The Security Of The Believer

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Cameron143

Cameron143

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The_Watchers_2017 said:
we don't know what to bear on our own.
so, how can we bear when we do not have the mind of God?
only way, is to Obey God, to know His Will for us.
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Bear means carry. Produce means create.
The Spirit produces the fruit and we manifest it. This is why God gets the glory.
If I act lovingly towards another, I manifest the love of God. But I didn't produce that love...the Spirit produced it in me.
 
The_Watchers_2017

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Cameron143 said:
Bear means carry. Produce means create.
The Spirit produces the fruit and we manifest it. This is why God gets the glory.
If I act lovingly towards another, I manifest the love of God. But I didn't produce that love...the Spirit produced it in me.
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it's still obeying
 
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Kroogz

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JimmyTheLock said:
Unless.... we fail to FORSAKE the sin and we keep doing the sin.
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And I know we have come to differing beliefs. From my studies, the consequences for that is:

Loss of reward, loss of inheritance, Loss of crowns,shame at the Bema seat, possible physical death, losing out on His best for your life, loss of temporal and eternal blessings......Just not the loss of eternal life with him. They will enter the Kingdom naked. That doesn't sound very pleasant to me.
 
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Everlasting-Grace

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Kroogz said:
And I know we have come to differing beliefs. From my studies, the consequences for that is:

Loss of reward, loss of inheritance, Loss of crowns,shame at the Bema seat, possible physical death, losing out on His best for your life, loss of temporal and eternal blessings......Just not the loss of eternal life with him. They will enter the Kingdom naked. That doesn't sound very pleasant to me.
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Sadly a particular person says you will receive loss of salvation..
 
The_Watchers_2017

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1 "I am the true vine, and my Father is the gardener.
2 He cuts off every branch in me that bears no fruit

how can a SINNER, be IN CHRIST, without first being Saved?
 
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Everlasting-Grace

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The_Watchers_2017 said:
1 "I am the true vine, and my Father is the gardener.
2 He cuts off every branch in me that bears no fruit

how can a SINNER be IN CHRIST, without, first being Saved?
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Do you know what the sin unto death means? (1 option)
do you know what it means when someone followed christ for along time, yet never believed in him? (option 2)

Did Jesus say you would never die. or did he not?
 
The_Watchers_2017

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someone is showing their Rebellion, same as Witchcraft.

Reminds me of Romans 1, where God, gives them over to a Reprobate Mind.

they are not arguing with me, they are disputing God's Holy Words directly towards God Himself!
 
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Everlasting-Grace

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The_Watchers_2017 said:
someone is showing their Rebellion, same as Witchcraft.

Reminds me of Romans 1 where God gives them over to a Reprobate Mind.
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Someone is trying to show you truth. But like your refusal (inability) to show where Jesus tells us to repent daily (which he never did) you do not want to hear it. So you say you ignore me, while taking pot shots.

Legalism is dangerous. not only to the lost. but to the saved.

you think your going to walk in and keep posting the same verse 10000 times. and not talk about all the other verese your verse contradicts.

then don't blame me
 
The_Watchers_2017

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i am not here preaching, just presenting God's Holy Word.
i don't care if it's accepted or not.
it's the BIBLE, our Road Map.
if you want to say what it States is False, who am i to stop the Stupid from Happening.
i only suggest, be committed to it.
i only see fence riding going on.
 
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Kroogz

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The_Watchers_2017 said:
1 "I am the true vine, and my Father is the gardener.
2 He cuts off every branch in me that bears no fruit

how can a SINNER, be IN CHRIST, without first being Saved?
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Each believer is made up of many branches. Each believer can bear many varieties of fruit. The branches that we don't utilize the The Father cuts off.

Just like the gardener pruning his tree. He doesn't cut the tree down because some of the branches are dead.
 
The_Watchers_2017

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when you have to use human reason to interpret God's Holy Word, you do not have the infilling of the Holy Spirit.
 
The_Watchers_2017

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Kroogz said:
Each believer is made up of many branches. Each believer can bear many varieties of fruit. The branches that we don't utilize the The Father cuts off.

Just like the gardener pruning his tree. He doesn't cut the tree down because some of the branches are dead.
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Jesus is the VINE, you are only the BRANCH.

how do you think you are the VINE?

that's NOWHERE in the Bible.


these words were SPOKEN by JESUS, He calls HIMSELF the VINE:

1 "I am the true vine, and my Father is the gardener.
2 He cuts off every branch in me that bears no fruit
 
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Everlasting-Grace

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The_Watchers_2017 said:
i am not here preaching, just presenting God's Holy Word.
i don't care if it's accepted or not.
it's the BIBLE, our Road Map.
if you want to say what it States is False, who am i to stop the Stupid from Happening.
i only suggest, be committed to it.
i only see fence riding going on.
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But your not teaching Gods word

Your teaching YOUR INTERPRETATION OF IT.

then you get mad when someone does not agree with you.

Your interpretation of is in error. You can keep trying to use it to prove salvation can be lost all you want. its wrong..
 
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Everlasting-Grace

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The_Watchers_2017 said:
when you have to use human reason to interpret God's Holy Word, you do not have the infilling of the Holy Spirit.
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then why do you use human reasoning?

you can;t even discuss the word. all you have done is mock and call me names for days now.. then yell at me.

And that is God like??
 
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Everlasting-Grace

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The_Watchers_2017 said:
Jesus is the VINE, you are only the BRANCH.

how do you think you are the VINE?

that's NOWHERE in the Bible.
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I am made up of many branches..

God prunes me by cutting of the dead part.

He lifts me up off the ground,, He does whatever he needs to do so i will produce fruit

Gods people produce fruit. Only those who are not Gods do not produce fruit..
 
The_Watchers_2017

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you really are skilled in Lying.
had you only been with me at the Bay.
really would have been some truly serious fun ;)
 
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