Do you not understand?

Feeding of the 4 & 5 Thousand

Lord does nothing without foretelling his servants the future. Take Malachi 4:2 for example.
But for you who fear my name the sun of righteousness shall rise, with healing in its wings ( or rays ). You shall go forth leaping like calves from the stall (grave).
I see this scripture as being meant for the Hebrews and telling of a future resurrection. On that Passover weekend I also see a time element being spoken. Notice the word sun and not son. Not an error in translation; Lord was saying the sun being made on the fourth day, predicted his entry and coming into Jerusalem on that Passover after 4000 years, also the revolution of the year.
Parables and stories are there to alert us things which are shortly coming to pass and for me none is greater than the story of the feeding of the 4 and 5 thousand.
“Why do you discuss the fact that you have no bread? Do you not yet perceive or understand? Are your hearts hardened? 18 Having eyes do you not see, and having ears do you not hear? And do you not remember? 19 When I broke the five loaves for the five thousand, how many baskets full of broken pieces did you take up?” They said to him, “Twelve.” 20 “And the seven for the four thousand, how many baskets full of broken pieces did you take up?” And they said to him, “Seven.” 21 And he said to them, “Do you not yet understand?” Mark 8
What a question? Do you not understand? Well, first the baskets. From the Greek manuscripts we see a portent concering the baskets. The basket used to feed the 5000 was a kophino, and the basket used to feed the 4000 was a spuris. This holds true in all 4 gospels whenever the baskets are mentioned, as well in the book of Acts. The kophino basket used to feed the 5000 was jewish because when the people followed Jesus across Lake Galilie he was asked questions only a jew was asked, such as, " Our ancestors ate manna in the wilderness
As for the basket used to feed the 4000, Jesus had left the area of Tyre and Sidon in Lebanon and approached the area of Decapolis. Decapolis was a group of ten cities given to the Greeks for their assistance during the times of conquering the territory. When Apostle Paul was fleeing Damascus, he was let down over the wall in a spuris basket---A Gentile basket in a Gentile city. So we can easily say the kophino basket used to feed the 5000 was jewish and the spuris basket jused to feed the 4000 was Gentile. Strongs Concordance for kophino is #2894 and for spuris #4711.
Now to the feeding of the 4 & 5 thousand. If the Lord had wanted,He could have made it come out to the very crumb as to what was needed to feed the multitude. The miracle was the multiplication of food and we will feed them just as Jesus did! The jews were fed with 5 loaves and 2 fish, and the gentiles with 7 loaves and a few (2) fish.
Feeding of the 5000
5 loaves times 2 fish = 10
5000 divided by 10 = 500
500 times 12 baskets left over = 6000
6000 years
For in so many days the world was made, in so many thousand years shall it be concluded. Irenaeus, taught by Polycarp a hearer of Apostle John
Attend, my children, to the meaning of this expression, He finished in six days. This implies that the Lord will finish all things in six thousand years, for a day is with Him a thousand years. And He Himself testifies, saying, Behold, today will be as a thousand years. Therefore, my children, in six days, that is, in six thousand years, all things will be finished. And He rested on the seventh day. This means: when His Son, coming [again], shall destroy the time of the wicked man, and judge the ungodly, and change the-sun, and the moon, and the stars, then shall He truly rest on the seventh day. Barnabas--named an apostle in Acts 14
Feeding of the 4000
7 loaves times 2 fish = 14
4000 divided by 14 = 285.7143
Blessing left over are multiplied
7 baskets left over times 285.7143 =2000
2000 years
This is the number of years till his return. This time is called--The time of the gentiles.
From Pentecost in Acts 2 to Pentecost Revelations 14:14-15

This is my understanding. Your thoughts welcome.

Unless He has a very good reason not to inform His servant's....As noted in 1Co 2:6-8


That mystery was not revealed until Paul received it by revelation.

