The Chosen

The_Watchers_2017 · Jun 5, 2023

There's Catholic influence on Passion of the Christ, but I bet you enjoy that movie.
Catholics believing in Mary, is no different, than Chosen having financial backing from Mormons, who think Jesus and Lucifer are Satan.

Even still, there's a difference between SEEING CATHOLIC influence in Passion of Christ and only KNOWING Chosen has Mormon financial backing but No Mormonism in the Actual SHOW itself.

I don't think you know enough, to even know, you don't have an argument here.

Big difference in SEEING something on Screen versus Hearing about Mormon Finances but we DO NOT EVER SEE Mormon views in the Show itself!

tobewholeagain · Jun 5, 2023

WHY THEY WERE CHOSEN
(Deu 7:6 KJV) For thou art a holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.
(Deu 7:7 KJV) The LORD did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people:
(Deu 7:12 KJV) Wherefore it shall come to pass, if ye hearken to these judgments, and keep, and do them, that the LORD thy God shall keep unto thee the covenant and the mercy which he swore unto thy fathers:
(Deu 7:13 KJV) And he will love thee, and bless thee, and multiply thee: he will also bless the fruit of thy womb, and the fruit of thy land, thy corn, and thy wine, and thine oil, the increase of thy kin, and the flocks of thy sheep, in the land which he sware unto thy fathers to give thee.
(Lev 19:34 KJV) But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God

They were chosen to show us the way, to show us how to treat the stranger, how to be compassionate and loving to your neighbor and by doing so peace would envelope the world.

(Mal 3:5 KJV) And I will come near to you to judgment; and I will be a swift witness against the sorcerers, and against the adulterers, and against false swearers, and against those that oppress the hireling in his wages, the widow, and the fatherless, and that turn aside the stranger from his right, and fear not me, saith the LORD of hosts.
(Deu 1:16 KJV) And I charged your judges at that time, saying, Hear the causes between your brethren, and judge righteously between every man and his brother, and the stranger that is with him.
(Deu 24:19 KJV) When thou cuttest down thine harvest in thy field, and hast forgot a sheaf in the field, thou shalt not go again to fetch it: it shall be for the stranger, for the fatherless, and for the widow: that the LORD thy God may bless thee in all the work of thine hands.
(Deu 24:20 KJV) When thou beatest thine olive tree, thou shalt not go over the boughs again: it shall be for the stranger, for the fatherless, and for the widow.
(Deu 24:21 KJV) When thou gatherest the grapes of thy vineyard, thou shalt not glean it afterward: it shall be for the stranger, for the fatherless, and for the widow
(Ezek 22:7 KJV) In thee have they set light by father and mother: in the midst of thee have they dealt by oppression with the stranger: in thee have they vexed the fatherless and the widow.
(Exo 22:21 KJV) Thou shalt neither vex a stranger, nor oppress him: for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt.
(Exo 23:9 KJV) Also thou shalt not oppress a stranger: for ye know the heart of a stranger, seeing ye were strangers in the land of Egypt.
(Lev 19:34 KJV) But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.
(Lev 25:35 KJV) And if thy brother be waxen poor, and fallen in decay with thee; then thou shalt relieve him: yea, though he be a stranger, or a sojourner; that he may live with thee.
(Jer 14:8 KJV) O the hope of Israel, the saviour thereof in time of trouble, why shouldest thou be as a stranger in the land, and as a wayfaring man that turneth aside to tarry for a night?
(Ezek 36:17 KJV) Son of man, when the house of Israel dwelt in their own land, they defiled it by their ..own way and by their doings: their way was before me as the uncleanness of a removed woman.
(Ezek 36:18 KJV) Wherefore I poured my fury upon them for the blood that they had shed upon the land, and for their idols wherewith they had polluted it.
(Ezek 36:22 KJV) Therefore say unto the house of Israel, Thus saith the Lord GOD; I do not this for your sakes, O house of Israel, but for mine holy name's sake, which ye have profaned among the heathen, whither ye went.
(Ezek 36:24 KJV) For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land.
(Ezek 36:31 KJV) Then shall ye remember your own evil ways, and your doings that were not good, and shall loathe yourselves in your own sight for your iniquities and for your abominations.
(Ezek 36:32 KJV) Not for your sakes do I this, saith the Lord GOD, be it known unto you: be ashamed and confounded for your own ways, O house of Israel.
(Ezekiel 21:32 (ASV) Thou shalt be for fuel to the fire; thy blood shall be in the midst of the land; thou shalt be no more remembered: for I, Jehovah, have spoken it.

