Jesus, before becoming a man

Based on your knowledge of the bible, what do you know about Jesus before He became a man and was given the name Jesus?

Was He inactive or proactive in revealing the Godhead to God's creation?

Please explain in some detail, not looking for a yes or no response here. The reason for the question is to expand our knowledge and appreciation of the Godhead.

John 1:1 + 14a

Nehemiah 9:6 plus John 1:3

Good question? Jesus Christ physically and temporarily appeared in the Old Testament before He incarnated as a man permanently.

I wrote the following some time ago on this site which explains how.

Ah, the angel of the Lord, one of my favorite subjects. The angel of the Lord first appears as the angel of the Lord at Genesis 16:7 and appears (physically) to Hagar, Sarai's maid. (vs8). At vs9 he says to Hagar to return to Sarai and submit to her authority. At vs10 the angel of the Lord says, "I will greatly multiply your descendants so that they shall be too many to count." He also tells her that she is with child and he will be named Ishmael.

At vs13 she says, "Thou art a God who sees, for she said, "Have I even remained alive after seeing Him." At Genesis 17:1-2, "Now when Abram was ninety-nine years old, the Lord appeared to Abram and said to him, (This is a physical appearance by the Lord), I am God Almighty; Walk before Me, and be blameless, vs2, And I will establish My covenant between Me and you, And I will greatly multiply you exceedingly."

So here's the question? Is the angel of the Lord at Genesis 16 who multiplied Hagar's descendants the same "being" who multiplied Abrah's descendants at Genesis 17:1-2? When we get to Genesis 18 it says at vs1, "Now the Lord appeared to him/Abram by the oaks of Mamre, while he was sitting at the tent door in the heat of the day." When Abram looked up he saw three men, vs2. One of the men was the angel of the Lord and the other two were actual angels in the form of men.

To make a long story short Abram learns that the Lord God is going to destroy Sodom and Gomorrah because their sin is great, vs20. The Lord and Abram go back and forth about will God destroy the righteous with the wicked, vs25. At vs33, "And as soon as He/the Lord had finished speaking to Abraham the Lord departed; and Abraham returned to his place. At Genesis 19:1, "Now the two angels came to Sodom in the evening as Lot was sitting in the gate of Sodom. When Lot say them, he rose to meet them and bowed down with his face to the ground."

Righteous Lot was warned about the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah and he left. Like at Genesis 18:25, "Shall not the Judge of all the earth deal justly?" He sure did. At this point is should be said that the angel of the Lord is "NOT" Michael the arc angel as some teach, like the Jehovah Witnesses. This can be proven by going to Genesis 22, the best part about the angel of the Lord.

At Genesis 22:1, God test Abraham by him offering his son Isaac. Genesis 22:10-11, "And Abraham stretched out his hand, and took the knife to slay his son. vs11, But the angel of the Lord called to him from heaven, and said, "Abraham, Abraham!" And he said, "Here I am." Vs12, "Do not stretch out your hand against the lad, and do nothing to him, for now I know that you fear God, since you have not withheld your son, your only son from Me." (Btw, Abraham did have other sons).

Jumping to vs15, "Then the angel of the Lord called to Abraham a second time from heaven, vs16, and said, "By Myself I have sworn, declares the Lord, because you have done this thing, and have not withheld your son, your only son, vs17, indeed I will greatly bless you and I will greatly multiply your seed as the stars of the heavens, and as the sand which is on the seashore, and your seed shall possess the gate of their enemies."

Some observations? Why does the angel of the Lord call out from heaven two times when the Lord God Himself calls out from heaven at other places in the Bible? And here's the bigger observation. If the angel of the Lord is an actual angel or Michael the arc angel, it should be noted that angels cannot swear oaths on behalf of God Himself. In fact, you or I cannot swear an oath on behalf of somebody else. For example, if you saw a crime and were ask to testify in a court of law you cannot send your uncle harry in your place to testify what you personally saw.

