The Error of KJV-Onlyism

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Bible_Highlighter

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If it weren't for the Greek, you would have to give up on English translations of non-existent manuscripts.
I am not denying that perfect Greek manuscripts once existed. They just do not exist today to our knowledge. That’s why God moved with the times. God is not stuck in the past. The Lord our God is not the God of the dead (living in the past with some dead language), but He is the God of the living.
 

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I created a music video yesterday (from a song by Christian artist Michael Card). This video is a part of my "101 Reasons for the KJB" free PDF that I am still working on. More specifically, this video is in my 20-page section about the KJV in American History. However, if you watch the video, you will not see anything about how the KJV is the perfect Word of God (although it does tie into my write-up).

Here it is:


Anyway, I hope folks here enjoy the music video I made yesterday.

May we strive to fulfill the truth in 2 Chronicles 7:14 for our lives.

May the Lord Jesus and His abundant grace and power shine upon you greatly today.


Side Note:

I normally do not work with video editing. This would be the second video I have edited ever in my life. I thought it was going to take longer, but I am glad it was quick. So please be forgiving if you are a video editing pro or something. If you enjoy the video, please give me a thumbs up on this post.
 

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I am not denying that perfect Greek manuscripts once existed. They just do not exist today to our knowledge. That’s why God moved with the times. God is not stuck in the past. The Lord our God is not the God of the dead (living in the past with some dead language), but He is the God of the living.
Your statement is completely at odds with your adherence to a 400-year-old translation with many archaic and redefined words.
 

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Your statement is completely at odds with your adherence to a 400-year-old translation with many archaic and redefined words.
God is also holy and distinct, as well. So it makes sense that English in the Bible is biblical English that is distinct from the Bible and not everyday common talk. However, the KJB translation exists today and is greatly used by the church. So it has not died out in the past, unlike many other translations that have come and gone. According to my research, there are 900 plus Modern Bibles. Even James White admits in an interview with Steven Anderson that why we have so many is because of money. This is the fruit of the Modern Bible movement and its corrupted texts.
 

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No Greek translation exists today that is claimed to be the perfect Words of God that people today can even understand. There are so many interpretations on the Greek and different Lexicons and folks are guessing as to what a dead language says. Not so with the King James Bible. The King James Bible exists today and is used by the church greatly and many believe its very words by faith (Like a child). People today can pick up the KJB and understand and read it normally in many places. This is simply not the case with Hebrew and Greek. There is no one book in the original languages you can hold up above your head and declare it to be the perfect and preserved words of God that are holy and without error. You have shape shifter Bibles and or Bibles full of holes (errors) in them. The cover of your Bibles are lying by saying they are a Holy Bible in that they are divine. In reality they are holey bibles (Bibles full of holes or problems).
 

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God is also holy and distinct, as well. So it makes sense that English in the Bible is biblical English that is distinct from the Bible and not everyday common talk. However, the KJB translation exists today and is greatly used by the church. So it has not died out in the past, unlike many other translations that have come and gone. According to my research, there are 900 plus Modern Bibles. Even James White admits in an interview with Steven Anderson that why we have so many is because of money. This is the fruit of the Modern Bible movement and its corrupted texts.
None of that explains away the archaic words in the KJV.
 

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None of that explains away the archaic words in the KJV.
Why would you think that obscurity of words is a problem involving God? Jesus spoke in parables, and He did not explain the resurrection to His disciples when He spoke about it.

"At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes." (Matthew 11:25).

So when the Bible talks about how God's words are pure and how they will be preserved, I believe them. The Scriptures are to be received like a child. You don't believe such words when the Bible speaks about such things.
 

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Problem: the context of Psalm 12:6-8 is not about the preservation of God's scripture but of preserving His people under David's time, who are poor and oppressed.
 

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Why would you think that obscurity of words is a problem involving God? Jesus spoke in parables, and He did not explain the resurrection to His disciples when He spoke about it.

"At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes." (Matthew 11:25).

So when the Bible talks about how God's words are pure and how they will be preserved, I believe them. The Scriptures are to be received like a child. You don't believe such words when the Bible speaks about such things.
Obscurity of a message is a completely different issue than obscurity of words. The reader has no hope of understanding even a clear passage if he can't understand the words used to convey it.
 

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Problem: the context of Psalm 12:6-8 is not about the preservation of God's scripture but of preserving His people under David's time, who are poor and oppressed.
Look, friend. Even if you wanted Psalms 12:6-7 to say something else because you hate the idea of God’s words being preserved, we have other verses that defend these truths. Some like Jonathan Burris falsely claim that only the teachings are perfect and not the actual words of God. Yet, the Bible teaches that His words are pure.