Note: the term "stranger" is referenced 128 times in the Bible

Magenta · Jun 5, 2023

Beckie said:

Yes, I listened to that part just now... I got close to that earlier, but my power has been out for a while
and just came back on. Dallas specifically says about certain LDS, those he has known for years and
knows very intimately after hours and hours of conversation, that yes, they believe in the same Jesus
that he does. I think he knows those particular people's beliefs better than you or I or anybody else here.
And that would not be much different at all than me or anybody else saying I/they know some Catholics
very well who believe in the same Jesus I do. Are they in a religious system that teaches egregious error?
Absolutely. That does not necessarily rule out them knowing Jesus, or knowing Jesus in the same way and
as the same Person as anybody else. Dallas is not broad brushing people. He is treating them as individuals.

I commend him for that.

HeIsHere · Jun 5, 2023

Ted01 said:

Theological/biblical errors and the promotion/affirmation of sin embedded in a movement.

Jesus is not a god from another planet.

Magenta · Jun 5, 2023

HeIsHere said:

Logical fallacy: guilt by association. Welp, we're all guilty of that one.

Magenta · Jun 5, 2023

Eli1 said:

I read the rules (very long read!) and thought, Jeepers, I can't even say jeepers? LOL

HeIsHere · Jun 5, 2023

The_Watchers_2017 said:

There's Catholic influence on Passion of the Christ, but I bet you enjoy that movie.
Catholics believing in Mary, is no different, than Chosen having financial backing from Mormons, who think Jesus and Lucifer are Satan.

Even still, there's a difference between SEEING CATHOLIC influence in Passion of Christ and only KNOWING Chosen has Mormon financial backing but No Mormonism in the Actual SHOW itself.

I don't think you know enough, to even know, you don't have an argument here.

Big difference in SEEING something on Screen versus Hearing about Mormon Finances but we DO NOT EVER SEE Mormon views in the Show itself!

Does having Jesus in the movie quote from the book of Mormon count?

Eli1 · Jun 5, 2023

Magenta said:

I think i've mentioned this before but i like the management of this site which is moderate and well-balanced to allow different points of view for a nice exchange of ideas. I know they don't like Catholics very much and honestly from the posts of a few users who claimed to be Catholics, they don't represent their religion very well either, so i would also ban them if given the option. LOL.

But there is a fine line between an echo chamber and a well-balanced forum and this one here seems like it has the right balance to me. I've ran forums myself over the years and it's not an easy task, so I gave up.

Magenta · Jun 5, 2023

HeIsHere said:

Neither is Jesus depicted that way in the series.

Ted01 · Jun 5, 2023

HeIsHere said:

Sorry... that's still seems a little vague, perhaps I'm not in a right mind to write well.
Did you mean the sins/errors of nonbelievers or believers?
I also don't understand what "movement(s)" you might be referring to.

Magenta · Jun 5, 2023

HeIsHere said:

What is said by the character portraying Jesus in The Chosen: “I am the law of Moses.”

Book of Mormon verse, 3 Nephi 15:9, reads, “Behold, I am the law, and the light. Look unto me,
and endure to the end, and ye shall live; for unto him that endureth to the end will I give eternal life.”

In a video earlier this week, The Chosen’s director and creator
Dallas Jenkins addressed the topic of where the line came from.

“It’s not a direct quote,” Jenkins said. “It wasn’t referring to the law of Moses in that quote. ... And I have
never read the Book of Mormon, to be honest with you. … When someone told me, ‘Hey, that’s from the
Book of Mormon,’ I was like, ‘OK,’ and I went and looked it up. … It’s a cool line. … It’s in the show because
I believe it’s a really great line, and I believe that it’s also theologically plausible. ... The point is God is over
these things. Jesus is over these things. He is these things. He owns these things. They came from him.
Jesus makes many ‘I am’ statements and is called the ‘Great I Am.’ So no, I didn’t pull this quote from
anywhere else. ... It’s a theologically plausible line and, I believe, a cool, Jesus-as-king moment, and that’s it.”

source

Again I suggest you make use of a search engine.

