Hebrews 6

Its clear in Heb 6 there are some that can fall away. Hmm but to even try to touch that we must back up to Heb 6 1 "Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God"

One has to be eating meat not still drinking milk to even try to understand what the spirit of God is going to say next. In all of this he (Paul) tell us just who he is talking about. Yes I believe a baby in Christ can fall walk away yet still be saved. But to take someone like say one of the Apostles who then fully reject Jesus Christ death resurrection the only way to the Father. To bring them back to repentance is impossible for they do not want to come back. The word "once" means they were but are not now. So to dive in and speak on each verse and then comparing to other scriptures oh that right there huge.. then to break down what some of those words mean in say Heb 6 verses other places in the word of God might be and are different blah blah blah. I went back and searched again. I just don't do this any more. Some get so offended and hurt and can cause more damage.

So no one should worry about losing your salvation for Heb 6 is not talking about someone that sins or stuck in sin but those that know Him and fully reject Him and do not believe it any more they do not want to repent. Yeah... that is so hard to understand huh. So no offense but to much haha I just pictured meat and milk getting toss around. Looks fun don't get me wrong but.. ooh what a mess...Its why I am out of here.. not cleaning this up! Just playing

yes I get that, but we are told to prove ourselves by Paul.

your very first verse [1] says literally "who walk not after the flesh".

Yes, Paul says "...work out OUR OWN salvation..." which refers to "walking in fellowship
with The LORD," after God Establishes an Eternal Relationship With Him!
Big Differences; more is here:

Grace, Peace, And JOY!

Amen.

Yes, it does say that, but they who "walk not after the flesh" don't, not because of their works or actions (or the lack thereof), but only because the Spirit of God was sent to dwell within them. Notice that the recipient does nothing for it, but that He is given to them as a gift.

[Rom 5:5 KJV]
5 And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.

[Rom 8:9-11 KJV]
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 And if Christ [be] in you, the body [is] dead because of sin; but the Spirit [is] life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.


[2Co 1:21-22 KJV] 21
Now he which stablisheth us with you in Christ, and hath anointed us, [is] God;
22 Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.

[1Jo 4:13 KJV] 13 Hereby know we that we dwell in him, and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit.

[1Co 12:13 KJV] 13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether [we be] Jews or Gentiles, whether [we be] bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

Amen! And, Furthermore, Under God's Pure Grace, Today, According To God's Eternal
Salvation, The Blessed Holy Spirit Never 'leaves' us:

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[ Why do most find it so 'difficult' to understand God's Earnest, and
HIS 'Ownership' Of what HE Has Purchased With His Precious BLOOD ? ]

But, if we fail/sin and "walk in the flesh" [ sadly ] out of fellowship with
The LORD, His Spirit [ Eternally ] Dwelling within is "grieved or even quenched':
Excellent reasons to continue "walking In The Spirit," Correct?

Amen.

You have posted a bunch of verses with the verse numbers on them. But not the book or the chapter! How on earth is anyone supposed to know what you are quoting? No, I am not going to try and find them all. Your job is to make the post as readable for the audience as possible. It is unreadable, because the addresses are incomplete. It is impossible to know the context of the verses, without knowing where they are from.

Try starting again, and make sure you put the book and chapter, besides the verse numbers.

As for:

"A person can lose salvation if they do not act Christlike being led by the Spirit." you did not quote the book, chapter or verse. I know you just made this up, because the bible never says this. We are never perfect in this earth. I was told that if I was not perfect, I would lose my salvation for many years as a new Christian. It left me crippled, and fearful. I know people today who are not sure if they are saved, based on their knowledge of their own sin. How liberating to realize that God took all that sin, past, present and future on him at Calvary, on the cross. Yes, we do need to confess our sins, but God is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

"If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness." 1 John 1:9.


God does not condemn us, in Christ.

"Therefore, no condemnation now exists for those in Christ Jesus," Romans 8:1. Read all of Romans 8. Paul ends with the most amazing treatise on how NOTHING can separate us from the love of God.

