IF "OUTER SPACE" CAN BE FAKED, HOW CAN YOU PROVE IT ISN'T?

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HeIsHere

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The clouds are not 864,938 miles away.
Well I can agree on that.
But it must be a different sun with different properties since all that would know about the sun would also be a lie.
 

Moses_Young

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Well I can agree on that.
But it must be a different sun with different properties since all that would know about the sun would also be a lie.
Yes. Flat Earth astronomy is totally different to Heliocentricity. The stars and the sun and the planets are much closer. How close is subject to debate, but generally in the range 300 - 3000 miles, I think. The sun is much smaller also.
 

HeIsHere

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Yes. Flat Earth astronomy is totally different to Heliocentricity. The stars and the sun and the planets are much closer. How close is subject to debate, but generally in the range 300 - 3000 miles, I think. The sun is much smaller also.
I see.

It does interest me. I like to look at all the sides, it is so fun to do that, however it could take some time, maybe some day. :unsure:
 

Moses_Young

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I see.

It does interest me. I like to look at all the sides, it is so fun to do that, however it could take some time, maybe some day. :unsure:
From what I have seen/learned, Flat Earth doesn't have a satisfying explanation for the heavenly bodies. If you start trying to determine if Earth is flat or a ball based on these, you will likely fall in favour of Heliocentricity. That's not to say Heliocentricity doesn't also have flaws, but they are more subtle than those with trying to explain Flat Earth theory (I have found).

It might help to look into Geocentrism first. Geocentrism is a poor man's Flat Earth (but the Earth is still a ball in the theory). There is no reason Geocentrism cannot be used for all mainstream science, other than the implications are philosophically unpleasant (to atheists) - if the Earth is the centre of the universe, it implies that we have some sort of importance (e.g. God created it and us!)

Malcolm Bowden doesn't like Flat Earth, but he explains Geocentrism quite well.


For everything measurable here down on Earth, I find Flat Earth wins out (e.g. distances to lighthouses, seeing beyond where the curve would be on a lake etc.)

To get you started, here are some simple questions, and the explanations required by Flat Earth theory vs. Heliocentric theory.

Why does the Earth seem motionless?
Flat Earther:
Because it is motionless.
Heliocentrist: It only seems motionless because it's spinning at a perfectly uniform speed with no acceleration or deceleration ever and the atmosphere is magically velcroed to it. Actually the Earth is spinning on it's axis at 1,000 mph, rotating around the Sun at 67,000 mph, which is orbiting the Milky Way at 500,000 mph and shooting through the known Universe at 67,000,000 mph. We don't feel even the slightest bit of this motion because all the centrifugal, gravitational, and inertial forces somehow perfectly cancel out.

Why do the Sun and Moon appear to be the same size?
Flat Earther:
Because they are the same size.
Heliocentrist: They only appear to be the same size because of an incredibly perfect parallax perspective from Earth. Actually the Sun is 1.392x10^6 km in diameter and 1.496x10^8 km from Earth. The Moon is 3,474 km in diameter and 384,403 km from the Earth. And these just happen to be the EXACT diameters and distances necessary for a viewer from Earth to falsely perceive them as being the same size.

Why do the Sun, Moon, and Stars all appear to revolve around a stationary Earth?
Flat Earther:
Because they do.
Heliocentrist: The Moon does revolve around the Earth, but the Earth actually revolves around the Sun, and all the stars only seem to revolve around the Earth because the Earth itself is spinning beneath your feet!

Why do we never see the rotation of the Moon?
Flat Earther:
Because it doesn't rotate.
Globalist: Both the Moon and the Earth are actually rotating but they are doing so in such a way that from our perspective it seems that neither are. The Earth is spinning East to West at 1,000 mph while orbiting the Sun at 67,000 mph. The Moon is spinning West to East at 10.3 mph while orbiting the Earth at 2,288 mph. These motions/speeds perfectly cancel out so that the Moon always only shows us one side.

Why do the stars appear to be fixed along a celestial hemisphere?
Flat Earther:
Because they are.
Heliocentrist: The stars only appear to be fixed along a celestial hemisphere because they are so incredibly far away. Even after hundreds of millions of miles of our (supposed) orbit around the Sun, the stars appear in the exact same positions at the exact same meridian times because they are many "light-years" away. A light-year is approximately 6 TRILLION miles away and that is why they falsely seem fixed from our faulty perspective.
 

tourist

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We all understand the meme I posted. You disagree with the meme because you feel bad you don't understand it.
That the sun appears to disappear over the horizon is due to the rotation of the earth. The curvature of the earth would diminish the visibility or size of any given object depending on the distance from such object. Believe me, I don't feel bad because of my perceived lack of understand of the non-sensible meme that you provided.
 

MerSee

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That the sun appears to disappear over the horizon is due to the rotation of the earth. The curvature of the earth would diminish the visibility or size of any given object depending on the distance from such object. Believe me, I don't feel bad because of my perceived lack of understand of the non-sensible meme that you provided.
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Moses_Young

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That the sun appears to disappear over the horizon is due to the rotation of the earth. The curvature of the earth would diminish the visibility or size of any given object depending on the distance from such object. Believe me, I don't feel bad because of my perceived lack of understand of the non-sensible meme that you provided.
The sun setting over the horizon is due to the distance of the sun and the inability of its light to penetrate so much atmosphere. This is why the sun has been observed to set above the horizon on occasion.
 

montana123

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Scientists say we could be living in a simulation like the Matrix, and the universe could be an illusion.

And do you know why they say that.

It is because a simulation can be manipulated which means people can be greater than what they really are.

Which the new age movement believes the mind creates reality more real than the world of sense.

And they want to convince the people that they will evolve to be spiritual, and greater.

The same as they want them to believe they can be the opposite gender, both genders, no gender, and any pronoun they want to be to create the mindset they can be whatever they want to be.

If they can cause them to believe mind creates reality, and they can be whatever they want to be then they can convince them they can evolve to be spiritual, and greater.

Simulation- a data model or set of algorithms that can be manipulated by the learner and provides dynamic feedback on those manipulations.

Or they want to convince people that when they evolve they will escape the simulation in to reality.
 
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Why do think you can see behind it?

How is it possible for the moon to appear during the day if your god set the moon in the firmament to rule over the night...

Seems that if the moon is a source of light then why is only half of it illuminated...




And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.