Do you believe this ?

“For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread: and when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.

After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.

(pauls conclusion )

For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.

Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup. For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.

For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep. For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged. But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭11:23-32‬ ‭

soften we hear things we don’t already believe about a subject like this.

maybe you have never considered communion to have any real significance to our faith but does scripture like this suggest that it’s an important matter to us who believe ?

alive heard a lot about how communion and baptism at irrelevant rituals but are we supposed to dismiss what the Bible teaches us things mean ? Or are we supposed to hear what it says things mean and believe and act in that belief ?

maybe taking communion would mean something if we heard what scripture says it means to believers in Jesus dying for our sins ? Giving his body and blood which he said to do something in remembrance of him until he returned just before he gave his life for us

maybe if we were more strict to making sure what scripture says about each subject we would understand it better and have more complete faith ?

Just a consideration maybe things like communion and baptism mean what the Bible says they mean to us , and if we began to believe what we learn those things mean our faith would grow a lot

maybe communion is important maybe baptism is important and maybe the Bible makes it really clear

“For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread: and when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.

After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.

(pauls conclusion )

For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.

Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup. For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.

For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep. For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged. But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭11:23-32‬ ‭

soften we hear things we don’t already believe about a subject like this.

maybe you have never considered communion to have any real significance to our faith but does scripture like this suggest that it’s an important matter to us who believe ?

alive heard a lot about how communion and baptism at irrelevant rituals but are we supposed to dismiss what the Bible teaches us things mean ? Or are we supposed to hear what it says things mean and believe and act in that belief ?

maybe taking communion would mean something if we heard what scripture says it means to believers in Jesus dying for our sins ? Giving his body and blood which he said to do something in remembrance of him until he returned just before he gave his life for us

maybe if we were more strict to making sure what scripture says about each subject we would understand it better and have more complete faith ?

Just a consideration maybe things like communion and baptism mean what the Bible says they mean to us , and if we began to believe what we learn those things mean our faith would grow a lot

maybe communion is important maybe baptism is important and maybe the Bible makes it really clear

yes

i don't take communion when i am convicted that there are things between me and God that i haven't conceded to. i take it seriously, because of this passage, and i will 'leave my gift at the altar' and go try to be reconciled with Him before i do myself harm by partaking in something i am not in the right spirit to do.

along the same lines i've been often convicted over posting in these forums when i am not in a clear mind focused on glorifying God and edifying others - many times what i have written shouldn't have been said and did more harm than good, and i wish i would keep myself from adding to threads when i have nothing worthy of His calling to say.

do you take regular communion of eating the bread and drinking the wine at church ?.

I's it a weekly confession for some each week or is just a symbolic act of remembrance.

Do some people believe that when a church leader gives you the bread to eat and the wine to drink Jesus comes to examine you.
Or that it washes your sins clean each week when you take part in communion.

I don't know exactly how it works.

wel what I do brother is listen to scripture and ask God about it

so im looking at it like this ( only my own understanding and belief )

This is central to our Christian faith

“For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

and that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭15:3-4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

communion became related to that here just before Jesus went to the cross willingly laying his earthly life ( flesh and blood ) down for our sins

“And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me.

Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭22:19-20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Jesus is saying to get together and partake of the bread representing his body together as a group and to also drink of the cup representing his blood together for the purpose of keeping his sacrifice always at the front of our minds

faith works by what God said so hey Paul is talking about is hat they were all coming there together to eat because they were hungry and wanted to meet and eat food and get drink on wine but he’s actually scolding them telling them that’s not a worthy way to take communion see if you look at the pretext

“For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it. For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you. When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's supper. For in eating every one taketh before other his own supper: and one is hungry, and another is drunken. What? have ye not houses to eat and to drink in? or despise ye the church of God, and shame them that have not? What shall I say to you? shall I praise you in this? I praise you not.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭11:18-22‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Paul is actually pretty furious it seems hes teling them when they come together and they are divided and arguing and bickering when they come to eat food not waiting for each other to eat together and to get drunk that’s not the lords supper it’s actually condemning them because they aren’t doing it in a worthy manner among the group

ashen you take of th bread it’s meant to be done as one group nd reflecting as one on Jesus sacrifice the same with the cup all are meant to be reflecting upon the body and blood and eating together as one in faith

hes addressing the whole group is the reason he’s even brought it up they were not honoring the lords sacrifice with thier supper but we’re just hungry and wanted to party he’s telling then as a group they need to do it right and honor what Jesus said to do it for

a and it’s not a personal address to the man but the group of that makes sense and helps at all

“For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread: and when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.

