God's ONE Baptism For His Body!

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We can see that this baptism was not for the forgiveness of sin but for repentance for the forgiveness of sins
Agree:

"John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the​
baptism of repentance for the remission of sins." (Mark 1:4)​

Respectfully disagree, as I cannot 'change' God's Words to my own inter-
pretation (as I struggled with other's preconceptions trying to teach this
to me in my 'baby' years), and also because of:

God's Further Words of Confirmation:

"He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but​
he that believeth not shall be damned." (Mark 16:16)​
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"And all the people that heard him, and the publicans,​
justified God, being baptized with the baptism of John.​
But the Pharisees and lawyers rejected the counsel of​
God against themselves, being not baptized of him."​
(Luke 7:29-30)​
Am I being too prayerful / Careful with Application of
Bible study Rule # 3? Amen.

Precious friend, what think ye?
Could you please explain with a little more detail. I'm not sure what point you are making.
Respectfully, Precious friend, the point was:

No, I don't see this: "baptism of repentance was
notfor the remission of sins" (confirming Scriptures given...)​

So, a little more detail? For further explanation?:

Should we address the context and who this is addressed to?:

1) Context - will this be helpful?:

"The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God;​
As it is written in the prophets, Behold, I send my messenger​
before Thy Face, which shall prepare Thy Way before Thee.​
The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye The​
Way of The Lord, make His Paths straight.​
John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism​
of repentance for the remission of sins." (Mark 1:1-4)​

Context Of God's Prophetic program { as opposed / different from
His Other Context of: Future Mystery Program ( another discussion?) }
may be helpful, or getting way ahead of myself?

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2) Prophecy to/about whom? Nation Of Israel ( as opposed / different from
the Future "Body Of Christ" not 'in view' yet... )

Hope this helps further explain 'my point'...

Amen.
 

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Respectfully, Precious friend, the point was:

No, I don't see this: "baptism of repentance was
notfor the remission of sins" (confirming Scriptures given...)​

So, a little more detail? For further explanation?:

Should we address the context and who this is addressed to?:

1) Context - will this be helpful?:

"The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God;​
As it is written in the prophets, Behold, I send my messenger​
before Thy Face, which shall prepare Thy Way before Thee.​
The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye The​
Way of The Lord, make His Paths straight.​
John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism​
of repentance for the remission of sins." (Mark 1:1-4)​

Context Of God's Prophetic program { as opposed / different from
His Other Context of: Future Mystery Program ( another discussion?) }
may be helpful, or getting way ahead of myself?

+

2) Prophecy to/about whom? Nation Of Israel ( as opposed / different from
the Future "Body Of Christ" not 'in view' yet... )
Hope this helps further explain 'my point'...

Amen.
Your comments make no sense. Read the scriptures s l o w l y. No explanation needed by you or anyone for what the scripture clearly says.

Mark 1:4

4John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.

Luke 3:3

3And he came into all the country about Jordan, preaching the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins;

FOR THE REMISSION OF SINS!!!
 

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Respectfully, Precious friend, the point was:

No, I don't see this: "baptism of repentance was
notfor the remission of sins" (confirming Scriptures given...)​

So, a little more detail? For further explanation?:

Should we address the context and who this is addressed to?:

1) Context - will this be helpful?:

"The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God;​
As it is written in the prophets, Behold, I send my messenger​
before Thy Face, which shall prepare Thy Way before Thee.​
The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye The​
Way of The Lord, make His Paths straight.​
John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism​
of repentance for the remission of sins." (Mark 1:1-4)​

Context Of God's Prophetic program { as opposed / different from
His Other Context of: Future Mystery Program ( another discussion?) }
may be helpful, or getting way ahead of myself?

+

2) Prophecy to/about whom? Nation Of Israel ( as opposed / different from
the Future "Body Of Christ" not 'in view' yet... )

Hope this helps further explain 'my point'...

Amen.
Thanks for the clarification. I'm not trying to be difficult, I just want to be sure I understand what it is you're trying to tell me.

The way you explained the baptism of repentance is a little confusing to me. It kinda looks like 2 negatives. I'm no genius so please more to the point would help. Do you believe Johns baptism forgave sins or not? I'm gonna assume for now you believe it does. So you see it the same as the animal sacrifices for sins?
 

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Thanks for the clarification. I'm not trying to be difficult, I just want to be sure I understand what it is you're trying to tell me.

The way you explained the baptism of repentance is a little confusing to me. It kinda looks like 2 negatives. I'm no genius so please more to the point would help. Do you believe Johns baptism forgave sins or not? I'm gonna assume for now you believe it does. So you see it the same as the animal sacrifices for sins?
Precious friend, no problem at all - I understand how things can awry when
digging deeper into God's Wonderful Mine of Inexhaustible Gems.