"What then are we to say about these things?
If God is for us, who is against us?
32 He did not even spare His own Son
but offered Him up for us all;
how will He not also with Him grant us everything?
33 Who can bring an accusation against God’s elect?
God is the One who justifies.
34 Who is the one who condemns?
Christ Jesus is the One who died,
but even more, has been raised;
He also is at the right hand of God
and intercedes for us.
35 Who can separate us from the love of Christ?
Can affliction or anguish or persecution
or famine or nakedness or danger or sword?
36 As it is written:
Because of You
we are being put to death all day long;
we are counted as sheep to be slaughtered.
37 No, in all these things we are more than victorious
through Him who loved us.
38 For I am persuaded that not even death or life,
angels or rulers,
things present or things to come, hostile powers,
39 height or depth, or any other created thing
will have the power to separate us
from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord!" Romans 8:31-39

I do not refrain from sin because I am afraid of God. I do not stop sinning because of losing my salvation & going to hell! Never!

I turn away from sin, because I love Jesus Christ. I obey his commands with joy, because he has saved me and given me the gift of salvation! My heart wants to please God. I've met the King of the universe, my whole being wants to follow him.

In following Christ, all the entanglements with the world fall away. The Holy Spirit leads and guides me away from temptation and deeper into obedience.

I want to not sin, because Jesus has saved me from a life filled with evil, sadness and pain. Serving God is the highest calling! With the power of the Holy Spirit, I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me!

I don't fear hell & death, because God has conquered them on the cross, through the death of Jesus Christ. God has proven his power over death by the Resurrection. Praise to God, who causes us to triumph through our Lord Jesus Christ!

Psalm 37:28 - For the Lord loves justice, And does not forsake His saints; They are preserved forever, But the descendants of the wicked shall be cut off.

Jude 1:1 - Jude, a bondservant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to those who are called, sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ.

Proving yourself doesn't cause you to stay saved. Paul doesn't say that it does.

We are saved by grace through faith.

The definition of faith is where these debates often boil down to. Is faith a work? Is it required of the believer as in within their own will?

So you must examine the scriptures that speak on abiding, faitfulness, remain, don't fall away or apostate. Then examine the warnings that come with those passages. God is logic and doesn't contradict Himself in His Word. You do not warn believers not to go after false teachers if it wasn't an issue.

To fall away- parapíptō ("fallen from a close position") refers to a close-follower of Christ who becomes a defector. It suggests this person (at least at one time) was a believer

It is evident that Pharoah hardened his heart to no return, King Saul reached a place of no return but we must be careful as these are a few examples that God can harden someone into judgment or like Saul they can fall away into God's judgment.

Is it impossible for some to be renewed again? Maybe. But it could also mean as long as they live in that rejection it is impossible for them to be renewed which is like stating the obvious. It also seems to imply that now tasting the heavenly gift which means they consumed enough to know what they are rejecting. It is like crucifying Jesus all over again. Ouch!

God's love is unconditional but salvation is conditional. There are conditions that must be met or as the KJV puts it an earnest agreement. God has paid it all upfront and the only responsibility of the other party (human) is to remain faithful. Remain faithful to what? Jesus Christ.

Does this eliminate eternal security? No. In context for the believer who is faithful unto the end has the promise of eternal security. For the faithful, they need not doubt that the crown of life awaits.


Revelation 2:10
King James Version

10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.

(Here is a warning to the early church of coming persecution but they are reminded if they remain faithful unto death they will gain the crown of life.)


Matthew 24:13
King James Version

13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

(Here is Jesus speaking prophetically of both a near future event and the end times in typical prophetic language)

James 1:12
King James Version

12 Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.

(For those who resist the temptations to leave the faith, they shall receive the crown of life which is promised to them)

2 Timothy 4:8
King James Version

8 Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing.

(Laid up for me= future
Give me at that day= future)

Run the race so that you may win the crown.


1 Corinthians 9:24-27
English Standard Version

24 Do you not know that in a race all the runners run, but only one receives the prize? So run that you may obtain it. 25 Every athlete exercises self-control in all things. They do it to receive a perishable wreath, but we an imperishable. 26 So I do not run aimlessly; I do not box as one beating the air. 27 But I discipline my body and keep it under control, lest after preaching to others I myself should be disqualified.