After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.

(pauls conclusion )

For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.

Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup. For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.

For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep. For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged. But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭11:23-32‬ ‭

soften we hear things we don’t already believe about a subject like this.

maybe you have never considered communion to have any real significance to our faith but does scripture like this suggest that it’s an important matter to us who believe ?

alive heard a lot about how communion and baptism at irrelevant rituals but are we supposed to dismiss what the Bible teaches us things mean ? Or are we supposed to hear what it says things mean and believe and act in that belief ?

maybe taking communion would mean something if we heard what scripture says it means to believers in Jesus dying for our sins ? Giving his body and blood which he said to do something in remembrance of him until he returned just before he gave his life for us

maybe if we were more strict to making sure what scripture says about each subject we would understand it better and have more complete faith ?

Just a consideration maybe things like communion and baptism mean what the Bible says they mean to us , and if we began to believe what we learn those things mean our faith would grow a lot

maybe communion is important maybe baptism is important and maybe the Bible makes it really clear

The Great Schism between the Catholic Church and the Eastern Orthodox Church. Took place over whether the bread we break is leavened or unleavened bread. There were three points of contention and the type of bread we break was one of the three points.

So everyone now is wondering, am I eating leavened or unleavened bread?

Hmmmmmmmm.

“For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread: and when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.

After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.

(pauls conclusion )

For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.

Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup. For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.

For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep. For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged. But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭11:23-32‬ ‭

soften we hear things we don’t already believe about a subject like this.

maybe you have never considered communion to have any real significance to our faith but does scripture like this suggest that it’s an important matter to us who believe ?

alive heard a lot about how communion and baptism at irrelevant rituals but are we supposed to dismiss what the Bible teaches us things mean ? Or are we supposed to hear what it says things mean and believe and act in that belief ?

maybe taking communion would mean something if we heard what scripture says it means to believers in Jesus dying for our sins ? Giving his body and blood which he said to do something in remembrance of him until he returned just before he gave his life for us

maybe if we were more strict to making sure what scripture says about each subject we would understand it better and have more complete faith ?

Just a consideration maybe things like communion and baptism mean what the Bible says they mean to us , and if we began to believe what we learn those things mean our faith would grow a lot

maybe communion is important maybe baptism is important and maybe the Bible makes it really clear

Bot really! It was the filoque clause that separated the RCC & the Orthodox Church!

I just googled this, and it is listed as a cause. I studied this in church history and in theology. Here is what I learned.

"The primary causes of the Schism were disputes over papal authority—the Pope claimed he held authority over the four Eastern Greek-speaking patriarchs, and over the insertion of the filioque clause into the Nicene Creed."

https://www.cs.mcgill.ca/~rwest/wikispeedia/wpcd/wp/e/East-West_Schism.htm#:~:text=The primary causes of the,clause into the Nicene Creed.

A more detailed account is found in a Wikipedia entry, which corresponds to what I learned.

