He that believeth and is baptized, shall be saved: but he that believeth not shall be condemned.

Thanks for your comments. I have some thoughts but I don't have time to put them in order so that they make sense. However, this question basically is the root of the matter.

What did they fall away from?

From their prior confession of faith that was never firmly rooted and established from the start. Some people may actually start out believing in the Lord just like they believe in a politician (based on their own misconceptions and expectations) then later find out that God does not line up with their original expectations, just like these disciples in John 6 who initially set out to follow Christ, but had a difficult time accepting the words of Jesus in regards to eating His flesh and drinking His blood, then turned and walked with Him no more.

Well since God desires the salvation of ALL MANKIND, He would give the gift of faith to all, not just "the ones He has chosen".

"All men" means all mankind. And "a ransom for all" reinforces that. So clearly you are promoting a FALSE GOSPEL.

So in reality you DO NOT believe God and Christ, who said this: For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. (John 3:17). He also repeated this in other passages.

Wrong. The "all" are all those whom God chose to salvation and whom He has/will give to Christ, that is not everyone.

In light of all these scriptures, we can say for sure that limited atonement taught by John Calvin is false doctrine and is in opposition to what God says.

Looks like Jimmy and I are on the same page here. Then he quotes Romans 8:29, 30 and misrepresents what it says.

Unfortunately for you... limited atonement is false doctrine according to scripture.

The Father sovereignly decided to make man in His own Image which is why all men have free will. He said in His Word than we are predestined to be conformed to the image of Jesus Christ (Romans 8:29), and we are to be followers of God as dear children (Ephesians 5:1)

God's Word says man is without excuse (Romans 1:20), the grace that brings salvation has come upon all men (Titus 2:11-13)

God's Word says it's not God's will that any perish and He wants all to come to repentance (2 Peter 3:9), and He has commanded men everywhere to repent (Acts 17:30), and has given every man faith (Romans 12:3)

Jesus said if He be lifted up He would draw all men until Himself (John 12:32), and Jesus has tasted of death for every man (Hebrews 2:9)

In light of all these scriptures, we can say for sure that limited atonement taught by John Calvin is false doctrine and is in opposition to what God says.

Here's the scripture references that prove john calvin's false doctrine of limited atonement is... FALSE DOCTRINE!


Romans 8:29,30
For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

*God foreknew ALL human beings He created... as in, He knew they were going to be created and He provide an avenue for each one to be able to get saved if they will submit themselves to God and resist the devil...

Romans 1:19-21
Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

*This is WHY not everyone gets saved even though the Lord has provided a way for all to be saved... as verse 19 tells us - man is without excuse!

Titus 2:11,12
For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;

2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

Acts 17:30
And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:

John 12:32
And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.

*It's too bad calvinists don't believe Jesus knows what He's talkin about View attachment 258532

Hebrews 2:9
But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Romans 12:3
For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.

You obviously didn't read the verses I included that define who the "all" are.

James Chapter 2

1 My brethren, have not the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ of glory with respect of persons. 2 For if there shall come into your assembly a man having a golden ring, in fine apparel, and there shall come in also a poor man in mean attire, 3 And you have respect to him that is clothed with the fine apparel, and shall say to him: Sit thou here well; but say to the poor man: Stand thou there, or sit under my footstool: 4 Do you not judge within yourselves, and are become judges of unjust thoughts? 5 Hearken, my dearest brethren: hath not God chosen the poor in this world, rich in faith, and heirs of the kingdom which God hath promised to them that love him?

6 But you have dishonoured the poor man. Do not the rich oppress you by might? and do not they draw you before the judgment seats? 7 Do not they blaspheme the good name that is invoked upon you? 8 If then you fulfill the royal law, according to the scriptures, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself; you do well. 9 But if you have respect to persons, you commit sin, being reproved by the law as transgressors. 10 And whosoever shall keep the whole law, but offend in one point, is become guilty of all.

11 For he that said, Thou shalt not commit adultery, said also, Thou shalt not kill. Now if thou do not commit adultery, but shalt kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law. 12 So speak ye, and so do, as being to be judged by the law of liberty. 13 For judgment without mercy to him that hath not done mercy. And mercy exalteth itself above judgment. 14 What shall it profit, my brethren, if a man say he hath faith, but hath not works? Shall faith be able to save him? 15 And if a brother or sister be naked, and want daily food:

16 And one of you say to them: Go in peace, be ye warmed and filled; yet give them not those things that are necessary for the body, what shall it profit? 17 So faith also, if it have not works, is dead in itself. 18 But some man will say: Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without works; and I will shew thee, by works, my faith. 19 Thou believest that there is one God. Thou dost well: the devils also believe and tremble. 20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, offering up Isaac his son upon the altar? 22 Seest thou, that faith did co-operate with his works; and by works faith was made perfect? 23 And the scripture was fulfilled, saying: Abraham believed God, and it was reputed to him to justice, and he was called the friend of God. 24 Do you see that by works a man is justified; and not by faith only? 25 And in like manner also Rahab the harlot, was not she justified by works, receiving the messengers, and sending them out another way?

26 For even as the body without the spirit is dead; so also faith without works is dead.

So you believe God has no clue about what's going to happen in the future?

And, you believe when God created each person it was NOT His intent for them to abide In Him and be a part of God's family even though scripture says it was??

The word "predestined" or "predestinated" means that God knows EXACTLY what will happen the future.

as we clearly see, even when God draws you to Him, it is possible to reject Him.

Romans 8:29
For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

What part of "He also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son" can't you understand?

Romans 1 even shows us how this is much like how God has Drawn All of us to Him. but as we clearly see, even when God draws you to Him, it is possible to reject Him.

so, God, not only Died for every single Person who has, is, and will be living, but, He also has Drawn All of them to Him.
But only a few, compared to the whole of all humanity, choose the Narrow Path.

[Rom 9:8, 11, 13, 15-16, 18, 20-24 KJV]
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these [are] not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed. ...
11 (For [the children] being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth...
13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated. ...
15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
16 So then [it is] not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy. ...
18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will [have mercy], and whom he will he hardeneth. ...
20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed [it], Why hast thou made me thus?
21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
22 [What] if God, willing to shew [his] wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,
24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?

Give me a minute.

Holy Moly someone who takes single Verses out of complete context and then makes them into a conglomerate thought.

Wow, this is a lot to unfold here.

Before I get into this, there's about 30 Verses that claim the majority of the points you are attempting to make are for the JEWS only.

Let me grab the Tanakh and the Greek.

I hope everything can fit on 1 page, but, give me time and I will directly respond to each Verse.

First, they were not taken out of context at all, some verses that were not germane were not included for ease of understanding.
However, I can put them in if you want, or, after all, they're not secret and there to be read if desired.
Those verses were not taken individually from different places but were all from the same chapter in physical
proximity to each other.
Second, it does not pertain to the Jews only. Read verse 24. It pertains to all of the elect.

24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?