Covenant with many

Dan 9:27
And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week;

And he shall make a firm covenant with many for one week:

“Then the future ruler will make an agreement with many people.

He will make a strong covenant with leaders for one week [of years]

This is the future antichrist we are talking about here most likely giving a peace and security agreement with Israel. My question is where is America?? Israel doesn't do much without checking with us. Someone has stepped in to replace America? Did America fall either by civil strife or war?

What say ye?

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This is now history. You dont find America in this because this happened before America was founded.

The only Israel now is the church,

I understand "with many" to mean all the nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues, not just Israel. His agreement will stipulate that as long as they worship him, he and his ten horns will let them live in "peace and safety"; but in the middle of the seven years he breaks his agreement and invades Israel. Whether the US still exists as a nation by then I don't know; however, if it does it will play an insignificant role.

Dan 9v27 (complete fulfillment) is yet future dear boy, as the Lord Jesus made clear in His discourse in Matt 24 / Mark 13

Thats what hate filled racists called minority folks back in the jim crow days, inorder to assert themselves over folks.
And the words of Jesus were fulfilled as he said in "this generation" (that would be the one he was talking too, not some future generation).

Well youngster I have no problem with you saying it is a future fulfillment?

When Daniel explained the meaning of the dream of the idol composed of farying materials from the head to the feet, beginning with the most glorious materials down to the very common, it was the histtoy of the nations and powers from then until the end. There was a stone not hewn that came and destroyed the Idol and replaced it.

So from dthe mighty powers up until the weak and sstrong powers together all nations are included, even that of the USA.

I hope your church does not discard the writing os the OT, for they sepai of Jesus Yeshua, and up to you and me.

You are attributing an Antichrist to a wonderous prophecy about the Messiah :O

Verse 26 and 27 are meant to be read together as one event.

Dan 9v27 He =Messiah (see previous verse v 26) confirms the covenant (the New Testament) first with Jews for one week = 7 years - His ministry started in 27 AD, then it would go to the gentiles at the end of that week.

In the midst of the week = 3 and half years into the Messiahs ministry, (He shall be cut off = Crucified, v26) he shall cause the sacrifice and oblation to cease = the old covenant comes to an end. (after 3 and half more years after the crucifixion the gospel was preached to the gentiles - Acts 8:5).

The rest of Dan 9v27 concerns the judgement upon the Jews who continued with the sacrifices, and God used the Roman Army in 70 AD to bring judgement to them, (and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary v26), the people of the prince, were the Romans, the prince leading the assault was Titus. - Its History not future

No.
The pronoun HE must refer to some previously named in the context of the discourse considered.
The man of sin is not mentioned.
The covenant mentioned is the new covenant God promised in Jeremiah 31.
Jesus confirmed this covenant with many when He died on the cross.
Study what Paul said about this in Hebrews 8,9,10.
Remember, Jesus instructed his disciples not to go to the Gentiles, but to only go to the Jews during His ministry and all those who believed were Jews.
The Gospel and new covenant was only offered to the Gentiles later.
This new covenant replaced the old which made the blood sacrifices to cease.
They were no longer accepted nor necessary.
Again study Hebrews.
Israel will not accept this new covenant until Jesus returns.
Much false doctrine is taught because the pronoun HE is said to be the man of sin when he is not mentioned at all in Daniel 9.

IT DOES!!

The passage in Daniel 9:24-27 is written sequentially.

This means that:

1) verse 26a... "after the 62 Weeks [69 Wks total (to that point) fulfilled / concluded--ON what we call Palm Sunday, Nisan 10 (Ex12:3,5,6 lamb selected and examined 4 days)] shall messiah be CUT OFF" (on Passover);

[then]

2) verse 26b... "the people OF [the prince that SHALL come / coming] shall DESTROY the city and the sanctuary"=70ad events (Matt24:2/Mk13:2/Lk21:5-6... AND Matt22:7... AND the words Jesus spoke ON Palm Sunday in Lk19:41-44--when He did the Zech9:9 thing--BOTH of these passages having to do with "the city / Jerusalem"... the very Subject OF the Dan9:24 [timing-related] prophecy);