"Filioque, Latin for "and (from) the Son", was added in Western Christianity to the Latin text of the Nicene-Constantinopolitan Creed, which also varies from the original Greek text in having the additional phrase Deum de Deo (God from God)[47][48] and in using the singular "I believe" (Latin, Credo, Greek Πιστεύω) instead of the original "We believe" (Greek Πιστεύομεν),[48] which Oriental Orthodoxy preserves.[c] The Assyrian Church of the East, which is in communion neither with the Eastern Orthodox Church nor with Oriental Orthodoxy, uses "We believe".[53]
Filioque states that the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Son as well as from the Father, a doctrine accepted by the Catholic Church,[54] by Anglicanism[55] and by Protestant churches in general.[d] Christians of these groups generally include it when reciting the Nicene Creed. Nonetheless, these groups recognize that Filioque is not part of the original text established at the First Council of Constantinople in 381,[59]and they do not demand that others too should use it when saying the Creed.[60] Indeed, the Catholic Church does not add the phrase corresponding to Filioque (καὶ τοῦ Υἱοῦ) to the Greek text of the Creed, even in the liturgy for Latin Rite Catholics.[61]
At the 879–880 Council of Constantinople the Eastern Orthodox Church anathematized the Filioque phrase, "as a novelty and augmentation of the Creed", and in their 1848 encyclical the Eastern Patriarchs spoke of it as a heresy.[62] It was qualified as such by some of the Eastern Orthodox Church's saints, including Photios I of Constantinople, Mark of Ephesus, and Gregory Palamas, who have been called the Three Pillars of Orthodoxy. The Eastern church believes by the Western church inserting the Filioque unilaterally (without consulting or holding council with the East) into the Creed, that the Western Church broke communion with the East."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/East–West_Schism

Theological speaking, the filioque clause is by far the most important cause of the Schism.

wel what I do brother is listen to scripture and ask God about it

so im looking at it like this ( only my own understanding and belief )

This is central to our Christian faith

“For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

and that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭15:3-4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

communion became related to that here just before Jesus went to the cross willingly laying his earthly life ( flesh and blood ) down for our sins

“And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me.

Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭22:19-20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Jesus is saying to get together and partake of the bread representing his body together as a group and to also drink of the cup representing his blood together for the purpose of keeping his sacrifice always at the front of our minds

faith works by what God said so hey Paul is talking about is hat they were all coming there together to eat because they were hungry and wanted to meet and eat food and get drink on wine but he’s actually scolding them telling them that’s not a worthy way to take communion see if you look at the pretext

“For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it. For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you. When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's supper. For in eating every one taketh before other his own supper: and one is hungry, and another is drunken. What? have ye not houses to eat and to drink in? or despise ye the church of God, and shame them that have not? What shall I say to you? shall I praise you in this? I praise you not.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭11:18-22‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Paul is actually pretty furious it seems hes teling them when they come together and they are divided and arguing and bickering when they come to eat food not waiting for each other to eat together and to get drunk that’s not the lords supper it’s actually condemning them because they aren’t doing it in a worthy manner among the group

ashen you take of th bread it’s meant to be done as one group nd reflecting as one on Jesus sacrifice the same with the cup all are meant to be reflecting upon the body and blood and eating together as one in faith

hes addressing the whole group is the reason he’s even brought it up they were not honoring the lords sacrifice with thier supper but we’re just hungry and wanted to party he’s telling then as a group they need to do it right and honor what Jesus said to do it for

a and it’s not a personal address to the man but the group of that makes sense and helps at all

I have found the breaking of bread and drinking of the grape one of the most important things we can partake of/ Someone mention about doing so in a unworthy manner. I myself when especially in a strange church take my own unleaven bread, for leaven represents sin. Taking communion with leaven bread is saying the Lord was sinful. Ignorance does not make things right.

Bot really! It was the filoque clause that separated the RCC & the Orthodox Church!

I just googled this, and it is listed as a cause. I studied this in church history and in theology. Here is what I learned.

"The primary causes of the Schism were disputes over papal authority—the Pope claimed he held authority over the four Eastern Greek-speaking patriarchs, and over the insertion of the filioque clause into the Nicene Creed."

https://www.cs.mcgill.ca/~rwest/wikispeedia/wpcd/wp/e/East-West_Schism.htm#:~:text=The primary causes of the,clause into the Nicene Creed.

A more detailed account is found in a Wikipedia entry, which corresponds to what I learned.

