Can the nonelect ever be born-again? (2 Kings 22:27) With the elect thou wilt be elect: and with the perverse thou wilt be perverted.
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In the CONTEXTS of those passages I supplied, it is talking about no other "nations" except the ONE "nation" (Israel--those of the one particular nation "OF ISRAEL"). Read the passages in my posts again. = )
-- https://christianchat.com/threads/c...se-thou-wilt-be-perverted.214479/post-5287822
-- https://christianchat.com/threads/c...se-thou-wilt-be-perverted.214479/post-5287833
-- https://christianchat.com/threads/c...se-thou-wilt-be-perverted.214479/post-5287822
-- https://christianchat.com/threads/c...se-thou-wilt-be-perverted.214479/post-5287833
The Israel of salvation is spiritual Israel - the Israel of God, not earthly Israel.
[Gal 6:15-16 KJV]
15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.
16 And as many as walk according to this rule, peace [be] on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.
[Rev 21:2 KJV]
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
[Gal 6:15-16 KJV]
15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.
16 And as many as walk according to this rule, peace [be] on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.
[Rev 21:2 KJV]
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
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Notice that in Acts 3 (Peter addressing "ye men of Israel" vv.12,15), he says (to them), "
Act 3:14
But ye denied the Holy One and the Just, and desired a murderer to be granted unto you;
Act 3:15
And killed the Prince of life, whom God hath raised from the dead; whereof we are witnesses.
... and then tells them to "19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord"
[some did... the passage goes on to show...]
Act 3:14
But ye denied the Holy One and the Just, and desired a murderer to be granted unto you;
Act 3:15
And killed the Prince of life, whom God hath raised from the dead; whereof we are witnesses.
... and then tells them to "19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord"
[some did... the passage goes on to show...]
^ But verse 23 says,
"23 And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet ["22 For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you."], shall be destroyed from among the people." (the phrase "the people" refers to "Israel" [the nation of Israel])
"23 And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people."
"23 And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet ["22 For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you."], shall be destroyed from among the people." (the phrase "the people" refers to "Israel" [the nation of Israel])
"23 And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people."
That prophet is Christ. To hear is to hear spiritually with spiritual ears that are given, not earthly ears. One only receives spiritual hearing
from becoming born-again:
[Jhn 8:43, 47 KJV]
43 Why do ye not understand my speech? [even] because ye cannot hear my word. ...
47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear [them] not, because ye are not of God.
from becoming born-again:
[Jhn 8:43, 47 KJV]
43 Why do ye not understand my speech? [even] because ye cannot hear my word. ...
47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear [them] not, because ye are not of God.
OF COURSE IT IS JESUS!!
I'm pointing out how the CONTEXTS (of the passages I've supplied) are speaking TO / FOR / ABOUT "ISRAEL" [the one 'nation of Israel'] TO WHOM He was "SENT... FIRST [unto you/Israel]" (i.e. in His earthly ministry before the Cross)
[there are TWO "raise" issues in Acts 3--one "raise" being "to a position of prominence" in His earthly ministry BEFORE the Cross ('A PROPHET shall the Lord your God RAISE UP UNTO YOU OF YOUR BRETHREN, like unto me [/Moses]..."); the other "raise" being "raised FROM THE DEAD" AFTER the Cross--Covenant Theology fails to DISTINGUISH these TWO distinct "RAISE" issues in Acts 3]
"because ye are not of God" [certain "Jews" were, certain other "Jews" were not--NOTE THE (wider) CONTEXT!]
You are trying to make a blanket statement (due to your adherence to Calvinism).
I'm pointing out how the CONTEXTS (of the passages I've supplied) are speaking TO / FOR / ABOUT "ISRAEL" [the one 'nation of Israel'] TO WHOM He was "SENT... FIRST [unto you/Israel]" (i.e. in His earthly ministry before the Cross)
[there are TWO "raise" issues in Acts 3--one "raise" being "to a position of prominence" in His earthly ministry BEFORE the Cross ('A PROPHET shall the Lord your God RAISE UP UNTO YOU OF YOUR BRETHREN, like unto me [/Moses]..."); the other "raise" being "raised FROM THE DEAD" AFTER the Cross--Covenant Theology fails to DISTINGUISH these TWO distinct "RAISE" issues in Acts 3]
"because ye are not of God" [certain "Jews" were, certain other "Jews" were not--NOTE THE (wider) CONTEXT!]
You are trying to make a blanket statement (due to your adherence to Calvinism).
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excuse me, Thank you for correcting me 
I meant supported it that was shown and proven some time ago
I meant supported it that was shown and proven some time ago
I love correction to as you rightly pointed out to me tulip is not the issue,..it's the way it's preached
Of course this sent me down the right road of what Calvin actually taught 😊
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