Israel Declares War

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cv5 said:
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What is just baffling is at the end of the video, they claim Islam and their perverted false prophet say do not kill women and children, don't even cut a tree down, not to kill anyone... yet they do exactly that. There is a reason why they do this and I think it's worth investigating the "why's" so we have a better understanding. People say their religion dictates it, they seem to deny it does say it, though people have shown me passages where it sort of does say to kill people under certain circumstances. I don't have the time to thoroughly get into their doctrine and read it in context. Does anyone else find it extremely confusing how they are stating Islam doesn't teach to do the things they do, yet they do exactly that?

Perhaps they are no more different than the "Christians" who have gone to war/police actions and committed war crimes on local civilians as well. Oliver Stone loves making movies about such war crimes.
 
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cv5 said:
Watch to the end. They NOW UNDERSTAND that they were duped by Hamas elites cloistered in safety and luxury abroad.
And they admit that the Koran does NOT allow for these massacres.
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Thanks for posting this video brother.
 
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Locoponydirtman said:
All them computers in the room during operation hours yet not one is turned on?
I think this is bad cinema.
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It could be. I am exhausted at trying to figure out what story is and isn't true. This war of information is going to be increasingly more difficult to extract and discern facts.
 
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Locoponydirtman said:
Where is that prophesied
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Ezekiel 37:1 The hand of the Lord was upon me, and carried me out in the spirit of the Lord, and set me down in the midst of the valley which was full of bones,

2 And caused me to pass by them round about: and, behold, there were very many in the open valley; and, lo, they were very dry.

3 And he said unto me, Son of man, can these bones live? And I answered, O Lord God, thou knowest.

4 Again he said unto me, Prophesy upon these bones, and say unto them, O ye dry bones, hear the word of the Lord.

5 Thus saith the Lord God unto these bones; Behold, I will cause breath to enter into you, and ye shall live:

6 And I will lay sinews upon you, and will bring up flesh upon you, and cover you with skin, and put breath in you, and ye shall live; and ye shall know that I am the Lord.

7 So I prophesied as I was commanded: and as I prophesied, there was a noise, and behold a shaking, and the bones came together, bone to his bone.

8 And when I beheld, lo, the sinews and the flesh came up upon them, and the skin covered them above: but there was no breath in them.

9 Then said he unto me, Prophesy unto the wind, prophesy, son of man, and say to the wind, Thus saith the Lord God; Come from the four winds, O breath, and breathe upon these slain, that they may live.

10 So I prophesied as he commanded me, and the breath came into them, and they lived, and stood up upon their feet, an exceeding great army.

11 Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts.

12 Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.

13 And ye shall know that I am the Lord, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves,

14 And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the Lord have spoken it, and performed it, saith the Lord.

15 The word of the Lord came again unto me, saying,

16 Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim and for all the house of Israel his companions:

17 And join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become one in thine hand.

I have included the prophesy about the two sticks because in Ezekiel he gives the punishment of Israel and the Punishment of Judah. They are different time periods. In the book of Leviticus it gives us a principle that if you do not repent after the punishment is over it is increased by 7 fold and if you still do not repent after that it is increased again 7 fold.

When you look at the time period for these two punishments there is only one time in human history when both Israel and Judah could see their punishments end on the same year and that was 1948.

Then as far as Israel becoming a nation in one day:

Isaiah 66:8 Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children.

9 Shall I bring to the birth, and not cause to bring forth? saith the Lord: shall I cause to bring forth, and shut the womb? saith thy God.

10 Rejoice ye with Jerusalem, and be glad with her, all ye that love her: rejoice for joy with her, all ye that mourn for her:
 
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iamsoandso said:
Yes even James and the disciples in Acts 21 I see as the remnant which event is approx. ad59. James they think was in Jerusalem with the disciples and died between ad62-69 so possibly 10 years after Acts 21 when Paul was arrested. You mention them heeding the words and fleeing(when they saw the AOD Jesus mentioned) so bare in mind that if James,the disciples and Paul were still in Jerusalem between ad 59-69 then to them that abomination in their opinion did not yet exist(they would not have been there if they saw it at that time)... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James,_brother_of_Jesus
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The abomination that caused desolation was the death of Jesus on the cross to the end of the sacrifice of animals.
 
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Moses_Young said:
Like the CIA created Al-Qaeda and ISIS, I believe Israel created Hamas. They might be enemies on TV, but I'm sure at the higher levels, they are working hand-in-glove.
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By creating Al Quada, do you mean the CIA/USA armed them to fight/defend against communist Russia? Or is there something I'm missing? They don't really teach history anymore in public school so I could be missing something.