"Filioque, Latin for "and (from) the Son", was added in Western Christianity to the Latin text of the Nicene-Constantinopolitan Creed, which also varies from the original Greek text in having the additional phrase Deum de Deo (God from God)[47][48] and in using the singular "I believe" (Latin, Credo, Greek Πιστεύω) instead of the original "We believe" (Greek Πιστεύομεν),[48] which Oriental Orthodoxy preserves.[c] The Assyrian Church of the East, which is in communion neither with the Eastern Orthodox Church nor with Oriental Orthodoxy, uses "We believe".[53]
Filioque states that the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Son as well as from the Father, a doctrine accepted by the Catholic Church,[54] by Anglicanism[55] and by Protestant churches in general.[d] Christians of these groups generally include it when reciting the Nicene Creed. Nonetheless, these groups recognize that Filioque is not part of the original text established at the First Council of Constantinople in 381,[59]and they do not demand that others too should use it when saying the Creed.[60] Indeed, the Catholic Church does not add the phrase corresponding to Filioque (καὶ τοῦ Υἱοῦ) to the Greek text of the Creed, even in the liturgy for Latin Rite Catholics.[61]
At the 879–880 Council of Constantinople the Eastern Orthodox Church anathematized the Filioque phrase, "as a novelty and augmentation of the Creed", and in their 1848 encyclical the Eastern Patriarchs spoke of it as a heresy.[62] It was qualified as such by some of the Eastern Orthodox Church's saints, including Photios I of Constantinople, Mark of Ephesus, and Gregory Palamas, who have been called the Three Pillars of Orthodoxy. The Eastern church believes by the Western church inserting the Filioque unilaterally (without consulting or holding council with the East) into the Creed, that the Western Church broke communion with the East."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/East–West_Schism

Theological speaking, the filioque clause is by far the most important cause of the Schism.

Angela, you are correct!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The Filique clause in the Creed was a major factor in the schism between the RCC and Orthodox Churches, along with other frictions. The Filique clause reads, "We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life, who proceeds from the Father and the Son. "

The Orthodox Churches believed that the Spirit only came from the Father and not from Jesus. However, it's very clear that the Holy Spirit also proceeds from Jesus. One proof, when Jesus appeared to the Apostles after His resurrection, He breathed the Spirit onto them. John 20:22

yes of course great insight and knowledge also wisdom attached to this to,
I wouldn't want to say anything else than I truly respect where your coming from.
That is the act it's self is thought of to truly honour God with your honour and appreciation to come together as one in the same manner,

I'm sure where suppose to honour each other the same way to.

Do we have to go to church to partake in this type of communion eating of the bread and wine that is to truly practice this honour and carry it into places like here.

The Great Schism between the Catholic Church and the Eastern Orthodox Church. Took place over whether the bread we break is leavened or unleavened bread. There were three points of contention and the type of bread we break was one of the three points.

So everyone now is wondering, am I eating leavened or unleavened bread?

Hmmmmmmmm.

Myself, I take these things very seriously. I found a church that does as well.
I am glad that do take these serious as well.

Pilgrimshope, you raise very important points and questions. The same questions/points were raised in the Gospel of John's, 'Bread of Life Discourse', John 6. Many heard the message you are posting, 2,000 years ago and walked away from Jesus.


I am the bread of life.
Your ancestors ate the manna in the desert, but they died; this is the bread that comes down from heaven so that one may eat it and not die. I am the living bread that came down from heaven; whoever eats this bread will live forever; and the bread that I will give is my flesh for the life of the world.”

The Jews quarreled among themselves, saying, “How can this man give us [his] flesh to eat?” Jesus said to them, “Amen, amen, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you.

Whoever eats* my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him on the last day. For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me and I in him.
Just as the living Father sent me and I have life because of the Father, so also the one who feeds on me will have life because of me.

This is the bread that came down from heaven. Unlike your ancestors who ate and still died, whoever eats this bread will live forever.” These things he said while teaching in the synagogue in Capernaum.

The Words of Eternal Life.*
Then many of his disciples who were listening said, “This saying is hard; who can accept it?”
Since Jesus knew that his disciples were murmuring about this, he said to them, “Does this shock you? What if you were to see the Son of Man ascending to where he was before?*

It is the spirit that gives life, while the flesh* is of no avail. The words I have spoken to you are spirit and life.
But there are some of you who do not believe.” Jesus knew from the beginning the ones who would not believe and the one who would betray him. And he said, “For this reason I have told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by my Father.”

As a result of this, many [of] his disciples returned to their former way of life and no longer accompanied him.
Jesus then said to the Twelve, “Do you also want to leave?” Simon Peter answered him, “Master, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life. We have come to believe and are convinced that you are the Holy One of God.”d