[then]

3) verse 27a... the person of Dan9:26b (the prince that SHALL come / coming ['future'] ['ye have heard that..." 1Jn2:18) shall "confirm/strengthen the covenant with the many..."; <--This then corresponds:


a) with Dan11:36's person, well-prior to the Dan12:1 MID-point...

b) with 2Th2:9a's "whose COMING / arrival / advent / parousia" of the man of sin "IN HIS TIME" well-prior to the 2Th2:4b MID-point when he does the "sitteth in the temple" thing...

c) with Seal #1 [the INITIAL "birth pang" 1Th5:1-3/Mt24:4/Mk13:5] well-prior to the MID-point when the Rev13:5-7 things take place (parallel Dan7:20-21,25,[27]);


[all dealing with the same matter... same time-slots / points in the overall chronology of the matter]





Apart from grasping the SEQUENTIAL nature of what is spelled out in the Daniel 9:24-27 prophecy (and what each point connects to, elsewhere in Scripture), one can easily be thrown off track as to proper application and meaning of this passage.





Let the reader bear in mind, "Knowing this first that no prophecy of scripture is (or, becometh) of its own interpretation" - 1Pe1:20...

... of which verse William Kelly has this to say, with which I fairly agree:

"...which is even grammatically the most exact, the prophecy itself, "No prophecy of Scripture is, or comes to be, of its own interpretation." If you isolate prophecy and make each part its own interpreter, you counteract its origin and character, and lose its force as pertaining to God's grand scheme for glorifying His Son, the Lord Jesus. It is divine design which gives prophecy of Scripture, like the rest, this character."

[bold and underline mine]

TYPO: meant to type "2Pe1:20" (Not 1Pe)

He must refer to someone previously named or it cannot be understood.
The man of sin is not mentioned.
The people is the roman army led by Titus and the prince to come is the roman emperor.
This was fulfilled when Jerusalem and the temple was destroyed in 70 AD just as Jesus said it would be.
Jesus did confirm the covenant promised by God in Jeremiah 31 when He died on the cross and the veil of the temple was rent signifying the sacrifices and the whole temple worship system was no longer valid nor accepted by God.
Have you never read Hebrews?
Because you have been blinded by what you have been taught and your desire to make the Scripture to complex for the common man to understand, you ignore the simple truth revealed in Scripture.
You as so many others have built a complete doctrine on one verse of Scripture (Daniel 9:27) that does not agree with Scripture.
Sorry brother but you are not as smart as you and others believe.

So you're saying Jesus "confirmed / strengthened the covenant FOR ONE WEEK [SEVEN YEARS]" (as the text states in Dan9:27)?? How so.



Again, the passage in Daniel 9:25-27 is written SEQUENTIALLY:

1) "CUT OFF [and have nothing]" took place at the Cross;
2) then, the "shall DESTROY the city and the sanctuary" took place in the 70ad events (which Jesus had also spoken to, before He died);
3) THEN the matter of the "confirm the covenant FOR ONE WEEK [SEVEN YEARS--same kind of 'years' that the '69 Weeks' also were comprised of--so a very specific length of time being referred to]" (Jesus did not "confirm a covenant FOR ONE WEEK [SEVEN YEARS]");

SEQUENCE of a passage is NOT COMPLEX, but VERY SIMPLE and straightforward reading of the text...

...which, by the way, also AGREES with the SEQUENCE ISSUES of the Olivet Discourse that the "BEFORE ALL THESE [BEFORE ALL these 'beginning of birth pangs' (vv.8-11)]" shows per the wording in Lk21:12 (where the 70ad events are then spoken of in vv.12-24a,b, with c following on from there);

--and which SEQUENCE also agrees with the SEQUENCE shown between Matt22:7's 70ad events and THEN Matt22:8's "THEN SAITH HE to his servants" (which sequentially follows the 70ad events [what was written in the LATER 95ad time-slot "TO SHEW UNTO HIS SERVANTS"--see Rev7:3! who are specifically-listed persons, who've not existed in their role as of yet!--["TO SHOW UNTO HIS SERVANTS"] certain "future" things, in that Book?]);


... but what you are doing is re-arranging the Dan9:25-27 to suit your own ideas which you've injected into the passage.