My understanding is that Al Quada was one of the many Mujahadeens (I forget what area of Afghanistan) that other Mujahadeens sort of championed and merged with. I do remember people linking Osama Bin Laden with the Bush family. Do you believe this to be true? If so, is that why/how they started/formed connections between the Bin Ladens and the Bushs'?
 
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As one living in the 1800s, Charles Spurgeon was an eyewitness to Dispensationalism’s ascent, and his reaction to it was priceless:


“We never know what we shall hear next, and perhaps it is a mercy that these absurdities are revealed one at a time, in order that we may be able to endure their stupidity without dying of amazement.”

Perhaps the greatest of these “absurdities” is Dispensationalism’s penchant to misunderstand already fulfilled prophecy as yet unfulfilled."
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Spurgeon died 56 yrs before Israel became a nation yet said the following...

“The Church of Christ” delivered on June 3, 1855 at New Park Street Chapel, Southward:
The hour is approaching, when the tribes shall go up to their own country; when Judea, so long a howling wilderness, shall once more blossom like the rose; when, if the temple itself be not restored, yet on Zion’s hill shall be raised some Christian building, where the chants of solemn praise shall be heard as erst of the old Psalms of David were sung in the Tabernacle . . .I think we do not attach sufficient importance to the restoration of the Jews. We do not think enough about it. But certainly, if there is anything promised in the Bible it is this. I imagine that you cannot read the Bible without seeing clearly that there is to be an actual restoration of the Children of Israel . . . For when the Jews are restored, the fullness of the Gentiles shall be gathered in; and as soon as they return, then Jesus will come upon Mount Zion with his ancients gloriously, and the halcyon days of the millennium shall then dawn; we shall then know every man to be a brother and a friend; Christ shall rule with universal sway.


“Once a Curse But Now a Blessing” delivered on December 6, 1863 at the Metropolitan Tabernacle, Newington:

But the day is coming, yea it dawns already, when the whole world shall discern the true dignity of the chosen seed, and shall seek their company, because the Lord hath blessed them. In that day when Israel shall look upon him whom they have pierced, and shall mourn for their sins, the Jew shall take his true rank among the nations as an elder brother and a prince. The covenant made with Abraham, to bless all nations by his seed, is not revoked; heaven and earth shall pass away, but the chosen nation shall not be blotted out from the book of remembrance. The Lord hath not cast away his people; he has never given their mother a bill of divorcement; he has never put them away; in a little wrath he hath hidden his face from them, but with great mercies will he gather them. The natural branches shall again be engrafted into the olive together with the wild olive graftings from among the Gentiles. In the Jew, first and chiefly, shall grace triumph through the King of the Jews. O time, fly thou with rapid wing, and bring the auspicious day.

“The Restoration and Conversion of the Jews” delivered on June 16, 1864 at the Metropolitan Tabernacle, Newington:

There will be a native government again; there will again be the form of a body politic; a state shall be incorporated, and a king shall reign. Israel has now become alienated from her own land. Her sons, though they can never forget the sacred dust of Palestine, yet die at a hopeless distance from her consecrated shores. But it shall not be so for ever, for her sons shall again rejoice in her: her land shall be called Beulah, for as a young man marrieth a virgin so shall her sons marry her. “I will place you in your own land,” is God’s promise to them . . . They are to have a national prosperity which shall make them famous; nay, so glorious shall they be that Egypt, and Tyre, and Greece, and Rome, shall all forget their glory in the greater splendour of the throne of David . . . I there be anything clear and plain, the literal sense and meaning of this passage —a meaning not to be spirited or spiritualized away—must be evident that both the two and the ten tribes of Israel are to be restored to their own land, and that a king is to rule over them.


“The Leafless Tree” delivered on March 8, 1857 at New Park Street Chapel, Southwark:

If we read the Scripture’s aright the Jews have a great deal to do with this world’s history. They shall be gathered in; Messiah shall come, the Messiah they are looking for—the same Messiah who came once shall come again—shall come as they expected him to come the first time. They then thought he would come a prince to reign over them, and so he will when he comes again. He will come to be king of the Jews, and to reign over his people most gloriously; for when he comes Jew and Gentile shall have equal privileges, though there shall yet be some distinction afforded to that royal family from whose loins Jesus came; for he shall sit upon the throne of his father David, and unto him shall be gathered all nations.


Sounds a whole lot more like what I believe than you do!!!!
 
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God's prophecy states "Then you, my people, will know that I am the Lord, when I open your graves and bring you up from them."

