In your opinion do you believe world is about 6000 years old

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cv5

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Mary was not asked for permission ... she was told.
False. Mary definitely gave permission. Free will is THE primary mandate that God bequeathed to man.
The fundamental lie of Satan is that God is evil because this free will does not exist.

Luk 1:38
And Mary said, Behold the handmaid of the Lord; be it unto me according to thy word. And the angel departed from her.

In fact this lie was likely the reason that 1/3 of the Angels rebelled, as Satan deceived them, the same why he deceived the woman.
BTW.....Adam was NOT DECEIVED, yet ate the fruit anyways. Which is why he is the primordial "type of Christ".
 

Everlasting-Grace

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Yes.... I'm still sort of stuck on the phrasing of "evening and morning, the sixth day".... we normally would assume that is a 24 hour timeframe... evening and morning...
The difficulty arises in our understanding of time, versus God's approach to it.

It could be that God's evening and morning spanned a thousand years... we just don't know.

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Except I believe God told us when he instituted on the sabbath.

He said keep it holy. for in 6 DAYS God created the heavens and the earth and the 7th DAY he rested.

in this manner, you will work for 6 DAYS, but on the 7th day you will rest
 

cv5

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you don't then and today have to have sex to plant a seed in a spiritual being sense, they just need from a woman, i give permission, sense, and then next thing they are baring children for them.
Probably so. Thats what was going on before the flood (and afterwards!).....inappropriate contact between men and angels.

And in ALL HISTORICAL CASES where this was happening, God rendered the most devastating of judgements.
Think Sodom as well. Those wicked men KNEW that the visitors were angelic beings, and desired them ("going after strange flesh") for what amounts to "life extension" purposes.

Similar situation was going on in Judges 19.....with a woman being the object of what? Adenochrome harvesting type of vivisection??? They KNEW what kind of horror took place. Why? Because it had happened in times past and the Israelites remembered it.

IMO.....these rites and practices are happening today. Including contact with fallen angels.
Which means.....judgement is at the very door. I cannot stress that enough.
 

Bob-Carabbio

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Genesis chapter 1.... the 6th day of creation of the world...

26 Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the [ak]sky and over the cattle and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.” 27 God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. 28 God blessed them; and God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth, and subdue it; and rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the [al]sky and over every living thing that [am]moves on the earth.” 29 Then God said, “Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is on the [an]surface of all the earth, and every tree [ao]which has fruit yielding seed; it shall be food for you; 30 and to every beast of the earth and to every bird of the [ap]sky and to every thing that [aq]moves on the earth [ar]which has life, I have given every green plant for food”; and it was so. 31 God saw all that He had made, and behold, it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day.

This was all done in one 24 hour day, correct? Evening and morning?
Given that God is "OMNIPOTENT", then no reason it Couldn't be done in 24 hours.
 

Diakonos

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And at the time that statement was made, it was absolutely true. Anyone on earth that might have come before Adam were wiped off the earth in the flood.... so all people living on earth WERE from the lineage of Adam.

If God had created mankind, man and woman, some time (who knows how much time) before he created Adam and placed him specially in the garden, the earth could have been populated with mankind... NOT of the lineage of Adam. When Noah and family, of the lineage of Adam were saved through water, the flood, God's race of people were the only mankind on earth.

I was taught the same way you say it happened. I've believed that all my life. Lately I've been thinking about the timeline discrepancies and thought, this could answer every non-believer's questions about how the creation happened... it could help explain the great men of old... sons of God (Adam's lineage) married into the sons of man (mankind, not of Adam's lineage) . This was not good, and God "cleansed" the earth with the flood, leaving only the lineage of Adam (son of God).
1. I provided biblical evidence for Adam and Eve being the first two individuals God created. Do you disagree with any of the points I gave in post #725?

2. What is the biblical evidence for other people existing before Adam and Eve?
 
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Probably so. Thats what was going on before the flood (and afterwards!).....inappropriate contact between men and angels.

And in ALL HISTORICAL CASES where this was happening, God rendered the most devastating of judgements.
Think Sodom as well. Those wicked men KNEW that the visitors were angelic beings, and desired them ("going after strange flesh") for what amounts to "life extension" purposes.

Similar situation was going on in Judges 19.....with a woman being the object of what? Adenochrome harvesting type of vivisection??? They KNEW what kind of horror took place. Why? Because it had happened in times past and the Israelites remembered it.

IMO.....these rites and practices are happening today. Including contact with fallen angels.
Which means.....judgement is at the very door. I cannot stress that enough.
AMEN!!
 

Ted01

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False. Mary definitely gave permission. Free will is THE primary mandate that God bequeathed to man.
The fundamental lie of Satan is that God is evil because this free will does not exist.

Luk 1:38
And Mary said, Behold the handmaid of the Lord; be it unto me according to thy word. And the angel departed from her.

In fact this lie was likely the reason that 1/3 of the Angels rebelled, as Satan deceived them, the same why he deceived the woman.
BTW.....Adam was NOT DECEIVED, yet ate the fruit anyways. Which is why he is the primordial "type of Christ".
Why not include the whole dialogue?