But here's the kicker? Look at Hebrews 6:13-14, "For when God made the promise to Abraham, since He coudl swear by no one greater, HE SWORE BY HIMSELF." vs14, "saying, I will surely bless you, and I will surely multiply you." No one, including angels can swear an oath on behalf of God because no one is greater than God Himself.

It is vitally important that God the Father has no separate manifestation from the Son. The Son is the only manifestation and revelation of the Father. What is known of the Father is revealed through the Son. To see the Son is to see the essence of the Father (John 1:1,18; John 10:30; John 12:45; Colossians 1:5; Hebrews 1:3). Oops, I almost forgot about Luke 1:72-73, "To show mercy toward our fathers, And to REMEMBER His holy covenant, vs73, "The oath which He swore to Abraham our father."

IN THE ANGEL OF THE LORD,
bluto

Here are two paragraphs below, one from Ezekiel and the other from Revelation.

Please read both and tell me what you think?

Ezekiel 1:26-28
Now above the expanse that was over their heads there was something resembling a throne, like lapis lazuli in appearance; and on that which resembled a throne, high up, was a figure with the appearance of a man. Then I noticed from the appearance of His loins and upward something like glowing metal that looked like fire all around within it, and from the appearance of His loins and downward I saw something like fire; and there was a radiance around Him. As the appearance of the rainbow in the clouds on a rainy day, so was the appearance of the surrounding radiance. Such was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the Lord. And when I saw it, I fell on my face and heard a voice speaking.

Revelation 1:12-15
Then I turned to see the voice that was speaking with me. And having turned I saw seven golden lampstands; and in the middle of the lampstands I saw one like a son of man, clothed in a robe reaching to the feet, and girded across His chest with a golden sash. His head and His hair were white like white wool, like snow; and His eyes were like a flame of fire. His feet were like burnished bronze, when it has been made to glow in a furnace, and His voice was like the sound of many waters.

I can’t be for certain, but
I believe he showed up as a mighty warrior a couple times in the OT . We can know Jesus’ warrior heart when. He said the following

“Do you think I cannot call on my Father, and he will at once put at my disposal more than twelve legions of angels?”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭26‬:‭53‬ ‭NIV‬‬

““Jesus of Nazareth,” they replied. “I am he,” Jesus said. (And Judas the traitor was standing there with them.) When Jesus said, “I am he,” they drew back and fell to the ground. Again he asked them, “Who is it you want?” “Jesus of Nazareth,” they said. Jesus answered, “I told you that I am he. If you are looking for me, then let these men go.””
‭‭John‬ ‭18‬:‭5‬-‭8‬ ‭NIV‬‬



Gideon may have met Jesus

“When Gideon realized that it was the angel of the Lord, he exclaimed, “Alas, Sovereign Lord! I have seen the angel of the Lord face to face!””
‭‭Judges‬ ‭6‬:‭22‬ ‭NIV‬‬

Also Joshua may have met Jesus

“Now when Joshua was near Jericho, he looked up and saw a man standing in front of him with a drawn sword in his hand. Joshua went up to him and asked, “Are you for us or for our enemies?” “Neither,” he replied, “but as commander of the army of the Lord I have now come.” Then Joshua fell facedown to the ground in reverence, and asked him, “What message does my Lord have for his servant?” The commander of the Lord’s army replied, “Take off your sandals, for the place where you are standing is holy.” And Joshua did so.”
‭‭Joshua‬ ‭5‬:‭13‬-‭15‬ ‭NIV‬‬

He is the Creator (John 1), the Commander of the Lord’s army (Joshua 5), and the Destroyer of Sodom ( Genesis 19) among many other ‘roles’.

JESUS IS GOD. 100%
He is eternal and our creator.
Jesus is beyond our comprehension. From a human understanding we can try to explain what has been revealed in the Holy Bible but we will never fully understand the Godhead.
Focus on the salvation and you will come closer to Understanding Jesus.

Jesus created the universe and everything in it so I would say that he was pro-active.