So, since we have de-railed this thread, I would like to kindly suggest let's
carry this over to the other thread, where I have already posted 'more to the
point' about water baptism, and asked several important questions, if that's
ok with you?:

Two Of 12 baptisms

Hopefully praying we can continue our Great discussion over there.

Amen.
 

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Precious friend, no problem at all - I understand how things can awry when
digging deeper into God's Wonderful Mine of Inexhaustible Gems.

So, since we have de-railed this thread, I would like to kindly suggest let's
carry this over to the other thread, where I have already posted 'more to the
point' about water baptism, and asked several important questions, if that's
ok with you?:

Two Of 12 baptisms

Hopefully praying we can continue our Great discussion over there.

Amen.
Works for me.
 

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op: God's One Baptism For His Body

Precious friends, Many think water baptism, in addition to The One Baptism
should also be practiced (but for many Various Differing traditional reasons).
Can that possibly be true, According To God's Preserved Word Of Truth?

We know that both are Scriptural, but, we humbly ask, for "which" Dispensation?

1) Yesterday's dispensation of covenants and law, according to prophecy?
or:

2) Today's Dispensation Of Grace, According To The Revelation Of The Mystery?
ie:

Three baptisms, Rightly Divided, Within God's Contexts:

(1) God's Context of Prophecy / Covenants / Law for Israel:

water baptism was man's operation, Commanded by God
to John the baptizer, and then by Christ to:

►►► The Twelve apostles who Were Sent to {water} baptize! ◄◄◄

The two Main ( of 12 Scriptural ) baptisms =

A) water, For remission of sins/induction into Israeli "priesthood!":
(Matthew_3:5-6; Mark_1:4; Luke_3:3; John_1:31; Luke 7:29-30; Acts_10:37)
(Matthew_28:19; Mark_16:16; Acts_2:38, 22:16; Ezekiel_36:25)
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This Is The Baptism That "Christ Performed" after ascending Into Heaven:

B) Baptism With The Holy Spirit, Poured Out By Christ, for
power, signs And wonders!
(Isaiah_44:3; Matthew_3:11; Mark_1:8, 16:17-18;
Luke_24:49; Acts_2:17-18, 38, 8:15-17, 11:16)

Thus, the lost sheep of the house of Israel were saved by "remission of sins"
( by water ), and then were "Baptized By Christ, With" The Holy Spirit.


God's Context Of: Prophecy / Covenants / Law

Q: Are these two "still Required" By God, for us, Today, Under Grace?
Bible Answer:

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15) From “Things That Differ!” {online}:

(2) God's Other Context Of: Mystery/Grace! =

our "One apostle to the Gentiles" for The Body Of Christ:

►►► Paul Was Not Sent to {water} baptize! Why Not?: ◄◄◄

Today: Only One Baptism = "By" The One Spirit = God's Operation,
Spiritually
Identifying members In (The One Body Of) Christ!!
(Ephesians_4:5; Colossians_2:12; Galatians_3:27;
Romans_6:3-4; ►►► 1 Corinthians 12:13 KJB ◄◄◄)

Conclusion:

1a) Today, UNbelievers who repent and have faith are Baptized "By"
The One Holy Spirit, with One Baptism Into The One Body Of Christ,
Seated In The Heavenlies.
This would be 'Dispensational' for us to
teach for building up The Body, today, under Grace.

1b) Thus, for today, Under Grace, the two baptisms of water and with
The Spirit would be Scriptural but, would be 'UNdispensational' for
us, to teach for practice, thus Confusing new babes in Christ!

2) This viable alternate Biblical Option has Certainly Vanquished
Satan's [ 14-part denominational traditions of 'water' baptisms ]
Confusion Into Oblivion! - For me, anyway! - you?

Full study is here: One Baptism!

Amen.

ps. Also helpful is: UnScriptural or UNdispensational?

Amen.
 

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op: God's One Baptism For His Body

Precious friends, Many think water baptism, in addition to The One Baptism
should also be practiced (but for many Various Differing traditional reasons).
Can that possibly be true, According To God's Preserved Word Of Truth?

We know that both are Scriptural, but, we humbly ask, for "which" Dispensation?

1) Yesterday's dispensation of covenants and law, according to prophecy?
or:

2) Today's Dispensation Of Grace, According To The Revelation Of The Mystery?
ie:

Three baptisms, Rightly Divided, Within God's Contexts:

(1) God's Context of Prophecy / Covenants / Law for Israel:

water baptism was man's operation, Commanded by God
to John the baptizer, and then by Christ to:

►►► The Twelve apostles who Were Sent to {water} baptize! ◄◄◄

The two Main ( of 12 Scriptural ) baptisms =

A) water, For remission of sins/induction into Israeli "priesthood!":
(Matthew_3:5-6; Mark_1:4; Luke_3:3; John_1:31; Luke 7:29-30; Acts_10:37)
(Matthew_28:19; Mark_16:16; Acts_2:38, 22:16; Ezekiel_36:25)
+
This Is The Baptism That "Christ Performed" after ascending Into Heaven:

B) Baptism With The Holy Spirit, Poured Out By Christ, for
power, signs And wonders!
(Isaiah_44:3; Matthew_3:11; Mark_1:8, 16:17-18;
Luke_24:49; Acts_2:17-18, 38, 8:15-17, 11:16)

Thus, the lost sheep of the house of Israel were saved by "remission of sins"
( by water ), and then were "Baptized By Christ, With" The Holy Spirit.


