TEMPLE......TO BE OR NOT TO BE....THAT IS MY QUESTION!!!!!

The daily sacrifice as started by the Mt. Sinai covenant that the Jews (Judaism) go by is the two lambs, one in the morning and one in the evening.

The text in Daniel 8 indicates that the little horn person (the Antichrist) will stop the daily sacrifice. The text in Daniel 9 indicates that the prince who shall come (the Antichrist) will stop the daily sacrifice. The text in Daniel 12-11-12 indicates that the daily sacrifice will be stopped before the abomination of desolation is set up.

Those are not "spiritual sacrifices" but literal, two lambs a day, one in the morning and one in the evening.

So again - how can the Antichrist stop the daily sacrifice without there being a temple built ?

Hasn't daily sacrifice already ceased?

not that i would want to disagree with you for disagreeing, but I don't see a last ditch effort.


Matthew 27:3

NIV - When Judas, who had betrayed him, saw that Jesus was condemned, he was seized with remorse and returned the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and the elders.

KJV - Then Judas, which had betrayed him, when he saw that he was condemned, repented himself, and brought again the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders,

Hasn't daily sacrifice already ceased?

Yep. You are plagued with the standard typical failure to rightly interpret those terms.

And you thought that Satan actually and legitimately "repented"?
Stupid stupid stupid.

It was, as usual, a calculated ploy, plot, deception and LIE. That what Satan does 24/7.

LIE. Every single time Satan is quoted in the Bible, he is uttering a lie. Every time. Thats all that he can do and does.

Until Ezekiel chapter 40 or so. Then the details of suchlike things goes on and on in florid detail for EIGHT CHAPTERS.

And yes, the new covenant DOES INDEED include all of these sacrifices and priestly ordinances so noted in Ezekiel.

FOR ISRAEL and Israel only in the millennium, where they are REDEEMED and RECOMISSIONED to their priestly service to God.

Y'all need to get around a little buddy.

Under what covenant?

Nope you thought satan repented 😊

Are you taking awAy from scripture

Mathew
NIV - When Judas, who had betrayed him, saw that Jesus was condemned, he was seized with remorse and returned the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and the elders.

KJV - Then Judas, which had betrayed him, when he saw that he was condemned, repented himself, and brought again the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders,

I know because satan entered Judas you think Judas was satan

What daily sacrifices? 11 And every priest stands daily at his service, offering repeatedly the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. 12 But when Christ had offered for all time a single sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God,

The Jews don't believe this. They want their rituals. Heck, we have believers on this very forum who would LOVE to follow this tradition and ritual......It would earn them more points for God.

Sure word salad guy. Whatever you say.

because the gospel of salvation was kept a mystery "from understanding" until after the resurrection.

The father told the Jews he had, had enough of there animal sacrifice.

But seeing as the Jews consistently disobeyed God, did they carry on doing it anyway until 70 ad when The the temple was destroyed

I know Jews believe God sent them into exile

Here you go friend

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Isaiah 1:11-17

The Message



11-12 “Why this frenzy of sacrifices?”
God’s asking.
“Don’t you think I’ve had my fill of burnt sacrifices,
rams and plump grain-fed calves?
Don’t you think I’ve had my fill
of blood from bulls, lambs, and goats?
When you come before me,
whoever gave you the idea of acting like this,
Running here and there, doing this and that—
all this sheer commotion in the place provided for worship?
13-17 “Quit your worship charades.
I can’t stand your trivial religious games:
Monthly conferences, weekly Sabbaths, special meetings—
meetings, meetings, meetings—I can’t stand one more!
Meetings for this, meetings for that. I hate them!
You’ve worn me out!
I’m sick of your religion, religion, religion,
while you go right on sinning.
When you put on your next prayer-performance,
I’ll be looking the other way.
No matter how long or loud or often you pray,
I’ll not be listening.
And do you know why? Because you’ve been tearing
people to pieces, and your hands are bloody.
Go home and wash up.
Clean up your act.
Sweep your lives clean of your evildoings
so I don’t have to look at them any longer.
Say no to wrong.
Learn to do good.
Work for justice.
Help the down-and-out.
Stand up for the homeless.
Go to bat for the defenseless.

Yes.....agree. In its fullness.
But there is absolutely no doubt whatsoever that Satan and his fallen host were watching these earthly events at Jesus' arrival and knew the jig was up. Satan knew Jesus and His unmistakenly miraculous works. The demons also knew Jesus and even called Him by Name! And they DID take many certain actions to quash (their view of) God's workings.

But clearly.....as Jesus says, darkness DID NOT fully comprehend The Light.

Jhn 1:5
And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.

See Matthew 4. Also Job 1 & 2.
Satan is WATCHING WATCHING WATCHING and merchandising his lies. Continuously non-stop.

Job 1:7
And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.

Job 2:2
And the LORD said unto Satan, From whence comest thou? And Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.

I thought Judas was Satan 🙄

Aviva
Active member
As the title says, I'm an Orthodox Jewish woman. My Christian sister in law asked me to post a little about us since the subject has come up recently due to recent world issues to answer some confusion/misinformation.