Yes.

Speaking of Hebrews, do you know what the following verse is making a point to say? (don't worry, many people don't):


"By so much also, Jesus has become the guarantee / a surety of a better covenant." - Heb7:22


Marinate for awhile in what this verse is saying.

^ @DRobinson ,

I just have one last question for you:

Do you believe that Zechariah 14 (chapter) is speaking of "FUTURE" things (meaning, future to us presently)?


A simple "yes" or "no" will suffice, if you care to respond to this question. = ) If not, that's fine too.

Thanks.


-- [the text of Zech14] https://biblehub.com/kjv/zechariah/14.htm




... just wondering your thoughts about this ("future" to us, or not).






[Note for the readers: the phrase "IN THAT DAY" repeated several times throughout this chapter]

“And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: ( Jesus rejection and crucifixion )

and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; ( the Roman Empire who destroyed and burned Jerusalem shortly after Jesus died and scattered the people o to all nations the Jewish dispersia )

and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week ( three and a half is half of seven referencing the messiah bekng cut off ) he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.”( Rome ended the daily sacrifice when they overtook Jerusalem beforehand )
‭‭Daniel‬ ‭9:26-27‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation. O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!

Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭23:36-38‬ ‭KJV‬‬

when Jerusalem rejected the messiah is what that’s about the time examples aren’t literal ther are based on the number seven it’s why there’s always three and a half that pops up three and a half weeks , three and a half years , times time and a half …… seven is completion three and a half is half or a division ot represents 3 and a half , nt represents 3 and a half . In both Daniel and revelation

The truth is America is the key to the antichrist system coming about which she resurrected the Babylonian system, anything goes multiculturism, which Babylon is represented as human religion, the occult.

The new age movement is the reason the world rebels against God.

Which they interpret the Bible according to the occult and evolution, and people are still evolving to be spiritual, and a god, and Jesus evolved to be an ascended master, and there is no God, and the New Age Christ is the final teacher above Jesus.

The Bible says the time will come the world will not want to hear the truth of the Bible but according to their own lusts, which is the new age movement.

It says they shall come out at the latter times which is the end days of the end days.

Their beliefs are of seducing spirits and doctrines of devils which they follow Lucifer which they believe gave mankind the principle of mind, intelligence, and believe he is a god, and an alien, that wants to cause peace on earth, and to cause mankind to evolve along with the New Age Christ who will be Lucifer inhabiting a human body.

Their conscious is seared with a hot iron which the New Age Christ by peace shall destroy many, and they will go against all people that oppose them looking at them as a disease they must get rid of for peace on earth believing they are doing the will of nature the God of forces.

They will forbid a man and a woman from coming together for population reduction which they believe they do not have to keep the human race going on by birth for they will evolve to be spiritual and live forever.

They will command to abstain from meats which no more eating meat world wide.

The United Nations supports new age organizations and is with the new age movement as well as Science.

Which Science says humans are not from the earth, and the world needs to prepare for an alien encounter.

They believe Lucifer and the aliens with him are going to help mankind to advance, and evolve, which they talk about the return of the gods.

They talk about hostile aliens being among us, and the United States claims to have shot down 4 alien ships.

They also talk about good aliens among us which they say aliens helped prevent a nuclear war.

They will probably stage a fake alien attack on earth by hostile aliens, and then make it look like Lucifer and his aliens defeated them so they are good aliens to convince the world they are good aliens so people will trust Lucifer.

They do not believe Lucifer is a fallen angel because they do not believe in a God.

When the Bible says Lucifer fell they do not believe he fell in to sin and disgrace but he descended from Venus to earth to bring the principle of mind to the then animal-man.

That is what is going on in America is the new age movement who had a hand in the 1960's counter culture movement to get the people away from the 1950's attitude.

This caused the behavior to accept the Woke movement.

This will cause the behavior to accept the new age movement.

Then they will accept the New Age Christ.

The Woke movement will pave the way to the new age movement.

They also had a hand in the feminist movement.