God's Context Of: Prophecy / Covenants / Law

Q: Are these two "still Required" By God, for us, Today, Under Grace?
Bible Answer:

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15) From “Things That Differ!” {online}:

(2) God's Other Context Of: Mystery/Grace! =

our "One apostle to the Gentiles" for The Body Of Christ:

►►► Paul Was Not Sent to {water} baptize! Why Not?: ◄◄◄

Today: Only One Baptism = "By" The One Spirit = God's Operation,
Spiritually
Identifying members In (The One Body Of) Christ!!
(Ephesians_4:5; Colossians_2:12; Galatians_3:27;
Romans_6:3-4; ►►► 1 Corinthians 12:13 KJB ◄◄◄)

Conclusion:

1a) Today, UNbelievers who repent and have faith are Baptized "By"
The One Holy Spirit, with One Baptism Into The One Body Of Christ,
Seated In The Heavenlies.
This would be 'Dispensational' for us to
teach for building up The Body, today, under Grace.

1b) Thus, for today, Under Grace, the two baptisms of water and with
The Spirit would be Scriptural but, would be 'UNdispensational' for
us, to teach for practice, thus Confusing new babes in Christ!

2) This viable alternate Biblical Option has Certainly Vanquished
Satan's [ 14-part denominational traditions of 'water' baptisms ]
Confusion Into Oblivion! - For me, anyway! - you?

Full study is here: One Baptism!

Amen.

ps. Also helpful is: UnScriptural or UNdispensational?

Amen.
You said


"Conclusion:

1a) Today, UNbelievers who repent and have faith are Baptized "By"
The One Holy Spirit, with One Baptism Into The One Body Of Christ,"

How? What scripture says this is how?
 

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So there is no (less) confusion. Could you please tell me what point Paul is making in that verse based on the context.
Just for clarity and proper understanding of grace ambassador cited scripture which comes from 1 Cor 1:17, one must read a bit further to understand this. Read 1 Cor 3:6

"6I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase."

Paul was the great speaker, the orator, the convincer, Apollos was doing most of the baptizing.
 

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Your comments make no sense. Read the scriptures s l o w l y. No explanation needed by you or anyone for what the scripture clearly says.

Mark 1:4

4John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.

Luke 3:3

3And he came into all the country about Jordan, preaching the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins;

FOR THE REMISSION OF SINS!!!
In regard to John's baptism in Mark 1:4, was this baptism of repentance for "in order to obtain" remission of sins or was it for "in regard to/on the basis of" the forgiveness of sins received upon repentance? *Be careful. John's baptism took place BEFORE Pentecost. I know about your thief on the cross being baptized under the OT mandate argument. Also, in Matthew 3:11, we read - I baptize you with water "for" repentance.. *Was this baptism for "in order to obtain" repentance? OR was this baptism for "in regard to/on the basis of" repentance? Getting water baptized in order to obtain repentance makes no sense at all. Repentance precedes water baptism. This was also BEFORE Pentecost.
 

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op: God's One Baptism For His Body

Precious friends, Many think water baptism, in addition to The One Baptism
should also be practiced (but for many Various Differing traditional reasons).
Can that possibly be true, According To God's Preserved Word Of Truth?

We know that both are Scriptural, but, we humbly ask, for "which" Dispensation?

1) Yesterday's dispensation of covenants and law, according to prophecy?
or:

2) Today's Dispensation Of Grace, According To The Revelation Of The Mystery?
ie:

Three baptisms, Rightly Divided, Within God's Contexts:

(1) God's Context of Prophecy / Covenants / Law for Israel:

water baptism was man's operation, Commanded by God
to John the baptizer, and then by Christ to:

►►► The Twelve apostles who Were Sent to {water} baptize! ◄◄◄

The two Main ( of 12 Scriptural ) baptisms =

A) water, For remission of sins/induction into Israeli "priesthood!":
(Matthew_3:5-6; Mark_1:4; Luke_3:3; John_1:31; Luke 7:29-30; Acts_10:37)
(Matthew_28:19; Mark_16:16; Acts_2:38, 22:16; Ezekiel_36:25)
+
This Is The Baptism That "Christ Performed" after ascending Into Heaven:

B) Baptism With The Holy Spirit, Poured Out By Christ, for
power, signs And wonders!
(Isaiah_44:3; Matthew_3:11; Mark_1:8, 16:17-18;
Luke_24:49; Acts_2:17-18, 38, 8:15-17, 11:16)

Thus, the lost sheep of the house of Israel were saved by "remission of sins"
( by water ), and then were "Baptized By Christ, With" The Holy Spirit.