If it really was God, and not the Rothschilds, creating the state of Israel as fulfillment of this scripture, then we will see the Jews acknowledging Jesus as Messiah. That we haven't, makes me suspect the event is more likely to be a conspiracy by men, allowed by the permissive will of God.
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Or a clever deception by someone who would attempt to decieve christians into believing something other than scripture and then wreck our faith.
 
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HeIsHere said:
The abomination that caused desolation was the death of Jesus on the cross to the end of the sacrifice of animals.
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A biblically illiterate conclusion never to be promoted by any Christian.
 
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HeIsHere said:
How is possible for Christians to defy these words.

Imagine if you will where cognitive dissonance takes over the church starting in 1880's
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Regarding the restoration of national Israel to its land Spurgeon consistently and clearly taught to the following key points:
  • Israel as a nation will come to faith in Christ.
  • Israel will have a national or geo-political identity.
  • The political system will be a monarchy, “a king shall reign”
  • Israel will be in the Promised Land
  • The borders will correspond to the promises given to Abraham and David.
  • Israel will hold a special place among the nations in the millennial kingdom.
  • However, Israel remains spiritually part of the church.
  • There will be a national prosperity that will be the admiration of the world
  • That the prophecies of the Old Testament should not be handled in a non-literal fashion
 
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HeIsHere said:
The abomination that caused desolation was the death of Jesus on the cross to the end of the sacrifice of animals.
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this just shows you do not study much.

An abomination is an unclean thing, an idol.. Jesus was not an idol

that makes desolate is the act of a holy or religious place rendered unclean, based on the abomination.

And it is said it will occure in the holy place. or wing of the temple. not the cross.

before you attack a doctrine, you should at least study
 
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Moses_Young said:
You don't know who the remnant are. The so-called Jews don't even know their ancestry, as the temple was destroyed with the genealogical records in 70AD. One way or another, we agree that God is not done with those who claim to be Jews. My belief is that it will be more along the lines of Revelation 3:9 .
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I don;t need to know. God does. And God keeps his promises.. All I have to do is trust him
 
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Smoke said:
What is just baffling is at the end of the video, they claim Islam and their perverted false prophet say do not kill women and children, don't even cut a tree down, not to kill anyone... yet they do exactly that. There is a reason why they do this and I think it's worth investigating the "why's" so we have a better understanding. People say their religion dictates it, they seem to deny it does say it, though people have shown me passages where it sort of does say to kill people under certain circumstances. I don't have the time to thoroughly get into their doctrine and read it in context. Does anyone else find it extremely confusing how they are stating Islam doesn't teach to do the things they do, yet they do exactly that?

Perhaps they are no more different than the "Christians" who have gone to war/police actions and committed war crimes on local civilians as well. Oliver Stone loves making movies about such war crimes.
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"Keep in mind also the principle/practice of taqiyya," as I said at the end of this post (<= link) to you.

Taqiyya is the art of deception, essentially deliberately lying for the cause of the spread of Islam.

The biggest deceptive lie of Islam is that it is a religion of peace.

And many outside of Islam believe that lie.
 
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HeIsHere said:
The abomination that caused desolation was the death of Jesus on the cross to the end of the sacrifice of animals.
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In as much as the book of Acts is called "The Acts of the Apostles" it's intention I think is to record the very actions of those Apostles. We now are separated from the events recorded in Acts by almost two thousand years and as we all notice in modern times we all seem to differ on when and how some of these things were fulfilled. There are multiple camps holding multiple positions in eschatology and to me it stands out that there is another and more secure source of thought on the matter that is the very acts of those Apostles and our Lord recorded right there in the Acts of the Apostles. Now you may disagree that James,Paul and the others had not yet fled Jerusalem in Acts 21 or that they were assembled there in Acts 15 or that Jesus himself told them not to leave in Acts 1 but to me their actions speak louder than men's opinions. They would not have remained there if the AOD was present they would have fled.
 
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JimmyTheLock said:
And, he was a calvinist which makes him a false teacher who should be ignored for his scripture twisting!
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I don't agree with his teaching on that, but I used him because He is Here did. Looks like he had it right on the subject of Israel.
 
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Everlasting-Grace said:
An abomination is an unclean thing, an idol.. Jesus was not an idol

that makes desolate is the act of a holy or religious place rendered unclean, based on the abomination.

And it is said it will occure in the holy place. or wing of the temple. not the cross.
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Of course. And the doer of the deed is the seed of the serpent, the AC yet future. Not the Son of God in the past.

Frankly, @HeIsHere is drunk on amillennial Kool aide and uttering atrocious denials of boilerplate biblical doctrine.
 
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