Sunday Worship?

Tell us why at the Counsel of Jerusalem in Acts 15 the Lord did not lead the Apostles to start teaching Christians that observing Saturday sabbath is required.

The Lord led them to teach the prohibitions on eating blood, meat containing blood, and meat of animals that were strangled, and on fornication and idolatry - but they were NOT led by the Lord to teach Christians that observing Saturday sabbath is required.

So we can worship other gods, vain His name, steal, commit adultery or break the least of these as long as we don't do these 4 things that most don't even keep. They were still keeping the Sabbath in this same passage.

Thats RIGHT!

Sunday observance is a man made tradition. Nothing in the bible to support Sunday sacredness. Or Sunday being set aside by God for Holy use.

Sabbath observance is a command from God. It is set aside for Holy use, and was never changed.

We should worship God everyday of the week but only The Sabbath was blessed and sanctified. Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

Because these commandments were well known and not an issue.. the sabbath didn't need to be spoken of because everyone knew which day was the sabbath. Like many other laws not mentioned, the people already agreed about what was acceptable.

I read Acts 15.
Act 15:5 But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.
The law of Moses is not the Ten commandments.

I explained this in the past.

MANY people often confuse Moses Law with God's Ten Commandment Law, but they are very different.
Moses' law was the temporary, ceremonial law of the Old Testament. It regulated the priesthood, sacrifices, rituals, meat and drink offerings, etc., all of which foreshadowed the cross. This law was added "till the seed should come," and that seed was Christ (Galatians 3:16, 19). The ritual and ceremony of Moses' law pointed forward to Christ's sacrifice. When He died, this law came to an end, but the Ten Commandments (God's law) "stand fast for ever and ever." Psalm 111:7,8.
There are two laws that are made crystal clear in the following verses below. Daniel 9:10 is talking about God's law and verse 11 is talking about Moses' law:
"Neither have we obeyed the voice of the LORD our God, to walk in his laws, which he set before us by his servants the prophets."
"Yea, all Israel have transgressed thy law, even by departing, that they might not obey thy voice; therefore the curse is poured upon us, and the oath that is written in the law of Moses the servant of God, because we have sinned against him." Daniel 9:10,11
Special Note: Please note that God's law also called the Ten Commandments or moral law has existed at least as long as sin has existed. The Bible says, "Where no law is, there is no transgression [or sin]." Romans 4:15. So God's Ten Commandment law existed from the beginning. Men broke that law. "Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law." 1 John 3:4 Because of sin (or breaking God's law), Moses law was given (or "added" Galatians 3:16, 19) till Christ should come and die. Two separate laws involved: God's law or Ten Commandments and Moses law.
To summarize the above. When God led the children of Israel out of Egyptian bondage, He delivered to them in fiery majesty the Ten Commandments. This Holy law was spoken by God, written by God, recorded on tables of stone, and is of eternal duration. At the same time the ceremonial law, of temporary usage, was also delivered to the children of Israel. This law dealt with the ceremonial rites of the Jewish sanctuary service, and concerned itself with a system of religion that passed away at the cross. Large sections of Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy describe in detail this temporary law. The ceremonial law can easily be identified in scripture. It talks about circumcision (a religious Jewish rite), sacrifices, offerings, purifications, holy days and other rites associated with the Hebrew sanctuary service.

Moses' law.
1. Called "Law contained in ordinances"
EPH. 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace.
2. Written by Moses in a book
2 CHRON. 35:12 And they removed the burnt offerings, that they might give according to the divisions of the families of the people, to offer unto the LORD, as it is written in the book of Moses. And so did they with the oxen.
3. Placed in the side of the ark
DEUT. 31:26 Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee.
4. Ended at the cross
EPH. 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace.
5. Added because of sin
GAL. 3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
6. Contrary to us, against us
COL. 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross.
7. Judges no man
COL. 2:14-16 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it. Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
8. Carnal
HEB. 7:16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.
9. Made nothing perfect
HEB. 7:19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.