God's Context Of: Prophecy / Covenants / Law

Q: Are these two "still Required" By God, for us, Today, Under Grace?
Bible Answer:

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15) From “Things That Differ!” {online}:

(2) God's Other Context Of: Mystery/Grace! =

our "One apostle to the Gentiles" for The Body Of Christ:

►►► Paul Was Not Sent to {water} baptize! Why Not?: ◄◄◄

Today: Only One Baptism = "By" The One Spirit = God's Operation,
Spiritually
Identifying members In (The One Body Of) Christ!!
(Ephesians_4:5; Colossians_2:12; Galatians_3:27;
Romans_6:3-4; ►►► 1 Corinthians 12:13 KJB ◄◄◄)

Conclusion:

1a) Today, UNbelievers who repent and have faith are Baptized "By"
The One Holy Spirit, with One Baptism Into The One Body Of Christ,
Seated In The Heavenlies.
This would be 'Dispensational' for us to
teach for building up The Body, today, under Grace.

1b) Thus, for today, Under Grace, the two baptisms of water and with
The Spirit would be Scriptural but, would be 'UNdispensational' for
us, to teach for practice, thus Confusing new babes in Christ!

2) This viable alternate Biblical Option has Certainly Vanquished
Satan's [ 14-part denominational traditions of 'water' baptisms ]
Confusion Into Oblivion! - For me, anyway! - you?

Full study is here: One Baptism!

Amen.

ps. Also helpful is: UnScriptural or UNdispensational?

Amen.
I haven't replied in a while, hope I haven't missed too much. I didn't see a reply to my question. Sorry if I have missed it. If it's ok with you, I will ask again. It was about you're comment, Paul was NOT sent to water baptize, from 1 Cor. 1:17.

Could you please tell me what Paul's point is based on the context.
 

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Thanks for the clarification. I'm not trying to be difficult, I just want to be sure I understand what it is you're trying to tell me.
No problem, we could certainly wish for a little more of understanding, and,
a little less of bashing, eh?

Appreciate your Great, kind, and challenging discussions...
I haven't replied in a while, hope I haven't missed too much. I didn't see a reply to my question. Sorry if I have missed it. If it's ok with you, I will ask again. It was about you're comment, Paul was NOT sent to water baptize, from 1 Cor. 1:17.

Could you please tell me what Paul's point is based on the context.
Precious friend, 'breaks' are good once-in-while. You might have missed
some of the confusion of:

"Paul did not baptize, but 'Apollos did all the watering' for him'?
[ adding to God's Word? ]
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"water baptism is not 'for' the remission of sins," but is "because of"
sins already forgiven? [ changing God's Word? ]

Now, back to your Great question in this kind and Great discussion:

"Why was Paul NOT sent to water baptize, from 1 Corinthians 1:17?":

"For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel:​
not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be​
made of none effect."​
I believe there are Several Scriptural Reasons that would answer this,
but just so I understand, may I ask "what you see as 'the context to base
it on' here", before I answer, so that I may even be challenged to
'better' answer it?

Thanks.
 

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No problem, we could certainly wish for a little more of understanding, and,
a little less of bashing, eh?

Appreciate your Great, kind, and challenging discussions...

Precious friend, 'breaks' are good once-in-while. You might have missed
some of the confusion of:

"Paul did not baptize, but 'Apollos did all the watering' for him'?
[ adding to God's Word? ]
+
"water baptism is not 'for' the remission of sins," but is "because of"
sins already forgiven? [ changing God's Word? ]

Now, back to your Great question in this kind and Great discussion:

"Why was Paul NOT sent to water baptize, from 1 Corinthians 1:17?":

"For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel:​
not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be​
made of none effect."​
I believe there are Several Scriptural Reasons that would answer this,
but just so I understand, may I ask "what you see as 'the context to base
it on' here", before I answer, so that I may even be challenged to
'better' answer it?

Thanks.
The context is short, from 10-17. Paul is dealing with division in the church at Corinth. People are claiming to be followers of the man who baptized them. Although some did get it right. Paul is thankful he didn't baptize many of them so they couldn't say they were baptized in his name. He said he baptized people so I have to wonder why you put forth the one verse that says he was NOT sent to baptize.
 

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@turbosixx said: "I've been digging into baptism for many years now. I'm very focused on it because it is how one is baptized into Christ. Since that is how one is added, Satan is doing his very best to confuse us."
Correct - a - mundo! Have you found [ 11? of Satan's devices? ] like
I have found?:

Concerning problems with immersion / pouring / sprinkling?

