Could Trump do anything to make you stop supporting him?

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Cameron143 said:
We can't interfere in government...we the people are the government.
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If you think we the people run the government you are sadly deceived.

Corporations and the rich run this government.
 
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HeIsHere said:
The allegations have not been proven in a court of law.
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Actually, some have. More will be.

The tragedy here is not that trump is being falsely charged, most of the charges will prove true. The tragedy is that so many others (Clintons, Bushes, obummer, Pelosi, McConnel, SCOTUS judges, et al) aren't being charged.
 
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If trump shot someone in broad daylight in the middle of New York, would you still support him?
 
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JTB said:
2 Timothy 2:3-4 Join me in suffering, like a good soldier of Christ Jesus. A soldier refrains from entangling himself in civilian affairs.

Christians pushing Christian nationalism is like when the Jews demanded God give them a earthly kings. I don't recall that working out so well for them.
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I agree with that, but Christians standing on their rights as citizens like Paul did, not the same thing.
 
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JTB said:
If trump shot someone in broad daylight in the middle of New York, would you still support him?
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Depends, is the person raping someone? Is this hypothetical person part of an invading army to take over the US? Is this hypothetical situation you are giving us a reference to Hunter Biden kidnapping an 11 year old kid for his dad to take a shower with while the mother is screaming for someone to help? Or are you referring to Trump administering the booster shot?
 
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JTB said:
If you think we the people run the government you are sadly deceived.

Corporations and the rich run this government.
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You misunderstood what I wrote. Constitutionally, the government is made up of representatives of the people. We are not a democracy, but a constitutional Republic. This being the case, the people are the government.
What has happened is that those elected forgot they were servants, and not masters. They were elected to govern and not rule. Consequently, they have usurped the rights of the electorate and broken their oaths to serve and protect the people.
So I'm not unaware of the present state of affairs in American politics and elsewhere. I was merely pointing out an underlying flaw in one poster's argument.
And an underlying flaw in your last statement is that God is in charge and control of governments. And governments largely reflect the spiritual condition of the nation. If the people of God would repent, He would heal our land.
 
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I'll tell you one thing about President Trump which is horrible, he refused to acknowledge his seventh grandkid that his degenerate son had with a stripper. The guy hangs up a Christmas stocking for his dog while hoping this child disappears.

Oh, wait, I'm being told this was not the bad orange man but the pleasant old guy who you sometimes see walking around the Whitehouse, the one whose son brought cocaine into the Whitehouse. Sorry, forget I said anything, we shouldn't be talking about people's families and hardships they go through, especially a good family man like that old guy who had an affair with that married woman "Dr. Jill" and then married her.
 
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ZNP said:
Depends, is the person raping someone? Is this hypothetical person part of an invading army to take over the US? Is this hypothetical situation you are giving us a reference to Hunter Biden kidnapping an 11 year old kid for his dad to take a shower with while the mother is screaming for someone to help? Or are you referring to Trump administering the booster shot?
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I'm referring to trump saying “I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn’t lose voters,” (from January 2016)
 
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JTB said:
I'm referring to trump saying “I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn’t lose voters,” (from January 2016)
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So don't ask us, ask Trump, he is the one that said that.
 
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Cameron143 said:
You misunderstood what I wrote. Constitutionally, the government is made up of representatives of the people. We are not a democracy, but a constitutional Republic. This being the case, the people are the government.
What has happened is that those elected forgot they were servants, and not masters. They were elected to govern and not rule. Consequently, they have usurped the rights of the electorate and broken their oaths to serve and protect the people.
So I'm not unaware of the present state of affairs in American politics and elsewhere. I was merely pointing out an underlying flaw in one poster's argument.
And an underlying flaw in your last statement is that God is in charge and control of governments. And governments largely reflect the spiritual condition of the nation. If the people of God would repent, He would heal our land.
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Fair enough, except you did say 'we the people are the government'; and where did I say that God is in control of the gov't?
 
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JTB said:
I'm referring to trump saying “I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn’t lose voters,” (from January 2016)
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It's called hyperbole.
 
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ZNP said:
So don't ask us, ask Trump, he is the one that said that.
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Seems as tho we are playing dodgeball here.

trump said “I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn’t lose voters,”

So the question is to trump voters, if he stood in the middle of 5th Ave and shot someone, would you still vote for him?
 
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JTB said:
Fair enough, except you did say 'we the people are the government'; and where did I say that God is in control of the gov't?
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Have you read the preamble to the constitution. It begins...We The People...

We are supposed to have government by the people, of the people, and for the people.

You didn't say God was in control of government. I did. All things are by Him, for Him, and through Him. Blessings follow those who obey God and trouble upon those who don’t. We have become a nation that doesn't. That's why God has allowed for wicked people to rule rather than provide righteous leaders who govern wisely.

This is simplified. There are unseen forces at work behind world governments. But they remain subject to God.
 
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JTB said:
It's only hyperbole when you're afraid to answer the question directly.
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No. It's hyperbole because it's absurd. No one would vote for him if that really happened. You have a personal dislike of Trump that renders you unable to judge him without bias.
 
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JTB said:
Seems as tho we are playing dodgeball here.

trump said “I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn’t lose voters,”

So the question is to trump voters, if he stood in the middle of 5th Ave and shot someone, would you still vote for him?
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speaking for myself I didn't vote for him in 2016, maybe it was that comment that lost my vote.
 
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HeIsHere said:
Leaders can have a tremendous impact for good.

It is about what Trump stands for/symbolizes which people are attracted to, not that he is worshiped that is just your bias and perception, some

As well this attitude/belief that Jesus is going to return and fix everything abdicating our role as salt and light, of not using good judgement and discernment is one of the reasons the USA is polarized and a society in decline.

These are not the end times.
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As you wrote about me, this is your bias and perception. As for the end times, we will see soon enough.
 
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