• The 10 Commandments.
1. Called "the Royal law"
JAMES 2:8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:
2. Written by God on stone
EXO. 31:18 And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God.
EXO. 32:16 And the tables were the work of God, and the writing was the writing of God, graven upon the tables
3. Placed inside the ark
EXO. 40:20 And he took and put the testimony into the ark, and set the staves on the ark, and put the mercy seat above upon the ark:
4. Will stand forever
LUKE 16:17 And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail.
5. Points out sin
ROM. 7:7 What shall we say then? is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
ROM. 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
6. Not grievous
1 JOHN 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
7. Judges all men
JAM. 2:10-12 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law. So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
8. Spiritual
ROM. 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
9. Perfect
PSALMS 19:7 The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.

Do not worship Sunday. Do not worship the Sabbath.

Sunday observance of a Sabbath is ridiculous.

The Gentile Church met on the first day of the week. Both the scripture and tradition support this fact.

We know the Roman Empire did not observe the Sabbath because they worked eight days a week.

The Sabbath day was the law of the land in Israel, no other country had the Sabbath day as law.

You stated the following.
God first spoke the law including the decalogue at Mt Sinai (Exodus 19,20).

Why you keep saying that God wrote the ten commandments on stone?

The decalogue was not written on stone until much later.

What you wrote is incorrect.

Moses wrote the entire law spoken at Mt Sinai, including the decalogue.

Exodus 24:3-4
Then Moses came and reported to the people all the words of the Lord and all the ordinances; and all the people answered with one voice and said, “All the words which the Lord has spoken we will do!” And Moses wrote down all the words of the Lord.

Exodus 24:7-8
Then he took the Book of the Covenant and read it as the people listened; and they said, “All that the Lord has spoken we will do, and we will be obedient!” So Moses took the blood and sprinkled it on the people, and said, “Behold the blood of the covenant, which the Lord has made with you in accordance with all these words.”


Any attempt to say that Moses only wrote the ceremonial law is not true. Not according to Exodus 24.

The text (Exodus 24) states that Moses wrote down all the words of the Lord.

Your trying to say that Moses only wrote some of the law?

all the words of the Lord and all the ordinances

Read the text!

You are distorting Exodus 20-24.

That's what the apostles wrote!

If the decalogue was vital then the apostles would have listed the decalogue.

The apostles did not mention the decalogue in Acts 15.

Are you going to disagree with the direct instruction of the apostles?

The only nation that honored the Sabbath was Israel.

Gentiles were never under the law.

History is not easy to study because the devil wants to hide the truth. The truth will set you free.... but if you are honest you can see that the church from the time of Jesus to today has kept the Sabbath holy.
The Apostles took the gospel to the Jews and then to the Gentiles and they continued to keep the sabbath.

They gathered together on all days of the week, like we can today. We can worship God anytime, all the time.
But the sabbath was never change or removed. God made it holy.
History shows the early church and groups in every age were and are keeping the sabbath.

There is no command to keep Sunday or any command to stop keeping the seventh day.

Why change what God alone can change.

Moses would have written the 10 commandments down and they have been written down many times since by many people.

If I write them down they don't become my laws.

I was pointing out the difference between the laws of Moses and the 10 commandments.

The laws that Moses wrote down included health laws, civil laws, cerimonial laws, and God wrote with His finger the 10 commandments.

The point your not seeing is that some laws were given for a time and finished when Jesus died. But some laws do not change.

Because the term "LAW" is used for both you need to distinguish the difference between them.
Or you can fall into the trap of throwing out laws that God wants us to obey today.

Are the laws that God wrote perfect? Does God make mistakes? Did God give a law with 9 moral laws and 1 cerimonial law?
Are the 10 commandments moral or cerimonial?