Luke 1:26-38 (ESV)

26 In the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God to a city of Galilee named Nazareth, 27 to a virgin betrothed to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David. And the virgin's name was Mary. 28 And he came to her and said, “Greetings, O favored one, the Lord is with you!” 29 But she was greatly troubled at the saying, and tried to discern what sort of greeting this might be. 30 And the angel said to her, “Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found favor with God. 31 And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bear a son, and you shall call his name Jesus. 32 He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. And the Lord God will give to him the throne of his father David, 33 and he will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and of his kingdom there will be no end.”

34 And Mary said to the angel, “How will this be, since I am a virgin?”

35 And the angel answered her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; therefore the child to be born will be called holy—the Son of God. 36 And behold, your relative Elizabeth in her old age has also conceived a son, and this is the sixth month with her who was called barren. 37 For nothing will be impossible with God.” 38 And Mary said, “Behold, I am the servant of the Lord; let it be to me according to your word.” And the angel departed from her.

In verse 31, it doesn't really seem to that Gabriel was asking for permission...? Seems more like a statement of fact...
"And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bear a son, and you shall call his name Jesus."
 

Magenta

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did she submit voluntarily or was forced to go through with it?
She was told what was going to happen. Yes, she agreed to be be God's servant after she was
told what was going to happen. Her permission in this regard, however, was not sought.


26 In the sixth month, God sent the angel Gabriel to a town in Galilee called Nazareth,
27 to a virgin pledged in marriage to a man named Joseph, who was of the house of David.
And the virgin’s name was Mary. 28 The angel appeared to her and said, “Greetings,
you who are highly favored! The Lord is with you.”


29 Mary was greatly troubled at his words and wondered what kind of greeting this might be.
30 So the angel told her, “Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found favor with God. 31 Behold,
you will conceive and give birth to a son, and you are to give Him the name Jesus. 32 He
will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give Him the throne of
His father David, 33 and He will reign over the house of Jacob forever. His kingdom will never end!”


34 “How can this be,” Mary asked the angel, “since I am a virgin?”

35 The angel replied, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will
overshadow you. So the Holy One to be born will be called the Son of God. 36 Look, even
Elizabeth your relative has conceived a son in her old age, and she who was called barren
is in her sixth month. 37 For no word from God will ever fail.”


38 “I am the Lord’s servant,” Mary answered. “May it happen to me according to your word.” Then the angel left her.
 

Magenta

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Why not include the whole dialogue?

Luke 1:26-38 (ESV)

26 In the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God to a city of Galilee named Nazareth, 27 to a virgin betrothed to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David. And the virgin's name was Mary. 28 And he came to her and said, “Greetings, O favored one, the Lord is with you!” 29 But she was greatly troubled at the saying, and tried to discern what sort of greeting this might be. 30 And the angel said to her, “Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found favor with God. 31 And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bear a son, and you shall call his name Jesus. 32 He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. And the Lord God will give to him the throne of his father David, 33 and he will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and of his kingdom there will be no end.”

34 And Mary said to the angel, “How will this be, since I am a virgin?”

35 And the angel answered her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; therefore the child to be born will be called holy—the Son of God. 36 And behold, your relative Elizabeth in her old age has also conceived a son, and this is the sixth month with her who was called barren. 37 For nothing will be impossible with God.” 38 And Mary said, “Behold, I am the servant of the Lord; let it be to me according to your word.” And the angel departed from her.

In verse 31, it doesn't really seem to that Gabriel was asking for permission...? Seems more like a statement of fact...
"And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bear a son, and you shall call his name Jesus."
You beat me to it heh .:D
 

Fundaamental

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I don't recall the Bible saying that. What verse?
I went through this for 10 pages.

However here is the correct translation from the Hebrews bible but first the KJV of 1 Peter 3:10, 10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.


Hebrews translation to English is as follows

The day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night, and the heavens will suddenly pass away and the foundations will burn and melt and the earth and the deeds that were They will burn on it: 11 And now if all these will be consumed, how much more must you go

First thing to note is this hebrews translation says the foundations will melt where as the KJV says the elements.

Second thing to note, if you wish to search other translation, they say the foundation will disintegrate, which is a miss representation.

They will not disintegrate and be no more, they will melt turn to lava and consume the earth. And all the works of the earth.

This means the foundations are an eternal heavenly fire 😋
 

hornetguy

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20 Now the man called his wife’s name [h]Eve, because she was the mother of all the living.

He did not say she would be the mother of all the living....

This was before they were driven away from the garden. It makes it sound as if Adam and Eve had already had children. Otherwise, how would they even know about childbirth? Who would Eve have been the mother of? Why would God tell Eve that he was going to greatly multiply her pain in childbirth, if she had never experienced it?
 

Magenta

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False. Mary definitely gave permission. Free will is THE primary mandate that God bequeathed to man.
The fundamental lie of Satan is that God is evil because this free will does not exist.
Mary was not asked permission no matter how hard you try to twist the text to make it say what you want .:oops:
 

hornetguy

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I provided biblical evidence for Adam and Eve being the first two individuals God created. Do you disagree with any of the points I gave in post #725?
Of course I don't disagree with them, they are scripture.... what I possibly disagree with is our understanding of that scripture...

all the verses in the New Testament are absolutely true... Eve was the mother of all those living, because from Noah on, there was no chance of anybody else from any other "bloodline" being alive. Adam and Eve were most certainly the creators of the lineage of Adam... no question...

This does not say that they were the only human beings that God created.