The WORDS of the LORD are perfect or pure:
  1. Deuteronomy 32:3-4 (His work perfect) (Scripture is His work)
  2. Psalms 12:6 (pure words)
  3. Psalms 119:140 (Word pure)
  4. Proverbs 30:5 (Word pure)
  5. 2 Samuel 22:31 (way is perfect - which relates to His Word being tried or time tested).
  6. Psalms 18:30 (way is perfect - which relates to His Word being tried or time tested).

God’s Word says His words will be preserved forever (Psalms 12:6-7) (Isaiah 40:8) (1 Peter 1:23-25) (Also compare John 17:17 with Psalms 100:5 and Psalms 117:2). In fact, scrolls of Scripture were written on either vellum (flesh/animal skins) or papyri (i.e., grass). The scribes knew they had to keep making copies to preserve God’s words because the scrolls of the Scriptures would get old and decay and perish. So the flesh of the animal skins and the grass used to write Scripture would eventually pass away. Peter says, “For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away: But the word of the Lord endureth for ever…” (1 Peter 1:24-25). So even though old copies would die out, new ones would replace them, preserving the words of the Lord forever. In fact, Jesus says, “Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.” (Matthew 24:35). Note: Psalms 12:7 is altered in other Bibles

Side Note:

The contrast is the proud words that puff at the poor and their lips (speech) being cut off (Psalms 12:3-4), while the pure words of the Lord (verse 6) will be preserved (along with the godly and the poor being preserved - verse 7). The purity of God’s words in verse 6 can only be if preservation is involved. Without God ensuring the purity of His words to let us know that the godly and the poor will be preserved. The moment you say that preservation is not in view is to shoot yourself in the foot here (Unless of course, you don’t believe verse 6 and you think God’s words are not pure). You cannot have pure words of God without preservation.

Also, consider how the warnings of adding or taking away from God's word in Revelation 22:18-19 even apply in your view? It just cannot apply because you don't have a perfect Word of God to compare it to others whereby these warnings would have any validity. That is why your belief just does not add up with the biblical facts we are presented.
 

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Obscurity of a message is a completely different issue than obscurity of words. The reader has no hope of understanding even a clear passage if he can't understand the words used to convey it.
Then there would be no reason to study God's Word or to meditate on as it says if it read like a children's book.
 

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I created a music video yesterday (from a song by Christian artist Michael Card). This video is a part of my "101 Reasons for the KJB" free PDF that I am still working on. More specifically, this video is in my 20-page section about the KJV in American History. However, if you watch the video, you will not see anything about how the KJV is the perfect Word of God (although it does tie into my write-up).

Here it is:


Anyway, I hope folks here enjoy the music video I made yesterday.

May we strive to fulfill the truth in 2 Chronicles 7:14 for our lives.

May the Lord Jesus and His abundant grace and power shine upon you greatly today.


Side Note:

I normally do not work with video editing. This would be the second video I have edited ever in my life. I thought it was going to take longer, but I am glad it was quick. So please be forgiving if you are a video editing pro or something. If you enjoy the video, please give me a thumbs up on this post.

Please play this video instead. I added the name of the music artist, song title, and purpose of the video at the end.
 

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John 17:17, Jesus says to the Father, “…thy word is truth.”

Daniel talks about the “Scripture of Truth” (See: Daniel 10:21).

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Problem: the context of Psalm 12:6-8 is not about the preservation of God's scripture but of preserving His people under David's time, who are poor and oppressed.
The preservation which is for ever is not to the people why, v.1 say even the godly cease, the faithful fail. Whan then? Only the words of God is preserved for ever. Isaiah 40:8 ...the word of our God shall stand for ever.
 

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The preservation which is for ever is not to the people why, v.1 say even the godly cease, the faithful fail. Whan then? Only the words of God is preserved for ever. Isaiah 40:8 ...the word of our God shall stand for ever.
In Psalms 12 King David (the Psalmist) is writing. David is said to be a man after God's own heart (Acts 13:22). So obviously this is not referring to how all of the godly have ceased as if we are to read verse 1 with some kind of extreme form of wooden literalism here. We read elsewhere in another Psalm by David how he hides God’s words in his heart so that he may not sin against God (See: Psalms 119:11). Psalms 10:30 says, "The righteous shall never be removed: but the wicked shall not inhabit the earth." Proverbs 10:25 says, "As the whirlwind passeth, so is the wicked no more: but the righteous is an everlasting foundation."

