word

I agree with FreeGrace2. Your grammar and poor grasp of English make your posts difficult to follow.

I browsed a forum not long ago where a member with the same issue would post a Bible question with, ''can you say me it?''

Was that you?

I apologize for your inconvenient, if you tell me what part you don’t understand let me know

Because we show our faith by our works. If someone merely says-claims they have faith, but lack resulting evidential works, then they demonstrate that they have an empty profession of faith/dead faith and not authentic faith. (James 2:14)

And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them; and they were judged, every man, according to their works.
(Revelation 20:13)

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For believers, our works will determine rewards and loss of rewards at the judgment seat of Christ. (1 Corinthians 3:11-15) For unbelievers, the lost dead, it may very well determine their degree of punishment in hell. Matthew 23:14 - Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you devour widows’ houses, and for a pretense make long prayers. Therefore you will receive greater condemnation.

Even as Abraham “believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.” (Galatians 3:6-7)

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Because he believed God. (Genesis 15:6) Romans 4:2 - For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. 3 For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it (faith, not works) was accounted to him for righteousness.

You foolish person, do you want evidence that faith without deeds is useless?
Was not our father Abraham considered righteous for what he did when he offered his son Isaac on the altar?
You see that his faith and his actions were working together, and his faith was made complete by what he did. And the scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness,” and he was called God’s friend. You see that a person is considered righteous by what they do and not by faith alone.
(James 2:20-24)

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In James 2:20, "faith without works is dead" does not mean that faith is dead until it produces works and then it becomes a living faith or that works are the source of life in faith. That's like saying a tree is dead until it produces fruit and then it becomes a living tree and the fruit is the source of life in the tree. James is simply saying faith that is not accompanied by evidential works demonstrates that it's dead. Again, if someone merely says-claims they have faith, but lack resulting evidential works, then they demonstrate that they have an empty profession of faith/dead faith and not authentic faith. (James 2:14)

In James 2:21, notice closely that James does not say that Abraham's work of offering up Isaac resulted in God's accounting Abraham as righteous. The accounting of Abraham's faith as righteousness was made in Genesis 15:6, many years before his work of offering up Isaac recorded in Genesis 22. The work of Abraham did not have some kind of intrinsic merit to account him as righteous, but it showed or manifested the genuineness of his faith. This is the "sense" in which Abraham was "justified by works." He was shown to be righteous.

In James 2:22, faith made perfect or complete by works means bring to maturity, carry to the end, to complete like love in 1 John 4:18. It doesn't mean that Abraham was finally saved based on merits of his works after he offered up Isaac on the altar in Genesis 22. When Abraham performed the good work in Genesis 22; he fulfilled the expectations created by the pronouncement of his faith in Genesis 15:6.

In James 2:23, the scripture was fulfilled in vindicating or demonstrating that Abraham believed God and was accounted as righteous. Abraham was accounted as righteous based on his faith (Genesis 15:6) not his works (Romans 4:2-3) long before he offered up Isaac on the altar in Genesis 22.

In James 2:24, James is not using the word "justified" here to mean "accounted as righteous" but is shown to be righteous. James is discussing the evidence of faith (says-claims to have faith but has no works/I will show you my faith by my works - James 2:14-18) and not the initial act of being accounted as righteous with God. (Romans 4:2-3) Works bear out the justification that already came by faith.

In the Strong's Exhaustive Concordance of the Bible, the Greek word for justified "dikaioo" #1344 is:

1. to render righteous or such he ought to be
2. to show, exhibit, evince, one to be righteous, such as he is and wishes himself to be considered
3. to declare, pronounce, one to be just, righteous, or such as he ought to be

In Matthew 12:37, we read - "For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned." This is because our words (and our works) reveal the condition of our hearts. Words/works are evidences for, or against a man being in a state of righteousness.

God is said to have been justified by those who were baptized by John the Baptist (Luke 7:29). This act pronounced or declared God to be righteous. It did not make him righteous. The basis or ground for the pronouncement was the fact that God IS righteous. Notice that the NIV reads, "acknowledged that God's way was right.." The ESV reads, "they declared God just.." This is the sense in which God was "justified." He was shown to be righteous.

Matthew 11:19 "The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and they say, 'Behold, a gluttonous man and a drunkard, a friend of tax-gatherers and sinners!' Yet wisdom is justified/vindicated/shown to be right by her deeds."

the "copycat" syndrome is extremely powerful! how quickly & easy it is for people to follow someone else's beliefs because the person is famous & or popular or known in the local community. Jesus wants to be able to tell us something once & we believe Him. & if something doesn't require any work & sounds good, it's very easy to believe in. the truth is Ephesians chapter 2 verses 8,9, & 10 say it all! "for ye are SAVED BY GRACE thru faith & that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God. AND NOT OF WORKS lest any man boast. for we are His workmanship created in Christ Jesus unto good works which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them"!!!