Saved by faith alone?

No. True salvation leads to works...Ephesians 2:10.

No its not the purpose.

The purpose is a good conscious towards Jesus Christ. as an open testimony of a professed faith and a teaching tool to those outside the church.

No. It seems you do not understand at all. You just made that up, right? lol

then your teaching a salvation of works.

which is a different gospel

The penalty of sin is death. the only thing that can pay for sin is death

you being immersed in water will not pay for your sin

you doing good works will not pay for your sin.

You are not relying in christ to save you, Your trying to help God. God does not need your help

Your right

remission of sin comes through blood.. not water

our sins are through the washing of the HS. not being immersed in water

I can say I believe until I am blue in the face.

if I have not repented and have true saving faith.. and truly RECIEVE Christ. then I am just as lost as the legalist trying to earn his salvation through works.

No, I think I do understand. My situation was a hypothetical one. If faith is all you need, then a person could do just that, and be saved.
Turns out, faith is NOT all you need..... it's back to my illustration of the guy on his roof in a flood....
God comes along in the boat to save him.... it's free salvation... doesn't cost anything.... someone else (Jesus) paid for the whole trip....
All the person has to do is climb into the boat.... but he says "NO, Lord..... I cannot do that, because that would be a WORK" The man fully believed he could be saved, but he refused to DO anything to enable it..... his acceptance of the free gift was to merely step into the boat... an act of faith and belief...

Would he be saved? Of course not.

Our salvation is paid for... it's free, but it requires us to step into the boat.... to appeal to God for that clear conscience, and to get forgiveness of sin.... it's just a step. Make it a "work", miss taking the step, miss the boat.

works.... like baptism?
Odd that Peter would tell all those new believers that they have to do a "work" in order to get forgiveness of sins, and to get the indwelling Holy Spirit....

So if you think you do understand, I guess the above was simply your way of saying haha you are wrong.

I'm not interested. I did not say and neither has anyone else here said just believe and you are good to go.

Show me where anyone, anyone at all, said what you say we believe. It's baloney. Why do YOU folks make up things like that?

So either deal with what people, including myself, are actually saying, to show good faith in an actual conversation, or don't.

If you cannot do that, kindly understand I am not going to waste my time debating whether or not water saves. It doesn't. It does not wash away sin but if you use soap, then it does wash exterior dirt away.

He can answer for himself. But you are goading him on. He said no such thing and no one has said water baptism is a work.

smh

This goes back to the previous verse...Acts 2:37. They had already believed and the evidence is that they heard the word...faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God....and were pricked in their heart.

But I don't want to be drawn back into this mess so I will just wish you the richest of blessings.

And YOU people should stop putting words in my mouth. I never said "water saves" ..... that's YOUR deliberate mis-interpretation....
So, go on down the road, if you don't want to have a discussion. No loss....

Yes, I agree, they had already believed. We both agree on that. And Peter told them what they needed to do.... and it was not considered to be a "work".... at least not by Peter.
Blessings to you, too, brother.

Actually, if they say "I believe" they will be labeled as a works-based salvationist.

By who?

yes, a calvinist will say this.. Nut not all faith based christians do..

If a person accepts salvation, but says "I have no need for baptism. I think it's an outdated OT teaching, and I'm not going to do it."
Under your definition, that wouldn't affect their salvation at all? Is that correct?

It wouldn't. It would merely reflect that they had no faith to begin with.

I have never met one person who says they accept salvation. and that they have no need of baptism.

everyone I know who receives salvation wants to get baptized to obey Gods command.

That is good to hear.

I would like to think that is true, but I am afraid that many people are taught that faith and belief are all that it takes. Then, you are "in".