All of the requirements of salvation were satisfied in/by Christ alone. Faith in Christ is manifested within those saves and comes from/by the faith of Christ (Christ's success and faithfulness to the Father). It is imparted as a byproduct of salvation through the fruit of the Spirit; that is, faith does not bring salvation, salvation brings faith. That doctrine is demonstrated by following verses:

[Gal 5:22 KJV]
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,

[Gal 2:16 KJV]
16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

[Phl 1:29 KJV]
29 For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;

[1Pe 1:21 KJV]
21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.

Since faith is from God as a gift, He also assumes the responsibility for maintaining it in those to whom it is given. This
He does through His Holy Spirit who indwells them.

[1Pe 1:5 KJV]
5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

[Phl 1:6 KJV]
6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform [it] until the day of Jesus Christ:

[Rom 8:9-11 KJV]
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 And if Christ [be] in you, the body [is] dead because of sin; but the Spirit [is] life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

That is the gift of faith. But faith required of the believer is also required. Two Greek words pistis and pisteuo. Then you also have the word believe which is a command within the scriptures as well.

Laws of logic, logos, the Word, tells us it is contradicting to demand belief or faith if it is in fact not to some degree within the will of the individual.

I don't follow your post. For clarity, please include the verses you have in mind or respond to the ones I provided.

Anyway, there is nothing within their power of man they might utilize to save themselves. It is by Christ alone and that is why He has the title of Saviour and man does not.

You are correct is not within the power of the human but in whom the faith is applied. It is in Christ alone as to why our faith is in complete surrender and reliance on Him. Faith is not a work of legalism but a command of God.

Scripture has three words. Faith (pistis) faith (pisteuo) and believe (pisteuo)

PISTEUO:
Hebrews 11:6 New International Version (NIV)
6 And without faith (pistis) it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe (pisteuo) that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him.

4100 pisteúō (from 4102 /pístis, "faith," derived from 3982 /peíthō, "persuade, be persuaded") – believe (affirm, have confidence); used of persuading oneself (= human believing) and with the sacred significance of being persuaded by the Lord (= faith-believing). Only the context indicates whether 4100 /pisteúō ("believe") is self-serving (without sacred meaning), or the believing that leads to/proceeds from God's inbirthing of faith.

PISTIS:
Ephesians 2:8 New International Version (NIV)
8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God—

(4102/pistis) is always a gift from God, and never something that can be produced by people. In short, 4102/pistis ("faith") for the believer is "God's divine persuasion" – and therefore distinct from human belief (confidence), yet involving it. The Lord continuously births faith in the yielded believer so they can know what He prefers, i.e. the persuasion of His will (1 Jn 5:4).

So as you can see in the Hebrew 11:6 verse, both types of faith are required. The gift and human believing.

please read 1st John 5:13 & think for a long time on that verse & ask the Holy Spirit to help you understand it. it doesn't make sense to become a born again Christian & never know if you are saved! imagine everyone from adam & eve til the end believing "you never know if you're saved"?