Genipher · Jun 5, 2023

Beckie said:

This sounds familiar. Didn't the Pharisees sorta "freak out" when Jesus ate with publicans and sinners? (Mark 2:16)

Oh, and when the woman washed Jesus' feet with her tears and the Pharisee "...spake within himself, saying, This man, if he were a prophet, would have known who and what manner of woman this is that toucheth him: for she is a sinner." (Luke 7:39)

We're supposed to be like Jesus (1 John 2:6, 1 Corinthians 11:1) and He spent "hours" upon hours with sinners. Would you say he was wrong? That we should walk in His steps but ignore this aspect of His ministry?

Funny to me that the things the Pharisees condemned Jesus for -- spending time with sinners -- are still being used as an argument against Christians.

HeIsHere · Jun 5, 2023

Genipher said:

This sounds familiar. Didn't the Pharisees sorta "freak out" when Jesus ate with publicans and sinners? (Mark 2:16)

Oh, and when the woman washed Jesus' feet with her tears and the Pharisee "...spake within himself, saying, This man, if he were a prophet, would have known who and what manner of woman this is that toucheth him: for she is a sinner." (Luke 7:39)

We're supposed to be like Jesus (1 John 2:6, 1 Corinthians 11:1) and He spent "hours" upon hours with sinners. Would you say he was wrong? That we should walk in His steps but ignore this aspect of His ministry?

Funny to me that the things the Pharisees condemned Jesus for -- spending time with sinners -- are still being used as an argument against Christians.

It is not the authentic Jesus that is portrayed in the series.
The real Jesus had an agenda based on truth and love.
He corrected error he did not affirm/accept it.

HeIsHere · Jun 5, 2023

Ted01 said:

Theological/biblical errors being presented whether believer or not.
The movement behind the flag see this thread > "The Chosen flies the gay pride flag on the set"

Beckie · Jun 5, 2023

Magenta said:

He has had time to to back track what he first said. This does not change my thoughts on the program . It lets us know why we are not to be unequally yoked . Have you ever researched what the LDS believes and teaches... The best resources are the the book of mormon and their writings.

Ted01 · Jun 5, 2023

HeIsHere said:

Okay, will do...

It just makes me a bit nervous when folks think that's it's a Christians job to point out sin in unbelievers lives. I think Scripture tells us not to do that.

Giving correction and misunderstandings, maybe.
Perhaps I've misunderstood... sorry again.

Beckie · Jun 5, 2023

Genipher said:

This sounds familiar. Didn't the Pharisees sorta "freak out" when Jesus ate with publicans and sinners? (Mark 2:16)

Oh, and when the woman washed Jesus' feet with her tears and the Pharisee "...spake within himself, saying, This man, if he were a prophet, would have known who and what manner of woman this is that toucheth him: for she is a sinner." (Luke 7:39)

We're supposed to be like Jesus (1 John 2:6, 1 Corinthians 11:1) and He spent "hours" upon hours with sinners. Would you say he was wrong? That we should walk in His steps but ignore this aspect of His ministry?

Funny to me that the things the Pharisees condemned Jesus for -- spending time with sinners -- are still being used as an argument against Christians.

The problem is saying he and them absolutely love the same Jesus. Seems to me he either doesn't know what the LDS teaches or he does not care.

HeIsHere · Jun 5, 2023

Ted01 said:

I absolutely agree and this happened to two people on here today, a new member who will probably leave Christian Chat.

I think if a person is accused of "bearing false witness" that is pointing out someone's sin and it should not happen.

HeIsHere · Jun 5, 2023

Beckie said:

Listen to his podcasts seems to me he knows.

Magenta · Jun 5, 2023

Beckie said:

I am well aware of some of their beliefs through research. They are almost as
out there as Scientology .

. I would never read their book of Mormon.

Dallas was speaking of specific people he knows. Do you believe everything your church teaches? .

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