1) How Exactly is "immersion" in it be a beautiful testimony "to
the world" { modern day via internet? }, when it is only done in a
local congregation?

(2) Furthermore problem with this 'beautiful testimony ': How is immersing
young/middle-aged women Any Different than the wet t-shirt contests at
UNgodly liquor establishments? I believe God Said:

"...Be NOT conformed to this world!..." (Romans 12:1-2)​

(3) immersion with a symbolic interpretation?

(4) immersion ONCE in the "name of Jesus?

(5) immersion THRICE in the "name of the Triune Godhead?

(6) immersion {whether once or thrice} for "membership" in
their traditional assembly?

(7) sprinkling water on babies inducting them into religion
washing away their original sin?

(8) sprinkling water on babies inducting them into some covenant?

(9) sprinkling water on babies inducting them into their parent's custody
that they promise to raise them right? {into Mass Confusion?}

(10) sprinkling water on babies, admitting that their ritual is
UNscriptural, but "we do it anyway, because it is our tradition!"?

(11) pouring water onto babies or adults for Whatever
traditional reason religion "can come up with"?

Can our should we "dig a Lot Deeper" Into "Rightly Divided" Scripture to
Resolve All this 2000-year-old traditional Confusion?

More Great discussion, eh?

Amen.
 

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@turbosixx said: "I've been digging into baptism for many years now. I'm very focused on it because it is how one is baptized into Christ. Since that is how one is added, Satan is doing his very best to confuse us."
Correct - a - mundo! Have you found [ 11? of Satan's devices? ] like
I have found?:

Concerning problems with immersion / pouring / sprinkling?

1) How Exactly is "immersion" in it be a beautiful testimony "to
the world" { modern day via internet? }, when it is only done in a
local congregation?

(2) Furthermore problem with this 'beautiful testimony ': How is immersing
young/middle-aged women Any Different than the wet t-shirt contests at
UNgodly liquor establishments? I believe God Said:

"...Be NOT conformed to this world!..." (Romans 12:1-2)​

(3) immersion with a symbolic interpretation?

(4) immersion ONCE in the "name of Jesus?

(5) immersion THRICE in the "name of the Triune Godhead?

(6) immersion {whether once or thrice} for "membership" in
their traditional assembly?

(7) sprinkling water on babies inducting them into religion
washing away their original sin?

(8) sprinkling water on babies inducting them into some covenant?

(9) sprinkling water on babies inducting them into their parent's custody
that they promise to raise them right? {into Mass Confusion?}

(10) sprinkling water on babies, admitting that their ritual is
UNscriptural, but "we do it anyway, because it is our tradition!"?

(11) pouring water onto babies or adults for Whatever
traditional reason religion "can come up with"?

Can our should we "dig a Lot Deeper" Into "Rightly Divided" Scripture to
Resolve All this 2000-year-old traditional Confusion?

More Great discussion, eh?

Amen.
You've got a great list of confusion there. Isn't it crazy that all those who propose those differences all believe they are following what the bible says. Obviously, that cannot be true. They all can't be right but they sure could all be wrong. I want to know the truth.

I'm sure you will agree, if we focus on what God's word tells us about water baptism, it should be easy to answer all those questions. We have to be careful though and not make the same mistakes. What I see is most don't understand the big picture and take verses out of context. In doing so they create their own picture.
 

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The context is short, from 10-17. Paul is dealing with division in the church at Corinth. People are claiming to be followers of the man who baptized them. Although some did get it right. Paul is thankful he didn't baptize many of them so they couldn't say they were baptized in his name. He said he baptized people so I have to wonder why you put forth the one verse that says he was NOT sent to baptize.
eggzactly . He wasn’t called to baptize but to preach the gospel of his lord and savior Jesus Christ to the world in hopes some would believe and be saved

“I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius; lest any should say that I had baptized in mine own name. And I baptized also the household of Stephanas: besides, I know not whether I baptized any other.

For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭1:14-17KJV‬‬

The thing is Paul wasn’t his own church wasn’t seperate from anyone else he simply received his own calling and gifts within the same church and body of Christ

Paul was a Jew , of the tribe of Benjamin a Pharisee and strict keeper of the law who denied Christ and the gospel and then began to persecute the church and later he was converted to become a member of the same church he had persecuted . He was a Jewish convert to Christianity this new faith that began with Christ

Then He was chosen like the other eleven as an apostle who would bear witness of the gospel to all the world so people could hear and believe and be saved. ( and even today we have many of his words of witness and testimony like peters and johns and James all the men who god chose to bear his witness to the earth still speak the same words on scriptire )

The apostles were all commanded to preach to all people the same gospel

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

That covers salvation even for us today same salvstion same gospel before Paul even believed it himself …….

pauls claim is just to be one of the apostles and servants of Jesus who preached the gospel.