1. Why don't you have sacrifices?
A. Because they can only be done at the temple in Jerusalem buy a Levitical priest. Since the temple no longer exists we can no longer do this.
~~~~~~~~~~~End quote.

Another one million volt lightning bolt to the brain should do the trick and clear your mind.

Plain old-fashioned shock therapy just doesn't have enough juice for a case as severe as yours.

Yes.....agree. In its fullness.
But there is absolutely no doubt whatsoever that Satan and his fallen host were watching these earthly events at Jesus' arrival and knew the jig was up. Satan knew Jesus and His unmistakenly miraculous works. The demons also knew Jesus and even called Him by Name! And they DID take many certain actions to quash (their view of) God's workings.

But clearly.....as Jesus says, darkness DID NOT fully comprehend The Light.

Jhn 1:5
And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.

See Matthew 4. Also Job 1 & 2.
Satan is WATCHING WATCHING WATCHING and merchandising his lies. Continuously non-stop.

Job 1:7
And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.

Job 2:2
And the LORD said unto Satan, From whence comest thou? And Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.

here you go read the full the quote from a Jewish perspective and a new covenant with no more animal sacrifice

https://www.chabad.org/library/arti...sh/Atonement-in-the-Absence-of-Sacrifices.htm

Oh I'm still interested to know your thoughts on post 810 and 812.

Just wondering if you will accept the truth here 🤔

It's worth the read.



Atonement in the Absence of Sacrifices?
By Shmuel Kogan

Question:
Please help me to understand. If the foundation for G‑d’s forgiveness and atonement was initially the sacrifice on the altar in either the Tabernacle or later the Temple, how does one now find forgiveness and atonement, since the Temple and physical sacrifices no longer exist?
Answer:
You ask an excellent question. Are we at a loss with regards to our ability to attain forgiveness from G‑d due to the loss of our Temple?
I’d first like to point out that this question isn’t specific to sacrifices. There are many mitzvot that we cannot perform today because of our exiled state. (See Nowadays, how many of the Torah’s commandments are still in force?) Among the other mitzvot we cannot observe today are pilgrimage to the Temple for the festivals, many tithes, any many laws associated with ritual purity and impurity.
While we are deprived of these many mitzvot, G‑d gave us alternative ways to realize the benefits that these mitzvot afforded us (albeit not in their most ideal form—otherwise we could always have always made do with the alternatives). Let us use sacrifices and atonements as an example:
Some have claimed that atonement can be attained only through blood sacrifice.
This cannot be the case. After all, one of the offerings brought by a sinner was the korban minchah, which was made up of flour.1 We also find in the Torah that both incense2 and monetary donations3 served to atone for the people.4 It should be noted that nowhere in the Torah is it stated that atonement can be found only through sacrifice, never mind blood sacrifice.5
In Temple times, an important part of atonement was normally a sacrifice brought to the Temple. But where does that leave us today, with no Temple and no possibility to sacrifice? Let us look to the Torah for a precedent.
In the book of Jonah, the people of Nineveh had sinned and G‑d was going to punish them. When Jonah showed them the error of their ways, they fasted and prayed, and were forgiven. The same thing happened in the book of Esther. Living in Persia between the first and second Temples, they fasted, regretted their sins and were forgiven. These historical examples clearly show that when there is no Temple, sincere teshuvah (repentance) is all that G‑d demands.
In fact, this was always part of the system. King Solomon himself, in his speech dedicating the first Holy Temple, already anticipates the possibility of Israel being denied access to the holy place:
Here is a thought on contemporary (sacrificeless) atonement:
Our sages tell us 7 that the world stands on three pillars: Torah, avodah (literally, “work” or “service”) and gemilut chassadim (kindness and charity). We can approach this particular issue from the perspective of any one of these pillars.
Torah: The Talmud8 says that one who delves into the laws of sacrifices is considered as if he has actually offered a sacrifice. By studying the laws and their meanings, we achieve the atonement and closeness to G‑d that a sacrifice accomplishes.
Avodah: We replace the sacrificial “service of G‑d” with prayer, the service of the heart articulated in words. In the words of the prophet Hosea: “We will render the prayers of our lips in place of the sacrifices of bullocks.”9 As such, the three daily prayers are in place of the daily “services” and sacrifices that were performed in the Temple. On Shabbat we add the Musaf prayer, since an additional sacrifice was offered in the Temple every Shabbat. Another avenue to fill the void.
Gemilut Chassadim: Giving charity, giving of oneself, is also considered to be a method of finding atonement. One who gives his hard-earned money to charity is, in a sense, truly giving of himself—sacrificing himself for the greater good. This might be the ultimate form of sacrifice, as he is really giving something of himself—money that could have been spent for his personal benefit and gain.
After all is said and done, though, your question should really remain a question. We should ask this question of G‑d every day, asking Him when He will return to us the Temple in Jerusalem, so that we will once and for all truly be able to fill this void with the real McCoy.
I hope this helps.
All the best,
Rabbi Shmuel Kogan,
Chabad.org