Women Pastors

That is simply not true. Who other than male pastor/elder/bishops were given leadership authority in the churches? Women are CLEARLY forbidden to preach, teach, or usurp (unlawfully assume) authority in the churches. And Scripture says so plainly. But I suffer [allow] not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. (1 Tim 2:12) On the surface this sounds as though Paul is the one responsible for this teaching, but the context here (and in other related passages) makes it clear that these are instructions from God going back to Eve and her being deceived and thus disobeying God.

Does your church have women in leadership? That's the only reason that I can think of to make you argue the point! If that is so, maybe you should consider a new church!

Wrong. Simply wrong. The context is about new (female) Christians who came out of gnostic cults.

Chapter and verse, please.

That information requires extra-biblical research, not "chapter and verse".

Does your church have women in leadership? That's the only reason that I can think of to make you argue the point! If that is so, maybe you should consider a new church!

I have women in my family that are ordained thank you very much. They were preaching and teaching the Word where no male was available. Then my uncle and his wife were ordained together. If you believe God would punish a woman for that I'd say you are legalistic and don't understand the Word. If God can use a donkey to preach a sermon, surely He can use a woman.

I believe when the husband is called the wife is called. They should be ordained together. It would help a lot with family and marriage counseling in the church. And heaven knows we need more Christian family and marriage counseling. The wife could speak on special occasions. I've seen too many pastors lose their marriage because they were counseling a woman alone. I've seen horrible advice given to wives because the counseling was from a mans pov. only. I think it would be a great help to the church.

1. If a man has been married and his wife dies, that is not even an issue. He was married to begin with. A bishop [overseer] then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach; (1 Tim 3:2) Offering hospitality would generally involve the wife.

2. The apostles were not pastor/elder/bishops in local churches. God is giving instructions for the leadership in local assemblies. The apostles were essentially missionaries, traveling to different parts. But as Paul said all the other apostles were in fact married! He himself may have been a widower, since early marriage was the norm in Jewish society.

3. Paul was speaking in a certain context about it being better to remain single. At the same time he said that marriage is honorable in all. And the Bible is very clear that the married state is preferable for the majority of people. That is what God ordained in Genesis 1.

Did you know that God's Word teaches that only men can be anointed / called to be pastors, deacons, church leaders?
Woman can assist and help in ministry, but the are not called by the Lord to be church leaders.

It's in the new testament for all the see:

Qualifications for Ministry

1 Timothy 3:1-13
This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desires a good work.
A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behavior, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;
One that rules well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;
(For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)
Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.
Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.
Likewise must the deacons be grave, not doubletongued, not given to much wine, not greedy of filthy lucre;
Holding the mystery of the faith in a pure conscience.
And let these also first be proved; then let them use the office of a deacon, being found blameless.
Even so must their wives be grave, not slanderers, sober, faithful in all things.
Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well.
For they that have used the office of a deacon well purchase to themselves a good degree, and great boldness in the faith which is in Christ Jesus.

Bishop - Strongs G1985
a superintendent, i.e. Christian officer in genitive case charge of a (or the) church (literally or figuratively): KJV -- bishop, overseer.

Deacons - Strongs G1249
from an obsolete diako (to run on errands; compare 1377); an attendant, i.e. (genitive case) a waiter (at table or in other menial duties); specially, a Christian teacher and pastor (technically, a deacon): KJV -- deacon, minister, servant.

Titus 1:6-9
If any be blameless, the husband of one wife, having faithful children not accused of riot or unruly.
For a bishop must be blameless, as the steward of God; not self willed, not soon angry, not given to wine, no striker, not given to filthy lucre;
But a lover of hospitality, a lover of good men, sober, just, holy, temperate;
Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers.

1 Timothy 2:12,13
I do not allow a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
For Adam was first formed, then Eve

Paul bases his viewpoint on creation. In v. 13 he says, "For Adam was first created, then Eve." In the least, this argument shows that Paul is not restricting his treatment to the church; it's a matter that is grounded in the constitutional differences between men and women, or at least in the order of authority that God had ordained.

In Gen 2-3, we see an interesting phenomenon relevant to 1 Tim 2. God teaches man, man teaches woman, the devil is out of the picture. That's Gen 2. But in Gen 3, we see the devil teaching woman, woman teaching man, and God is out of the picture. And this is Paul's argument: there is a divinely ordained order to things that, if disturbed, would bring deception and ruin due to not following the ways of the Lord.

1 Timothy 2:12 - Almost every commentator says that women should not pastor or teach over men. The argument the Apostle Paul gives for his statement "I do not permit a women to teach or to exercise authority over a man" is found in the following 2 verses. His argument is actually not from culture as some claim but from creation.

The validity of his argument and the weight of this statement plants its roots in the creation order. Which means that the statement he makes regarding women not teaching over men (essentially pastoring) stands for all-time and to all cultures everywhere, because he doesn’t appeal to culture for his reasons but the creation ORDER which is simply honoring the way God decided to create.

Why not? You also can spread the gospel to everybody!

I am not arguing as to whether you think it is right or wrong. I'm just saying the Bible restricted these offices to men only. As I said earlier, there are many women who have more knowledge than the men around them. But, that does not mean that God approves their leadership over men.

I do not pretend to know God's reason for this!

plainly stated, women are not to be pastors in any case. even if there is a shortage of male pastors. in that case, everyone should pray to Jesus for a male pastor to come along. the above is quite explicit & true. NO WOMEN PASTORS!

plainly stated, women are not to be pastors in any case. even if there is a shortage of male pastors. in that case, everyone should pray to Jesus for a male pastor to come along. the above is quite explicit & true. NO WOMEN PASTORS!

That information requires extra-biblical research, not "chapter and verse".

I have women in my family that are ordained thank you very much. They were preaching and teaching the Word where no male was available. Then my uncle and his wife were ordained together. If you believe God would punish a woman for that I'd say you are legalistic and don't understand the Word. If God can use a donkey to preach a sermon, surely He can use a woman.

I believe when the husband is called the wife is called. They should be ordained together. It would help a lot with family and marriage counseling in the church. And heaven knows we need more Christian family and marriage counseling. The wife could speak on special occasions. I've seen too many pastors lose their marriage because they were counseling a woman alone. I've seen horrible advice given to wives because the counseling was from a mans pov. only. I think it would be a great help to the church.

Chapter and verse please

The scriptures posted speak for themselves. A deacon, pastor, church leader must be the husband of one wife. Pretty hard to misunderstand that