pauls letter to the Ephesians isnt “what he actually taught them “ it’s a letter he sent after spending three years in person teaching them the gospel of the kingdom

“And now, behold, I know that ye all, among whom I have gone preaching the kingdom of God, shall see my face no more. Wherefore I take you to record this day, that I am pure from the blood of all men. For I have not shunned to declare unto you all the counsel of God. Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood. For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock. Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them. Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of three years I ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭20:25-31‬ ‭KJV‬‬

abut someone reads a letter he wrote to touch on a couple thoughts and woestuons hey had and then we try to forget he preached the gospel of the kingdom three years to them first before he wrote the letter but then …..it makes sense why he’s talking about lol the kingdom of God in the Ephesians letter tho

“Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children; and walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour. But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints; neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks. For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience. Be not ye therefore partakers with them.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭5:1-7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

‬ ‭he had preached the gospel of the kingdom to them three years and later was earning them to not take it lightly and to live right while they can or else he’s saying there paul is saying I mean that letter was written to these people

“behold, I know that ye all, among whom I have gone preaching the kingdom of God, shall see my face no more.”


He later from Roman prison wrote this letter to those he left who he had preached the kingdom of god to for three years

Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, to the saints which are at Ephesus, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus: grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭1:1-2‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Paul’s a messenger of the gospel like Peter and the others

Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭1:1‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God,”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭1:1‬ ‭KJV‬‬

They are one group of messengers preaching the message Jesus taught them and then died and rose and ascended up to heaven

Paul preached the gospel of the kingdom until his execution at rome like most of the apostles

“And Paul dwelt two whole years in his own hired house, and received all that came in unto him, ( Jew and gentile ) preaching the kingdom of God, and teaching those things which concern the Lord Jesus Christ, with all confidence, no man forbidding him.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭28:30-31‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The gospel is what we find in the gospel according to Matthew the gospel according to mark the gospel according to John and gospel according to Luke ( Paul’s ministry companion )

We have four eye witness accounts of the gospel of of the lord it’s the only gospel ever given by god and is filled with his grace towards believers and promises of salvation to those who hear and believe him

There’s nothing more needed but to hear the truth and be saved
 

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eggzactly . He wasn’t called to baptize but to preach the gospel of his lord and savior Jesus Christ to the world in hopes some would believe and be saved

“I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius; lest any should say that I had baptized in mine own name. And I baptized also the household of Stephanas: besides, I know not whether I baptized any other.

For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭1:14-17KJV‬‬

The thing is Paul wasn’t his own church wasn’t seperate from anyone else he simply received his own calling and gifts within the same church and body of Christ

Paul was a Jew , of the tribe of Benjamin a Pharisee and strict keeper of the law who denied Christ and the gospel and then began to persecute the church and later he was converted to become a member of the same church he had persecuted . He was a Jewish convert to Christianity this new faith that began with Christ

Then He was chosen like the other eleven as an apostle who would bear witness of the gospel to all the world so people could hear and believe and be saved. ( and even today we have many of his words of witness and testimony like peters and johns and James all the men who god chose to bear his witness to the earth still speak the same words on scriptire )

The apostles were all commanded to preach to all people the same gospel

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

That covers salvation even for us today same salvstion same gospel before Paul even believed it himself …….

pauls claim is just to be one of the apostles and servants of Jesus who preached the gospel.

pauls letter to the Ephesians isnt “what he actually taught them “ it’s a letter he sent after spending three years in person teaching them the gospel of the kingdom

“And now, behold, I know that ye all, among whom I have gone preaching the kingdom of God, shall see my face no more. Wherefore I take you to record this day, that I am pure from the blood of all men. For I have not shunned to declare unto you all the counsel of God. Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood. For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock. Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them. Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of three years I ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭20:25-31‬ ‭KJV‬‬

abut someone reads a letter he wrote to touch on a couple thoughts and woestuons hey had and then we try to forget he preached the gospel of the kingdom three years to them first before he wrote the letter but then …..it makes sense why he’s talking about lol the kingdom of God in the Ephesians letter tho

“Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children; and walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour. But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints; neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks. For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience. Be not ye therefore partakers with them.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭5:1-7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

‬ ‭he had preached the gospel of the kingdom to them three years and later was earning them to not take it lightly and to live right while they can or else he’s saying there paul is saying I mean that letter was written to these people

“behold, I know that ye all, among whom I have gone preaching the kingdom of God, shall see my face no more.”


