Predestination is misunderstood...

Don't take him personally.... He's AI.

Your ignorance of the nuances of the English language render you unfit for arguing about them.

Nice try to provoke reaction... hypocrite.

Show me where I am wrong for the Scriptures were given for this purpose (2 Tim 3:16-17).

I think he's trying to say that God only gives grace to the humble believer.
Not the proud believer.

So? If you want to merit grace? You must be humble.
In that case? Grace was merited by one being humble.

Even I got that one.

The word world has many different meanings in Greek and if you are a heretical universalist you will say it means every single person without exception when in fact it most times it means, people from all nations. tribes and tongues in the world without distinction.

Christ indeed, came not to condemn but to save His people from their sin but have you read how He comes the second time?

2Th 1:7 and to give you who are troubled rest with us when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels,
2Th 1:8 in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ.
2Th 1:9 These shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power,

If He used Noah to preach to them it was for the greater condemnation just as the Gospel both saves as well as condemns people today.

2Co 2:14 Now thanks be to God who always leads us in triumph in Christ, and through us diffuses the fragrance of His knowledge in every place.
2Co 2:15 For we are to God the fragrance of Christ among those who are being saved and among those who are perishing.
2Co 2:16 To the one we are the aroma of death leading to death, and to the other the aroma of life leading to life. And who is sufficient for these things?

You deserved him before the cross when you where in the garden of eden walking around innocent with no shame of who you where, or who your father was.

Jesus was loving you then,

Listen, he never stopped loving you.

You still deserve his love, he hasn't changed, you did in the garden.

The change of opposing opinions on what we deserve is on mans part.

The fact that he clothed you after the garden meant, you never stopped being deserving of his love.

What a person has to do, is love back by walking in obedience.

Which as the scripture says draw nearer to him and he will draw nearer to you.



James 4:8

New International Version



8 Come near to God and he will come near to you. Wash your hands, you sinners, and purify your hearts, you double-minded.

Again this is asking you do something for him to save you.

What is being taught in this thread and many other threads is hyper grace buddy.

I would of stopped long ago replying,

But I haven't because certain people involved, I have threated as my own.

But now for the first in weeks of this clear rejection of scripture, Im making it known hyper grace is being taught.

there is a difference!

You know you don't have to yell calm down. I say fallen state because before we chose him we were just sinners wandering through life searching for him and we didn't even know it.

It all comes back to him the reason for living the reason for purpose as we wander in life

If fallen state is not the correct term then I apologize but there is no need to yell like that

your welcome Mr know it all 😊😊😊 👍😋😋😋

The atheist only has knowledge of the spirit of man which is in him. H cannot know the things of God unless the Spirit of God dwells within him (1 Cor 2:11).

These are not atheist, but are disobedient children of God.

Check Strong's concordance and you will find that saved=delivered. The children of God are delivered on the cross, with the promise of an eternal inheritance, and He will not lose any of them (John 6:37-40).

How'd you know that?

You know you don't have to yell calm down.

Huh? This has nothing to do with my discussion with Cameron. I have no idea what you think it is I said that is wrong.

I already showed you about the continuation in Proverbs that you willfully adverted by cherry picking a solo verse for your own purpose, not of how God had it intended to be, nor how Solomon meant it to be.

This is exactly the point I was making 😊.

It's beyond all logic that nobody is willing to accept that God grace is merited on his part.

Obviously not our part but his.

It lines up everywhere.

Yes a person could say I don't deserve his love after being sorrowed. but God has a away to turn your sorrow into shiny red cheeks that blush with a shy love, God loves a shy a person. I'm very shy at heart.

I believe God's grace is his Good will.

Because his nature merits his will and his grace.

There is nothing unmerited about his Grace, if he gives it you it's merited on his part. Because you have loved him by walking in his obedience.

It's called pleasing God.

It's not called being morbid and walking around everyday thinking you are undeserving of his love everyday.

Which many do here.

No sir we deserve his love.

You have to ask yourself a question, how many times must a person feel they are undeserving of his love,

Surely once is enough 🤔

So sorry... I did not know I walked into the room during study hall period.

Shhhhh...

One more time..




.................... NOW? WAS THAT BETTER???


Odd... Been acting like this ever since being struck by lightning.

Pray for me, please.



(The way I have been acting lately even shocks myself).

So sorry... I did not know I walked into the room during study hall period.

Shhhhh...

One more time..




.................... NOW? WAS THAT BETTER???


Odd... Been acting like this ever since being struck by lightning.

Pray for me, please.



(The way I have been acting lately even shocks myself).