Secret revealed > {Rom 16:25&26} - {Eph 3:2-4} - {Col 1:25-27 & Col 2:2b &3}

Your speculation, right?

That's ok, but not Scriptural

Again, speculation...........ok, but not Scriptural

Thing about mathematics is a person can make numbers say whatever they want if they work at it enough.

This post is really stretching Bible interpretation.

At the start of this calculation I thought the sum was going to end up being 666.

What I actually do understand and this op is no exception, is that people just really really really want to know the future...especially their own. Yet, the Bible forbids going to fortunetellers and the like.

Too bad people just don't take to heart the fact that Jesus said no one knows the hour and these same people who would most likely not engage a soothsayer, think nothing of trying to imagine they can figure it all out without any sort of indication they are on the right track or engaged in some sort of God authorized plan to tell us all what His own Son says He does not know.

Over and over and over again and people have proven to be consistently wrong. I find the fact that people are consistently wrong just proves the Bible is right.

So how many now have stood at some pulpit and declared that Jesus is coming back at such and such a date and when that date comes and goes and nothing has changed, do they have the good graces to acknowledge they are full of baloney and puffed up with their own understanding?

I suppose you are saying that our Lord Yeshua was not God also because he didn't know the Day for God knows all

Acts 1:7; Mark 13:32

Maybe Nehemiah can enlighten us with his knowledge of what Jesus was asking about the baskets? Why was it important to know how many baskets the disciples picked up?

This is from a post our beloved brother @Aaron56 made a while back: source

He spoke these words as Jesus: "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father". But Jesus died and was raised, becoming the Christ, a life-giving Spirit. His nature, then, transcended time and space. For example, while it was not possible to include all believers in Jesus as His body, because He was a singular man with one body, it is now possible to include all believers in Christ.

But let's look at a couple things:

First, what was said is "No one knows..." This is present tense. As in "no one knows at this time". So, who doesn't know,
He said no one (man), angels, nor the Son; so even He did not know. He did not know as Jesus. Only the Father knew.

Let's look at something the Holy Spirit revealed to John:

Revelation 1: "This is the revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show His servants what must soon
come to pass. He made it known by sending His angel to His servant John, who testifies to everything he saw."

So, right away we see that this is the revelation of Jesus Christ given to Him by God.
AND THEN, we see that it was given to an angel to give to John.

Jesus said "No one (man) knows, not the angels, not the Son only God. So...

No man > no angel > no Son > only God.

But Revelation 1 reverses the order of Jesus' words. In this instance,
Jesus who is now the Christ, gives it to an angel to give to John.

But how did Christ get it? From the Father.

When Jesus addressed His departure, He comforted the disciples with many words.
In John 16 this is recorded:

"He (the Father) will glorify Me, for He will take of what is Mine and declare it to you. All things
that the Father has are Mine. Therefore I said that He will take of Mine and declare it to you."

Jesus knew His Father was about to glorify Him with the glory He had in the beginning. He also knew
that all the Father had was His inheritance and that He (Jesus) was about to receive all the Father had.

Well, the Father knew the Day. So, Jesus, as the Christ, is about to receive the knowledge of the Day.

So, when He originally spoke "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels
in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father" He was telling the truth, He did not know.

But now that He was going to the Father to inherit all the Father had, the revelation of the Day would be given to Him.

So, the original order was no man > no angel > no Son > only God.

But, now from heaven, through an angel, Christ gives the revelation to a man, John.

"This is the revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show His servants what must soon come
to pass.He made it known by sending His angel to His servant John, who testifies to everything he saw."

God gives to the >Son gives to the angels >gives to man. This is a complete reversal of the order. The circle is complete.

But if that isn't enough, here is 1 Thessalonians 5

"Now about the times and seasons, brothers, we do not need to write to you. For you are fully aware that
the Day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. While people are saying, “Peace and security,”
destruction will come upon them suddenly, like labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape.