He later from Roman prison wrote this letter to those he left who he had preached the kingdom of god to for three years

Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, to the saints which are at Ephesus, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus: grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭1:1-2‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Paul’s a messenger of the gospel like Peter and the others

Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭1:1‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God,”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭1:1‬ ‭KJV‬‬

They are one group of messengers preaching the message Jesus taught them and then died and rose and ascended up to heaven

Paul preached the gospel of the kingdom until his execution at rome like most of the apostles

“And Paul dwelt two whole years in his own hired house, and received all that came in unto him, ( Jew and gentile ) preaching the kingdom of God, and teaching those things which concern the Lord Jesus Christ, with all confidence, no man forbidding him.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭28:30-31‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The gospel is what we find in the gospel according to Matthew the gospel according to mark the gospel according to John and gospel according to Luke ( Paul’s ministry companion )

We have four eye witness accounts of the gospel of of the lord it’s the only gospel ever given by god and is filled with his grace towards believers and promises of salvation to those who hear and believe him

There’s nothing more needed but to hear the truth and be saved
I think we're on the same page. I agree 100% Paul preached the same gospel as the 12. I also suggest Paul was giving the exact same instructions as the 12 in the great commission. I agree with the last comment but of course there is a lot in there and there are varying understandings of it.
 

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No problem, we could certainly wish for a little more of understanding, and,
a little less of bashing, eh?

Appreciate your Great, kind, and challenging discussions...

Precious friend, 'breaks' are good once-in-while. You might have missed
some of the confusion of:

"Paul did not baptize, but 'Apollos did all the watering' for him'?
[ adding to God's Word? ]
+
"water baptism is not 'for' the remission of sins," but is "because of"
sins already forgiven? [ changing God's Word? ]

Now, back to your Great question in this kind and Great discussion:

"Why was Paul NOT sent to water baptize, from 1 Corinthians 1:17?":

"For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel:​
not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be​
made of none effect."​
I believe there are Several Scriptural Reasons that would answer this,
but just so I understand, may I ask "what you see as 'the context to base
it on' here", before I answer, so that I may even be challenged to
'better' answer it?

Thanks.
You're not understanding baptism and the reason and necessity of it. Very clearly, baptism is NOT because of the remission or sins going back to John's baptism.

Acts 22:16

16And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
 

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The context is short, from 10-17. Paul is dealing with division in the church at Corinth. People are claiming to be followers of the man who baptized them. Although some did get it right. Paul is thankful he didn't baptize many of them so they couldn't say they were baptized in his name...
Thanks for sharing your understanding of the Immediate 'short' context:

"Now I beseech you, brethren, by The Name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that​
ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you;​
but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same​
judgment. For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them​
which are of the house of Chloe, that there are contentions among you.​
Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos;​
and I of Cephas; and I of Christ. Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for​
you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?​

I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius; Lest any should say that I had baptized in mine own name. And I baptized also​
the household of Stephanas: besides, I know not whether I baptized any​
other." (1 Corinthians 1:10-16)​
He said he baptized people so I have to wonder why you put forth the one verse that says he was NOT sent to baptize.
"For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel:​
not with wisdom of words, lest The Cross Of Christ should be​
made of none effect."​
Is there a 'longer' Context, From God, that would further
explain why water baptism {law} is Being De-Emphasized and
The Preaching Of The Cross (Grace) is Being More emphasized During:

Amen.
 

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Briefly:
Today: Only ONE Baptism = "BY" The ONE Spirit = God's OPERATION,
Spiritually Identifying members In (The ONE Body Of) CHRIST!!
(Ephesians 4:5; Colossians 2:12; Galatians 3:27;
Romans 6:3-4; 1 Corinthians 12:13 KJB!)
-------------------------------------------------
Expanded Version, For your Edification/spiritual Building Up!, follows:

God’s Doctrine of ONE Baptism Under HIS GRACE!

Grace and Peace! To ALL Dear Readers who have Persevered
through the many previous baptisms, and have come to this
point of Weighing ALL Of God’s Scriptural Evidence In HIS Very
Critically Important Doctrine Of Baptisms!

Is God’s Doctrine of ONE Baptism, as many think, water?

We are Spiritually Identified With (Baptized Into) CHRIST, HIS
Crucifixion, HIS Death, HIS Burial, And HIS Resurrection!

(Sounds like The Greatest News I've Ever heard!), so…

...some of The Confirming Scriptures:

Romans 6:3 ...Baptized Into JESUS CHRIST...Baptized Into HIS Death!

Romans 6:4 ...Buried With HIM By Baptism Into Death!

Romans 6:6 ...Crucified (JESUS' Baptism?) With HIM! - And also:

“For as many of you as Have Been BAPTIZED Into
CHRIST
Have Put On CHRIST!” (Galatians 3:27!)

How does a physical ritual "Baptize us into a Spiritual Organism"?

In addition, there is NO water Found “In God's Context” Of Any Of
These Baptism Passages! }, Precious friend(s), do you Agree With God?
Or, can we simply Add/Infer water into HIS Context "to fit" another view?