Also, in Psalms 12: Consider that it says,

"....now will I arise, saith the LORD;​
I will set him in safety from him that puffeth at him." (Psalms 12:5).​

So the LORD setting at safety him (the poor being oppressed by the proud speakers) is connected to God preserving them.

So again, God is preserving both the words and His people here.

Jesus said the poor will always be among you.
Also, consider that God's word does not return void (Isaiah 55:11).
But how is God's Word able to go out and not return void without a preacher?

Romans 10:14
"How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?"
 

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That’s a childish comment that doesn’t address the point.
1 Corinthians 1:27
"But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;"

What could be more foolish in the minds of carnal-thinking men than God preserving His words in 1600s English?
The idea is unfathomable to their thinking.

They would need a book that fell from Heaven and was written in a way that perfectly fit the criteria of their own man-made set of rules about how God should operate.

But let God be true, and every man a liar.
In His Word, I do hope.
The words of men shall pass away.

Of course, I say this in love, and with the hope you be guided simply trust every word of the Scriptures like a child.
For man shall not live by bread alone, but by EVERY Word of God.
 

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Problem: the context of Psalm 12:6-8 is not about the preservation of God's scripture but of preserving His people under David's time, who are poor and oppressed.
Where are they now?
 

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In Psalms 12 King David (the Psalmist) is writing. David is said to be a man after God's own heart (Acts 13:22). So obviously this is not referring to how all of the godly have ceased as if we are to read verse 1 with some kind of extreme form of wooden literalism here. We read elsewhere in another Psalm by David how he hides God’s words in his heart so that he may not sin against God (See: Psalms 119:11). Psalms 10:30 says, "The righteous shall never be removed: but the wicked shall not inhabit the earth." Proverbs 10:25 says, "As the whirlwind passeth, so is the wicked no more: but the righteous is an everlasting foundation."

Also, in Psalms 12: Consider that it says,

"....now will I arise, saith the LORD;​
I will set him in safety from him that puffeth at him." (Psalms 12:5).​

So the LORD setting at safety him (the poor being oppressed by the proud speakers) is connected to God preserving them.

So again, God is preserving both the words and His people here.

Jesus said the poor will always be among you.
Also, consider that God's word does not return void (Isaiah 55:11).
But how is God's Word able to go out and not return void without a preacher?

Romans 10:14
"How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?"
I agree with the people being put into safety and from harm but it cannot be said of this is for ever. Yes, when the LORD says " I will set him in safety" then there was a provision of preservation during the time that is when ungodly puff at him. What God preserves fo ever is his promise, his words and I'll take it literally as men will not be preserved physically for ever. The verse 1 relates to the fact that even during David's time, there was scarcity of righteous people, for even David did sin with his body and died later. This is not for ever, only the words of God stands for ever. God bless
 

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I agree with the people being put into safety and from harm but it cannot be said of this is for ever. Yes, when the LORD says " I will set him in safety" then there was a provision of preservation during the time that is when ungodly puff at him. What God preserves fo ever is his promise, his words and I'll take it literally as men will not be preserved physically for ever. The verse 1 relates to the fact that even during David's time, there was scarcity of righteous people, for even David did sin with his body and died later. This is not for ever, only the words of God stands for ever. God bless
I was re-reading the chapter several times again. The context says this:

5 “For the oppression of the poor, for the sighing of the needy, now will I arise, saith the LORD; I will set him in safety from him that puffeth at him.
6 The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
7 Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.” (Psalms 12:5-7).

Notice. The Lord is speaking in red in verse 5.

Verse 5 is made up of words from the LORD.

Verse 6 in context is referring to these words in verse 5.

Naturally, all of God’s words are pure.

But King David is boasting in these particular words of God in verse 5 as being so pure that it is as if they have been purified seven times in a furnace.

David is saying how God will keep these words in verse 5. It would be the safety of the poor from that generation forever. But in order for them to be preserved and us knowing about this promise, these words in verse 5 would have to be preserved, as well. Otherwise, how would we even know today about such a promise? So both the poor and God’s pure words will be preserved forever.

In other words, we cannot read verses or passages in the vacuum of space isolated from the rest of the surrounding verses or context, my friend.

I know we don’t want the Textual Critic to have any advantage, but we also cannot sacrifice the truth of the context in the process, either.