A NT search of the word GIFT turned up 33 verses & 38 matches. See below

Matt 5:23 Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee;
Matt 5:24 Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way; first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift.
Matt 8:4 And Jesus saith unto him, See thou tell no man; but go thy way, shew thyself to the priest, and offer the gift that Moses commanded, for a testimony unto them.
Matt 15:5 But ye say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me;
Matt 23:18 And, Whosoever shall swear by the altar, it is nothing; but whosoever sweareth by the gift that is upon it, he is guilty.
Matt 23:19 Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gift, or the altar that sanctifieth the gift?
Mk 7:11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
Jh 4:10 Jesus answered and said unto her, If thou knewest the gift of God, and who it is that saith to thee, Give me to drink; thou wouldest have asked of him, and he would have given thee living water.
Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Acts 8:20 But Peter said unto him, Thy money perish with thee, because thou hast thought that the gift of God may be purchased with money.
Acts 10:45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Acts 11:17 Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as he did unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God?
Rom 1:11 For I long to see you, that I may impart unto you some spiritual gift, to the end ye may be established;
Rom 5:15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.
Rom 5:16 And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.
Rom 5:17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)
Rom 5:18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
1 Cor 1:7 So that ye come behind in no gift; waiting for the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ:
1 Cor 7:7 For I would that all men were even as I myself. But every man hath his proper gift of God, one after this manner, and another after that.
1 Cor _13:2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.
2 Cor 1:11 Ye also helping together by prayer for us, that for the gift bestowed upon us by the means of many persons thanks may be given by many on our behalf.
2 Cor 8:4 Praying us with much intreaty that we would receive the gift, and take upon us the fellowship of the ministering to the saints.
2 Cor 9:15 Thanks be unto God for his unspeakable gift.
Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Eph 3:7 Whereof I was made a minister, according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power.
Eph 4:7 But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ.
Phil 4:17 Not because I desire a gift: but I desire fruit that may abound to your account.
1Ti_4:14 Neglect not the gift that is in thee, which was given thee by prophecy, with the laying on of the hands of the presbytery.
2 Tim1:6 Wherefore I put thee in remembrance that thou stir up the gift of God, which is in thee by the putting on of my hands.
Heb 6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
Ja 1:17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.
1 Pet 4:10 As every man hath received the gift, even so minister the same one to another, as good stewards of the manifold grace of God.
33 verses found, 38 matches

Scripture cites the Holy Spirit as a GIFT: Jn 4:10, Acts 2:38, 8:20, 1:17,

Scripture cites Grace as a GIFT: Rom 5:15, 16, Eph 3:7 4:7. Eph 2:8 If God doesn't (GRACIOUSLY offer amnesty) faith is worthless!

Scripture cites Righteousness as a GIFT: Rom 5:17, 18,

Scripture cites the Eternal Life as a GIFT: Rom 6:23

I see no place where faith is cited as a gift. In fact:

Rom 12:3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.
(MY NOTE: Everybody! Receives a measure of faith)

Jn 12:32 Jesus said" if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw ""all"" men unto me
(MY NOTE: Jesus was lifted up on cross & most importantly from the grave. Everyone born post resurrection will be drawn to Him. Unfortunately, not everyone will choose to exercise their God given measure of faith & access His GIFT of GRACE (Rom 5:2)

Only Christ's faith pleased God. His (Christ's) faith is reckoned to those whom He chose to salvation. No faith
outside of Christ's has righteousness within it. A faith produced through man's intellect or effort, does not have it, and those with it will eventually fall away from Christ. So, when you read verses, such as the ones you included in your post, know that they, in effect, are speaking of Christ and His faith. Please, read these verses closely:


[Phl 3:9 KJV] 9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:

[Rom 3:22 KJV] 22 Even the righteousness of God [which is] by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

[Gal 2:16 KJV]
16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

By your own scripture Gal 2:16 even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ


Believed In

Again salvation comes from Christ alone. To believe in that is not a work of legalism.

Except in context it also speaks of us to believe in, remain of faith, have faith, abide, beware false teachers and prophets, etc.

God's elect are all those who will believe. John 3:16

No. Those saved receive spiritual wisdom through the Holy Spirit in order for them to measure (assess) Christ's faith, it does not mean that everyone receives a certain amount of faith - which measurement/assessment, is that His faith has brought forth salvation to His elect.

[Rom 12:3 KJV] 3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think [of himself] more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith

Measure:

metron (Key)

1. measure, an instrument for measuring
   1. a vessel for receiving and determining the quantity of things, whether dry or liquid
   2. a graduated staff for measuring, a measuring rod
   3. proverbially, the rule or standard of judgment
2. determined extent, portion measured off, measure or limit
   1. the required measure, the due, fit, measure

No. Everyone who is saved, has become so in the same way - simply, that they had been chosen by God to be saved. Those God draws He actually drags off; that is, once saved, God impels them to follow Christ.

draw:
helkō (Key)

1. to draw, drag off
2. metaph., to draw by inward power, lead, impel
   

[Jhn 6:44 KJV] 44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw[G1670] him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

[Jhn 12:32 KJV] 32 And I,[G2504] if[G1437] I be lifted up[G5312] from[G1537] the earth,[G1093] will draw[G1670] all[G3956] [men] unto[G4314] me.[G1683]