Death curses the law

I don't see anything wrong in being stubborn for my Good reasons..

Where as you do.

To say your not stubborn for holding on to your sanity would also be stubborn

I don't have any issues with people being stubborn if what there being stubborn for, is for a good cause.


Anyway the boring emoji is down below, your choice to hit it.

What would be unjustly stubborn would be to hold on to the idea God created man to fall.

In fact when Adam was created he was saved

If you had good reasons for repeating yourself (I'm confident that you don't), doing so wouldn't demonstrate your stubbornness.

man is made on day 6.

that is well after the beginning of time.

what does Adam need to be saved from on the day he was created?

nope he was saved he was spiritualy alive

nope talking about being in the same time as God.

Again the message is God did not know a suitable helper would be found for Adam until he tried it out first.

Well after the fall God said I know what you need before you need it

Understand, this is because where now outside of time after fall and behind his current time.

It's so God knows what your going to do in fallen state before you do it.

Understand before the fall he didn't need to know what you would do before you do it because you where not fallen


Understand before the fall he chose to have man living in current time because he said he never found a suitable helper until he tried it which means God did not know what man needed next before the fall because there was no need to know, because man was not fallen

not understanding how your reply is an answer to 'what did Adam need to be saved from when he was created?'

because you said he was saved when he was created.

maybe i didn't understand what you were writing, but haven't you been saying even unsaved people are spiritually alive?

if that's the case what difference does it make to be saved or not?

and saved from what??

i understand that's your message, but that is not the message of scripture.

scripture does not portray an ignorant God that doesn't understand what He creates.

not my message Gods message

The Lord God said, “It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him.”


So God made the animals to be helpers for Adam


Then the lord said

But for Adam[f] no suitable helper was found. 21 So the Lord God caused the man to fall into a deep sleep; and while he was sleeping, he took one of the man’s ribs[g] and then closed up the place with flesh. 22 Then the Lord God made a woman from the rib[h] he had taken out of the man, and he brought her to the man.



So all this was before the fall.

After the fall the lord says

I now know through my choice what you need before you need it.


He said this when you pray I know what you need before you need.

Before the fall he didn't need to know what you need before you need it because you where saved

It says before the fall no suitable helper was found until he tried it

Adam was saved before the fall he was spiritualy alive

Adam was saved before the fall

non-sequitor.

He had already made the animals, see Genesis 1:20-25.
Notice that verse 25 comes before verse 26.

God is not an idiot. your position makes Him one.

God made Woman for Adam.

which is more likely,

1. God is an ignorant fool?
2. God brought all the animals to Adam to name so Adam would learn that Woman is perfect for him?

pick one.



what reason could you possibly have to choose to insist on the answer that insults God?

perhaps you are totally depraved eh

saved from what?

he was spiritualy alive he was saved.

this is a depraving comment to.

message Gods message

Unconditional election means willing to surrender to the truth


Gods message Gods truth

The Lord God said, “It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him.”


So God made the animals to be helpers for Adam


Then the lord said

But for Adam[f] no suitable helper was found. 21 So the Lord God caused the man to fall into a deep sleep; and while he was sleeping, he took one of the man’s ribs[g] and then closed up the place with flesh. 22 Then the Lord God made a woman from the rib[h] he had taken out of the man, and he brought her to the man.



So all this was before the fall.

After the fall the lord says

I now know through my choice what you need before you need it.


He said this when you pray I know what you need before you need.

Before the fall he didn't need to know what you need before you need it because you where saved

It says before the fall no suitable helper was found until he tried it

saved from what?

nothing?

pretty bold for you to put words in God's mouth that He never said.