If any one part of the Ten Commandments is ceremonial, then the claim that they all are perfect, immutable, and
eternal in their binding power upon all men falls to the ground. The claim that the Sabbath commandment was ceremonial is not sustained by changing Saturday to Sunday, for, if definitely naming one particular day of the week is
ceremonial, Sunday would be as ceremonial as is Saturday. Sunday would be as much cerimonial as Saturday.

Since the New Testament teaches that
the ceremonial law was nailed to the cross, this attempt to make the fourth
commandment partly ceremonial, placing it as a plaything in the hands of
the church, clearly taught the abolition of the moral law.

Herein can be seen a issue....the 10 commandments are either moral or they are not.

The Catholic church firstly says that the Decalogue is moral; and secondly claims it to be partially ceremonial.

Many have stood for the truth and said that the 10 commandments are a moral obligation and as a result they were called Judaizers.


The Catholic Encyclopedia says:
“The Church, on the other hand, after changing the day of rest from the
Jewish Sabbath, or seventh day of the week, to the first, made the Third
Commandment refer to Sunday as the day to be kept holy as the Lord’s
Day.
The Council of Trent (Sess. 6, can. 14) condemns those who deny
that the Ten Commandments are binding on Christians.”

The 10 commandments are either cerimonial or Moral? What do you say.

If the sabbath is cerimonial how is Sunday keeping any different?

For me the keeping of sabbath is moral like the other 9 commandments and Sunday sacredness is the transgression of the law.

Ah yes, ye old strawman argument. 9 of the 10 commandments are repeated in the New Testament but observing Saturday sabbath id not taught anywhere in the New Testament.

If it were, you would post scripture references showing us at least one place where the Lord or one og His Apostles said "and thou shalt observe Saturday sabbath". It's just not there.





No, actually we see the Apostles meeting several times on Sunday under the leadership of the Holy Spirit, so it's not a man made tradition



Exactly.





And yet during the Counsel at Jerusalem meeting, the Lord did NOT lead the Apostles to teach that Christians are required to observe Saturday sabbath so they argument is over! NO Saturday sabbath is required for Christians.




Yep!

Okay some logic....

On what grounds did the sabbath law get removed, And the Sunday observance replace it.

If the sabbath was a law that was removed because it was cerimonial? The Sunday observance would be cerimonial too.

Saturday Sabbath rest was part of the first covenant. A new covenant replaced it, including the law...ALL of the law. The NC has it's own law and some laws from the old are part of the new but the Sabbath was fulfilled by Christ so no longer is there a day we are commanded to rest upon. The Apostles are recorded as meeting for preaching on a Sunday and this was not long after Christ ascended. This is the basis for Sunday church.

That's not logic, it's the wisdom of man with an assist from demons to reject portions of the New Testament.

Do you believe the Apostles turned away from the Lord and were being led by devils?

If you do, then toss your New Testament in the garbage!



Exactly!

You said Jesus fulfilled the sabbath which means we no longer need to keep it.

Please show me the bible verses that reveal this.

Jesus did keep the sabbath perfectly but He also kept the other 9 commandments perfectly.

The New Covenant replaced the old but the 10 commandments were not changed.

The law is perfect, holy and good. It is Spiritual and Jesus said not one jot would pass till all is fulfilled.

Mat 5:17-18
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

If it was changed the Lord of the Sabbath would have made it known.
Mat 12:8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.


The sabbath was kept after Jesus died and rose. People gathered together on a Sunday and everyday but the Sabbath is mentioned more often then any other day.

Act 13:14 But when they departed from Perga, they came to Antioch in Pisidia, and went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and sat down.
Act 13:42 And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath. ...44 And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.
Act 17:2 And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,
Act 18:4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.

Sunday is never connected with a sabbath rest, except for the yearly sabbaths which fall on different days each year.

There is nothing in the bible that proves that God removed the blessing He placed on the the seventh day.

Fallacy: argument from silence.