They are using the Woke movement as a combatant weapon against the Republicans saying they are all toxic, bad, and oppressive, for they are the people that stand in their way, so they are trying to get as many people as possible to shun the Republican party so the new age movement can influence more in society.

They influence the children with the LGBTQ community, transgender, for population reduction.

And to cause them to be accepting of the Woke movement.

And to pervert them so they do not care about morals, or Christianity, and a concept of a God.

When the New Age Christ establishes peace in the Middle East with a 7 years covenant he will be considered a great man of peace, and the biggest player on the world scene, and he will push the agenda of the new age movement to try to change the current belief system of the world to the new age movement belief system which the Bible says he will think to change times and laws, and have the support of the nations governments, and arms shall stand on his part, and by peace he shall destroy many.

Which he will convince the world to go against certain people even setting them up as going against the grain which they will do believing they are doing the will of nature their higher power so they have to do it.

It could be that the reason there is no peace treaty as of yet is because the top leaders of Israel are following the Kabbalah which is an occult, and mysticism, interpretation of the Bible, so they are compatible with the new age movement, and they are waiting for the New Age Christ to negotiate peace, and then they will comply so he can start working in the world.

There will be a 7 years peace treaty in the Middle East, and for the first three and one half years salvation is still available to the world, and the last three and one half years the New Age Christ has power over all nations, kindreds, tongues, which he will deceive all people that do not love God to follow him.

When the peace treaty happens it will pave the way for all Hebrews to go back to Israel for the Gentile nations will cause it to happen, and the New Age Christ wants them all back on their land, but God means it for good towards them.

Which God said He will bring the whole house of Israel back to Israel and leave none of them in the nations anymore, and they will know the LORD their God from that time forward, and He will never hide His face from them again.

They talk about angel numbers and the angel number 666 which they believe is a good number according to the Cosmos.

They want to convince the world if they embrace the number 666 they will have the power to transform the world to have peace and harmony, and to evolve to be spiritual, and a god.

The occult believes in the power of numbers, and the timing, adding, and grouping, of numbers, which they believe will give them more power through nature.

6 is the number of a man, or the soul of a man, so they New Age Christ assigned himself the number 666, a triple 6, for he believes it will give him more power through nature to establish his agenda.

Rev 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
Rev 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

chi xi stigma
khee xee stig'-ma
The 22nd, 14th and an obsolete letter (G4742 as a cross) of the Greek alphabet (intermediate between the 5th and 6th), used as numbers; denoting respectively 600, 60 and 6; 666 as a numeral: - six hundred threescore and six.

stigma
stig'-mah
From a primary word στίζω stizō (to “stick”, that is, prick); a mark incised or punched (for recognition of ownership), that is, (figuratively) scar of service: - mark.

The mark of the beast is something stuck under the skin for identification of the person.

Which will be a microchip placed under the skin linked to satellite like a GPS tracking system for humans, and all information about the person including finances on the chip.

United Nations Agenda 21, a sustainability act, which 179 nations agreed to it in 1992, which is also called Agenda 30 for the year 2030 which is when they want it established in all nations.

One of the agendas is to place all people in the cities, and no development can happen outside city limits.

Which affecting the children to be transgender, as well as the youth, young adults, and to be homosexual it will reduce the population so it is easier to fit the people in the cities, and with the forbidding of any children being born will give more room.

The people become the police force of the cities which they will do away with the police force.

That is why they like BLM saying defund the police, and Antifa that is a police force of the citizens, and they say they have no need of cops.

That is why they like to make out cops to be bad for they want the people to dislike them.

That is why they like the big cities, and their neighborhoods to be run down, and crime ridden to show that the police force is not the best solution to fight crime.

All people will be given a microchip in which they can track the movement, and activities of all people, and if a crime happens they will know who was in the area, and how close they were to the crime scene, which will cut out judges, lawyers, and the now known police force.

If they commit a crime and try to get the chip out of them if they can then they cannot buy or sell anything, and if they leave it in then they have nowhere to run for they know where they are at all times.

There will be no more guns which will greatly decrease crime, and cannot be used to fight their way out of a crime, and no more hunting animals.