Psalm 19:1

Jesus, before becoming a man was a teenager, albeit a holy one instead of a stereotypical teens of the 21st century. But in all seriousness, the Bible doesn't cover the life of Jesus as a teen. Jesus probably had to be raised by Mary & Joseph before heading out into the world to preach the Gospel.

Thread Title ----
Jesus, before becoming a man

There isn't much said about Jesus as a Boy -----but you can be sure his Father Joseph taught him the trade he was into ---so the boy Jesus would have learned a skilful trade ---some say masonry work ---while others say carpentry work -----

Was Jesus A Carpenter Or A Stonemason?-------read all hear -----
https://www.christianpost.com/news/jesus-carpenter-or-stonemason.html


Here are a few scriptures on him as a child ------


Matthew 2:11
After coming into the house they saw the Child with Mary His mother; and they fell to the ground and worshiped Him. Then, opening their treasures, they presented to Him gifts of gold, frankincense, and myrrh.

Luke 2:52
And Jesus kept increasing in wisdom and stature, and in favor with God and men.

Luke 2:40
The Child continued to grow and become strong, increasing in wisdom; and the grace of God was upon Him.

Luke 2:41-52 New International Version

The Boy Jesus at the Temple

41 Every year Jesus’ parents went to Jerusalem for the Festival of the Passover.
42 When he was twelve years old, they went up to the festival, according to the custom.
43 After the festival was over, while his parents were returning home, the boy Jesus stayed behind in Jerusalem, but they were unaware of it.
44 Thinking he was in their company, they traveled on for a day. Then they began looking for him among their relatives and friends.
45 When they did not find him, they went back to Jerusalem to look for him.
46 After three days they found him in the temple courts, sitting among the teachers, listening to them and asking them questions.
47 Everyone who heard him was amazed at his understanding and his answers.
48 When his parents saw him, they were astonished. His mother said to him, “Son, why have you treated us like this? Your father and I have been anxiously searching for you.”
49 “Why were you searching for me?” he asked. “Didn’t you know I had to be in my Father’s house?”[a]
50 But they did not understand what he was saying to them.

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(There was also a mysterious guy who wrestled with Jacob)

Anyway: if the Word's flesh per John 1:14 pre-existed Jesus' birth in
Bethlehem, then the Word's flesh would require two genealogies: to wit: one
genealogy connecting the Word's flesh to Adam, and another genealogy to
connect the Word's flesh to someone other than Adam.

Well; it's a relatively simple task to connect the Word's flesh to Adam, but
I've yet to encounter someone sharp enough to connect the Word's flesh to
another ancestor; and I strongly suspect it's because we're mistaking that
man in the Old Testament for the man in the New when they're likely two
entirely different manifestations that we've presumed to give the same
name.

Well; as for me: I'm confident that the Word's alter ego Jesus didn't exist till
his conception per Luke 1:26-35 and that man in the Old Testament was a
special manifestation of someone about whom many of us know next to
nothing.
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Getting very good response thus far. However, to keep the post on course, when I asked, "before Jesus became a man," I met before he took on the form of man, not growing into manhood as the two previous post were centered.

Consider the possibility that the OT appearances of Jesus were made after His resurrection.

I believe it would be very safe to assume that He could appear at any time in history that He wished to do so.

What is time to God?

I am having trouble considering that.

Jesus' starship can exceed warp 10, so He doesn't have to do that sling-shot thingy around the sun like us mortals do...?

That makes no sense, and is impossible. Consider Hebrews 1:1-3. Also consider Malachi 3:1. Who do you think the messenger of the covenant is that will come to His temple? It's the angel of the Lord, the preincarnate Jesus Christ.

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

I knew there was a logical explanation, but for the life of me I couldn't get my head around it.

Hopefully this thread also challenges those on this site who believe Jesus is a lesser being than the Father.

Personally, I don't get how people that lower Jesus' diety on this site remain members of it.

Its central to receiving salvation