But you, brothers, are not in the darkness...

(So he's making a comparison between two camps: those who ARE in darkness and those who ARE NOT in darkness)
..so that this day should overtake you like a thief. For you are all sons of the light and sons of the day; we do not belong
to the night or to the darkness. So then, let us not sleep as the others do, but let us remain awake and sober."

We are NOT like those who live in darkness. Therefore, the Day of His return will not overtake us like a thief.

Conclusion: we do not presently know the day but WE WILL KNOW THE DAY. No one will know in enough time to
write a book about it or to get rich off of it, but those who remain sober and awake, in the Lord, will not be surprised.

Magenta--you said

But you, brothers, are not in the darkness...

(So he's making a comparison between two camps: those who ARE in darkness and those who ARE NOT in darkness)
..so that this day should overtake you like a thief. For you are all sons of the light and sons of the day; we do not belong
to the night or to the darkness. So then, let us not sleep as the others do, but let us remain awake and sober."

We are NOT like those who live in darkness. Therefore, the Day of His return will not overtake us like a thief.

Conclusion: we do not presently know the day but WE WILL KNOW THE DAY. No one will know in enough time to
write a book about it or to get rich off of it, but those who remain sober and awake, in the Lord, will not be surprised.

Now I dont entirely disagree for we are to know!

Question I have for you is do you know the Everlasting Father?

When Christ fed 5,000 (then later 4,000) with next to nothing it was to show the power of Christ over all things. Even the wind and the waves obeyed Him.

But when the disciples picked up multiple baskets of food that was left over, it was to show the crowds as well as the disciples that God and Christ are not limited in any way. Would they remember how God fed the Israelites with manna in the wilderness day after day for a very long time?

And when Christ asked His disciples to feed the 5,000 He wanted to see if they would recall all His miracles, and say "Lord, just speak a word and there will be enough food for all". Instead they said they could not feed the multitude (which was actually greater than just 5,000 men) then found the loaves and fishes. None of this relates to any timelines.

Nehemiah6--Have you ever studied time from creation?

When the Hebrews followed Jesus across the lake did they not ask of our Lord about the manna in the wilderness?

Well you are wrong about that also.

Jesus said no MAN knows the hour, so unless you are not a man......(shrugs)

Instead of getting snarky because people do not agree with your premise...you asked for what other people think after all....try allowing for what you actually asked for

Sure. Time began at creation, and that was also the Year of Man (Anno Hominis = the Age of Humanity). Using strict Bible chronology, what we have is about 6,030 years since the creation of Adam.

Very good but consider the New Covenant began at his death, not his birth

That is immaterial. What does Anno Domini mean? "In the year of our Lord. So B.C. 4 became A.D. 1.

Nehemiah6, did you go to my website and copy word for word what i been saying for the past 10 years? I'm proud of you. We may not be in full agreement with certain details but were in total agreement on the time.

Bible chronologists agree for the most part the on a day of creation, I believe it was the day of the fall of man, October 22 or 23, the autumn equinox, that's when Adam was cast out of the garden, and when time as we know it began, the year, 4004 B.C.

Christ birth was exactly 4000 years later, between the 15th and 30th of October of 4 BC. For 4000 years the LORD had been at war with mankind. But Jesus brought with him 30 years of peace and good, it was a period of truce. After his baptism in October of 27 A.D. the clock started ticking again, tic-toc, tic-toc. We are now 1996 years from 27 AD. Total number of years to this day, 6027. In three more years on October 10 &11 is Yom-kippur. It will be exactly 2000 years from his baptism. Total, 6030 years. Amazing!

You are terribly wrong about the timing of creation.

When the Lord said it was good or very good, creation was exactly how he planned it. It was a time of no sin and the Feast of Unleavened bread represents this time. So, it was a springtime event when Adam was made and why the Lord was crucified on the sixth day of the week. It was the revolution of the year, Passover to Passover