With The SuperNatural Help Of The Blessed Holy Spirit, And Comparing
Spiritual Scripture WITH Spiritual Scriptures (1 Corinthians 2:13!),
This ONE Baptism Makes us Spiritually:

“COMPLETE In HIM, WHO Is The Head Of ALL principality and power!”
(Colossians 2:10!), having:

“...The Circumcision Made WITHOUT HANDS { God’s Operation? }
...The Circumcision Of CHRIST!” (Colossians 2:11!), And Spiritually:

“Buried With HIM In BAPTISM, Wherein Also ye Are Risen With
HIM Through The Faith Of THE OPERATION Of God, Who
Hath RAISED HIM From The Dead!” (Colossians 2:12!), AND
Further:

“Not by works of righteousness {water?} which we have done, But
According To HIS Mercy HE SAVED us By The WASHING of REGENERATION
{Operation Of God’s BLOOD? }, And RENEWING Of The Holy Ghost!” (Titus 3:5!)

“Which HE Shed on us Abundantly Through JESUS CHRIST our SAVIOUR!”
(Titus 3:6!)

This Should “Complete The Spiritual OPERATION” of The Triune GodHead,
But, Are we done “Comparing ALL The Scriptures” Of The ONE Baptism?
All diligent students Should see That, In:

The Revelation Of The Mystery (Gospel Of GRACE For "us Today”),
with a Prayerful and Careful study, Rightly Divided, God Teaches:

Ephesians 4:5 KJB, Clearly States: “...One LORD, one faith, ONE BAPTISM...”
{perchance Paul was mistaken, and he really meant two?}

So, What Saith The Holy Scriptures “In It's Context,” About This ONE Baptism?:

“Endeavouring to keep The Unity Of The Spirit in the bond of Peace!
There is One Body, and One Spirit, even as ye are called in One hope
of your calling; One LORD, One faith, ONE Baptism, One God And Father
of ALL, Who Is Above ALL, and through All, and In you All!”
(Ephesians 4:3-6!)

Are we All Really "endeavouring to keep this "Unity"?

Now, unless we are mistaken, there are 3 choices of understanding
God’s Context In This Critically Important Passage!:

1) all “physical” { Wrong "unity" } = Destruction of “HIS Context," agreed?

2) “combo” of 6 Spiritual + 1 “physical,” lifted “out, and”

“isolated”​



From HIS Context, to be interpreted as: “water” baptism =
Destruction { NO Unity! } Of God's Context, agreed?

3) These Seven Unities Of God's Spirit are All Spiritual, so
now we kindly/humbly ask, Is God’s ONE Baptism “Spiritual”?

Let us, Finally:
Make ONE More "Scriptural Comparison" (1 Corinthians 2 : 13!), And Ask:
“What Saith The Scripture?” And, The ONE Answer we hear, From God, IS:

For 'BY' ONE Spirit are we all Baptized Into ONE Body, whether
we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; And Have
Been ALL Made To Drink Into ONE Spirit!"
(1 Corinthians 12:13 KJB!)

UNITED! Or Severely Divided?

If This "ONE BAPTISM" Is Not = The OPERATION Of God,”
then we would have to concede that it is:

men & religion with ‘water' that saves us – any takers?

{ Please advise: Is it not sin to take God’s “Spiritual Operation" Of "ONE
Baptism," and for men To “ADD to IT Or Replace IT with” water? Is this
[ Wrongly Combining, instead of "Rightly Dividing, God's Word of Truth" ]
not why the “weak And Severely Divided Church” is Thoroughly Confused? }

“For God Is not The Author of confusion, but Of PEACE,
as in ALL churches of the saints!” (1 Corinthians 14:33 KJB!)
Amen?

Thus, All True Believers who come to God, In The Way God Has
Prescribed In His HOLY WORD, By The Gospel Of The GRACE Of God,
And Place Complete 100% faith In:

The LORD JESUS CHRIST, In HIS Precious BLOOD, And In HIS Resurrection!

Will ALWAYS have spiritual UNITY!, In:

God's “Spiritual OPERATION” Of Eternal Salvation For EverMore! Amen?

Are All in "agreement With God" with your Final Verdict Of HIS Truth!?
(1 Corinthians 1:9-18 cp Romans 15:6; Philippians 1:27!)

IF so, could that Really be the start of practical earthly UNITY Of
The Already "spiritually UNITED ( members one of another!” ), Church
{ In Heaven! }, Which Is HIS Body, Of CHRIST!? (Ephesians 4:3 KJB!)

And, That "fellowship Based On" our mutual FAITH In CHRIST!
{ instead of VARIOUS Unsound water doctrines! } Amen?

Please pray for this “Unity Of The Spirit In The Bond Of Peace!” And,
thanks kindly For Your Patient Review of This Critically Important study!

ONE BAPTISM Video IF you wish...

And, Please Be Very RICHLY Blessed!
==========================================================
LORD JESUS, thank You for This Precious Word Of Truth That Has Solved my
"confusion." May This Also be used for the Encouragement of Many others.
Amen.

God has one forgiveness for all those who believe in him.