Baptized With The Holy Spirit

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Romans34

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The Holy Spirit has NEVER baptized anyone.

Matthew 3:11 – “I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost ...”

Mark 1:8 – “I indeed have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost.”

Luke 3:16 – John answered, saying unto them all, I indeed baptize you with water; but one mightier than I cometh, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost ...”

John 1:33 – “And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.”

Acts 1:5 – “For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.”

When John the Baptist was baptizing in Jordan, was John doing the baptizing, or was the water doing the baptizing?
Of course John was! The water was simply what John immersed the candidate with/in. The water didn't do the immersing. John immersed the candidate with/in the water.

When Pentecost was come, Jesus immersed His church in Holy Spirit Power! Jesus did the baptizing, not the Holy Spirit. The Spirit (Power of God) is simply what Jesus immersed the church with/in. The Holy Spirit didn't do the baptizing. Jesus baptized His church with/in the Holy Spirit.

"Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get wisdom: and with all thy getting get understanding." (Proverbs 4:7)
 

Omegatime

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It was common at least with distant travelers that they washed somewhere before entering the temple complex like the pool of Siloam so immersion would be appropriate.
 

hornetguy

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There's no biblical proof that John was baptizing by immersion.
Matthew 3 Reading is fundamental.

5 At that time Jerusalem was going out to him, and all Judea and all the region around the Jordan; 6 and they were being baptized by him in the Jordan River, as they confessed their sins.
 

Wansvic

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There's no biblical proof that John was baptizing by immersion.
Mark 1:9-10
And it came to pass in those days, that Jesus came from Nazareth of Galilee, and was baptized of John in Jordan.
And straightway coming up out of the water, he saw the heavens opened, and the Spirit like a dove descending upon him:

John 3:23
And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized.

Acts 8:38
And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.
 

NightTwister

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Matthew 3 Reading is fundamental.

5 At that time Jerusalem was going out to him, and all Judea and all the region around the Jordan; 6 and they were being baptized by him in the Jordan River, as they confessed their sins.
Reading comprehension is even more important. Nothing there says or suggests immersion.
 

NightTwister

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Mark 1:9-10
And it came to pass in those days, that Jesus came from Nazareth of Galilee, and was baptized of John in Jordan.
And straightway coming up out of the water, he saw the heavens opened, and the Spirit like a dove descending upon him:

John 3:23
And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized.

Acts 8:38
And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.
Nothing in those verses says immersion. They both went down into the water. Did John also immerse himself?
 

hornetguy

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Reading comprehension is even more important. Nothing there says or suggests immersion.
Since the word "baptize" is a transliteration of the greek word "baptizo", we get a pretty good idea of what they meant. That greek word means "to immerse" or "to dip"...

Reading comprehension is, indeed important.

Besides all that, we have a couple thousand years of people understanding/knowing that baptism is "immersion", until someone came along (probably RCC) and decided that pouring water on someone's head is "good enough"....

and..... if pouring or sprinkling was good enough, why DID they both go down into the water? Why didn't they just use a jug of water?

Please, try to use some logic here....
 

Magenta

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Nothing in those verses says immersion. They both went down into the water. Did John also immerse himself?
Do you suppose they stuck a toe in and decided the water was too cold? .:unsure:

And then, oh, just give me a little splash to wash away the filth.
 

NightTwister

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Since the word "baptize" is a transliteration of the greek word "baptizo", we get a pretty good idea of what they meant. That greek word means "to immerse" or "to dip"...

Reading comprehension is, indeed important.

Besides all that, we have a couple thousand years of people understanding/knowing that baptism is "immersion", until someone came along (probably RCC) and decided that pouring water on someone's head is "good enough"....

and..... if pouring or sprinkling was good enough, why DID they both go down into the water? Why didn't they just use a jug of water?

Please, try to use some logic here....
They went down into the water because it was convenient. They would not have used clean drinking water since it wasn't as ubiquitous as it is now. Please try to use some logic here instead of bringing your preconceived ideas to the text.
 

Magenta

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They went down into the water because it was convenient. They would not have used clean drinking water since it wasn't
as ubiquitous as it is now. Please try to use some logic here instead of bringing your preconceived ideas to the text.
If it was simply a matter of convenience, they would not have needed to go to the river to have water poured on them.
 

hornetguy

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They went down into the water because it was convenient. They would not have used clean drinking water since it wasn't as ubiquitous as it is now. Please try to use some logic here instead of bringing your preconceived ideas to the text.
Don't confuse you with the facts, right? You've already made up your mind.... likely because you don't want to be baptized by immersion, so you simply ignore what baptism always was, what the word means, the descriptions of it, and what it symbolizes in scripture, what countless thousands upon thousands of Christians and Biblical scholars know to be true..... yet you, somehow, have the TRUTH about it.... smh then....
shakin' the dust off my feet
 

NightTwister

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Don't confuse you with the facts, right? You've already made up your mind.... likely because you don't want to be baptized by immersion, so you simply ignore what baptism always was, what the word means, the descriptions of it, and what it symbolizes in scripture, what countless thousands upon thousands of Christians and Biblical scholars know to be true..... yet you, somehow, have the TRUTH about it.... smh then....
shakin' the dust off my feet
I was baptized by immersion, so we can remove that from the equation. Thousands and thousands of Biblical scholars believe otherwise too. Either way, that's the appeal to authority fallacy.
 

Wansvic

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Nothing in those verses says immersion. They both went down into the water. Did John also immerse himself?
We are to imitate Jesus. Jesus' own baptism is a prime example of the necessity to be immersed in baptism. One has to have gone under the water in order to come up out of the water.

Mark 1:9-10
And it came to pass in those days, that Jesus came from Nazareth of Galilee, and was baptized of John in Jordan.
And straightway coming up out of the water, he saw the heavens opened, and the Spirit like a dove descending upon him: