Once saved always saved (OSAS) debunked

Thats specifically referring to the jews of Christs day, who had the privilege of the law and the oracles of God, but for the most part they were reprobate and rejected of God.

It applies today to false christians and religions, they were never saved to begin with, they were always in the purpose of God vessels of wrath being fitted for destruction.

So then, how do you know who was never saved to begin with? They are servants of the Lord, they call Him Lord, they are in the house, the church.

You have to 1st ask and understand how one becomes saved to begin with, and compare what is believed, taught and practiced according go scripture as opposed to what others believe, teach, and practice.

When you look at ALL pertinent scriptures regarding salvation you end up with a short list of requirements.
1. Belief and faith
2. Confession of your belief in Christ as did the Ethiopian eunuch in Acts 8 which is consistent with Romans 10:9
3. Repentance as were tge Jews told to do on the day of Pentecost as recorded in Acts 2:38
4. Baptism: immersion in water for the remission of sins also per Acts 2:38.

This is how you are saved and added to the body of Christ by the Lord per Acts 2:47.

If you believe and teach otherwise, are you then not inconsistent with scripture and fall into the category of persons or groups being discussed as per your question?

My point is that "once saved always saved" simply takes every verse that describes a person "losing" their salvation as having never been saved.

So it is simply a matter of semantics.

If someone falls away then "they were never saved", if the Lord says "depart from Me I never knew you" then they were never saved. But it is quite clear, they didn't realize that. Didn't we do this in your name and didn't we do that in your name?

So it would be much more beneficial, instead of playing semantics games, to focus on what you need to do to have the assurance of salvation.

What is also very clear is that they thought they were saved. Someone taught them that they were saved and then they discovered they weren't. Now who could be teaching people "don't worry, you are saved" when they aren't?

Thats specifically referring to the jews of Christs day, who had the privilege of the law and the oracles of God, but for the most part they were reprobate and rejected of God.

It applies today to false christians and religions, they were never saved to begin with, they were always in the purpose of God vessels of wrath being fitted for destruction.

So then, how do you know who was never saved to begin with?

The question remains: WHY this failure on the part of some and not others?

So you believe the disciples Jesus was teaching privately, were unsaved Jews?

@justpassinthrough

No save judas the one who betrayed Him

@cv5



The Power and Grace of God makes the difference, those being preserved will persevere, they are Gods elect, chosen, all others were reprobate.

Still, the fallen angels made a choice. Predicated upon them believing lies. False accusations against the Almighty.

@ZNP



They dont persevere in the Faith , because the ones who persevere were being kept and preserved by Gods power and grace.

how do we know this?

Still, the fallen angels made a choice. Predicated upon them believing lies. False accusations against the Almighty.

Again, semantics. You have twenty people in the congregation, ten years later there are only ten left, so you assume the ten who are no longer there were unsaved because they didn't persevere.

That is a cruel way to look at it. Perhaps they aren't there anymore because in your midst is someone quite evil, they discovered it and left?

Or perhaps they have been attacked by the wolves who have secretly crept in. But instead of seeing them as the victims and culprit is the shepherd who didn't protect the flock, you make the victims the culprit. They were devoured by wolves because they weren't really saved.

Perhaps they were Antipas, the faithful witness who was martyred among you.

Or, how about Philadelphia? The Lord told them they would not go out anymore. It seems everyone who was in Philadelphia had been in a previous church but had been forced to go out, to leave.

Or how about Sardis, the Lord told them that they needed to repent otherwise He might blot their name out of the book of life. Righteous judgement is to do unto you as you have done unto others. I don't believe the Lord would blot someone's name out if they hadn't also blotted others names out by excommunicating them.

When I read the Bible it is our responsibility to go and do likewise as the good Samaritan had done, or as the woman who swept the house for the gold coin or as the shepherd did when he found the lost sheep. This doctrine of yours is the opposite, it teaches you that if someone falls away it is their fault.

The elect Angels were preserved from sinning, by the power and Grace of God

The elect Angels were preserved from sinning, by the power and Grace of God

Just to let you know, the example of God "guarding" the way to the tree of life (preventing Adam and Eve from eating of it in their now fallen state) is proof positive of OSAS.

Remember, both sincerely confessed their sins, and God "covered them with The Blood" aka saved/redeemed them firstly.
THEN came the "guarding" to prevent them from eternal death aka eating from the second tree.

I have never understood the point of this OSAS doctrine since every instance when someone falls away is explained by "they weren't really saved"?

What is the point? There is no assurance of salvation, because if you fall away you weren't really saved to begin with. The only thing I can see is this doctrine is like salve to the levitical priest who passed the man beaten on the other side of the road. It isn't his responsibility, if the guy had really been saved he wouldn't have been beaten up and left on the side of the road.