Attributes of Humanity that Angels do not have.
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First of all, we do not have the original Hebrew scriptures, just copies of copies of copies of copies, etc...
Second, I believe God has preserved his pure words in English in the KJV. Take it or leave it. Inspiration without preservation is useless.
Lastly, I don't want to be a Hebrew scholar. Who am I to think I can interpret God's word correctly?
Second, I believe God has preserved his pure words in English in the KJV. Take it or leave it. Inspiration without preservation is useless.
Lastly, I don't want to be a Hebrew scholar. Who am I to think I can interpret God's word correctly?
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angels are spiritual messengers or “ ministers “ and men re the children and hiers of god
“being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, This day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, And he shall be to me a Son?
And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, And his ministers a flame of fire.
But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, Until I make thine enemies thy footstool? Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?”
Hebrews 1:4-7, 13-14 KJV
angels are spiritual servants of god men are his children his hiers
as you see men rejoice and celebrate in song as children because what was done was done to save them
“And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; and hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.
(But you see angels orderly praising and exalting as servants orderly and loudly speaking glory and praise and honor unto God and the lamb )
And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands; saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing.”
Revelation 5:9-12 KJV
The men are celebrating because it’s about them d their salvstion and redemption so their singing and celebrating “worthy is the lamb who was slain he redeemed us with his blood and made us royalty who will reign “
the angels are stating the same things but aren’t claiming it’s been done for them they are just stating the truth he is worthy of all creations praise because he gave his life to save us
what I mean to say is I don’t think it’s a matter of grace but moreso that angels and mankind have to totally different purposes and roles and places in Gods original creation which is gods kingdom and will be in the end as it was in the beginning
i think angels simply aren’t mankind and don’t have the same role and place and inheritance and namesake men are gods children even from Adam
“which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.”
Luke 3:38 KJV
That’s what god made mankind to be in the creation his children
But angels weren’t made to be gods cchildren but his spiritual ministers who would minister to mankind for him leading to thier salvstion and glorification as his children in Christ
“Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; and deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage. For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham. Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people. For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted.”
Hebrews 2:14-18 KJV
Satan and his angels can’t be forgiven not because godnisnt gracious but because they weren’t tempted through flesh and blood he and later they were the ones tempting man through thier flesh and blood
the deceived on one hand and the source of deception on the other you have grace when you’ve been “led astray and bamboozled , run amuck “
but when your the one’s doing the leading astray and bamboozling hell is created just especially for and because of you
“Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:”
Matthew 25:41 KJV
It wasn’t that the devil “ sinned “ because someone tricked and deceived him it was that he himself led a rebellion against god in heaven trying To overthrow God and be made god himself .
But man the Bible clearly states that man is tempted by the devil and his servants to commit sin , not open knowing rebellion but temptations to just do what we understand god has said is sin and will bring death .
temptation comes from the spiritual evil ( Satan and his fallen angels ) in the world and to mankind thisnos dofferent situation
if you have an enemy that declares war against you and then goes out deceiving your people and inciting rebellion , some of those he deceived who repent you may forgive if you have grace . But those leading the rebellion and those who join unrepentantly you having grace doesn’t change what they are committed to nd have refused to change
repentance works together with grace and is allowed because of grace without repentance grace cannot save angels do not know repentence even faced with thoer destroyer and creator
“And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time? So the devils besought him, saying, If thou cast us out, suffer us to go away into the herd of swine. And he said unto them, Go. And when they were come out, they went into the herd of swine: and, behold, the whole herd of swine ran violently down a steep place into the sea, and perished in the waters.”
Matthew 8:29, 31-32 KJV
they aren’t repenting for thier evil , they are begging bot to be tormented yet before the time of judgement because they have no option in his presence but to beg and shudder this won’t save them from damnation they can’t be saved because they weren’t flesh and blood they sinned on thier spiritual state and attacked gods creation turning some of them against him
“being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, This day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, And he shall be to me a Son?
And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, And his ministers a flame of fire.
But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, Until I make thine enemies thy footstool? Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?”
Hebrews 1:4-7, 13-14 KJV
angels are spiritual servants of god men are his children his hiers
as you see men rejoice and celebrate in song as children because what was done was done to save them
“And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; and hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.
(But you see angels orderly praising and exalting as servants orderly and loudly speaking glory and praise and honor unto God and the lamb )
And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands; saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing.”
Revelation 5:9-12 KJV
The men are celebrating because it’s about them d their salvstion and redemption so their singing and celebrating “worthy is the lamb who was slain he redeemed us with his blood and made us royalty who will reign “
the angels are stating the same things but aren’t claiming it’s been done for them they are just stating the truth he is worthy of all creations praise because he gave his life to save us
what I mean to say is I don’t think it’s a matter of grace but moreso that angels and mankind have to totally different purposes and roles and places in Gods original creation which is gods kingdom and will be in the end as it was in the beginning
i think angels simply aren’t mankind and don’t have the same role and place and inheritance and namesake men are gods children even from Adam
“which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.”
Luke 3:38 KJV
That’s what god made mankind to be in the creation his children
But angels weren’t made to be gods cchildren but his spiritual ministers who would minister to mankind for him leading to thier salvstion and glorification as his children in Christ
“Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; and deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage. For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham. Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people. For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted.”
Hebrews 2:14-18 KJV
Satan and his angels can’t be forgiven not because godnisnt gracious but because they weren’t tempted through flesh and blood he and later they were the ones tempting man through thier flesh and blood
the deceived on one hand and the source of deception on the other you have grace when you’ve been “led astray and bamboozled , run amuck “
but when your the one’s doing the leading astray and bamboozling hell is created just especially for and because of you
“Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:”
Matthew 25:41 KJV
It wasn’t that the devil “ sinned “ because someone tricked and deceived him it was that he himself led a rebellion against god in heaven trying To overthrow God and be made god himself .
But man the Bible clearly states that man is tempted by the devil and his servants to commit sin , not open knowing rebellion but temptations to just do what we understand god has said is sin and will bring death .
temptation comes from the spiritual evil ( Satan and his fallen angels ) in the world and to mankind thisnos dofferent situation
if you have an enemy that declares war against you and then goes out deceiving your people and inciting rebellion , some of those he deceived who repent you may forgive if you have grace . But those leading the rebellion and those who join unrepentantly you having grace doesn’t change what they are committed to nd have refused to change
repentance works together with grace and is allowed because of grace without repentance grace cannot save angels do not know repentence even faced with thoer destroyer and creator
“And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time? So the devils besought him, saying, If thou cast us out, suffer us to go away into the herd of swine. And he said unto them, Go. And when they were come out, they went into the herd of swine: and, behold, the whole herd of swine ran violently down a steep place into the sea, and perished in the waters.”
Matthew 8:29, 31-32 KJV
they aren’t repenting for thier evil , they are begging bot to be tormented yet before the time of judgement because they have no option in his presence but to beg and shudder this won’t save them from damnation they can’t be saved because they weren’t flesh and blood they sinned on thier spiritual state and attacked gods creation turning some of them against him