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seoulsearch

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it gets even more 'intriguing ' . I have one brown eyed parent and one with very blue eyes. I have a different eye color altogether, classified as 'rare'. My brother got the brown eyes.

Here is some idea of how many eye colors there are...even more actually...but the basic is 6 colors.




all the variations are really kind of remarkable
Thanks very much for posting this!

As someone who has absolutely nothing biologically in common with her parents (due to adoption,) genetics has always fascinated me.

Since @MarcoftheTruth has stated that he believes all blue-eyed people who don't have blue-eyed children are cut off by God, I wonder what he would say about blue-eyed people who have children with green, hazel, gray, or multi-colored eyes -- that they are only "partially" cut off from God, and in varying degrees, depending on how far their eyes stray from being blue?

And which shades of blue would be deemed acceptable? I've known a few people whose literally seem to change from green to blue and back depending on what they wear, the time of day, how the light hits their eyes, etc.

So many questions now about how to tell who "is" and "isn't" accepted by God based on eye color...
 

Pilgrimshope

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Yeah, he was not missing for fourteen years. It was him not going to flesh and blood ( the Disciples) for fourteen years. He was missing in the Arabian desert for two years, where he got taught new from God and not from flesh and blood. I cannot find where it states gone for two years, I had read that in the past, regardless, was gone and did not go to the disciples for fourteen years. Did not go to flesh and blood for any counsel

Galatians 1:17
I didn’t go up to Jerusalem to consult with those who were apostles before I was. No, I went away into the deserts of Arabia and then came back to the city of Damascus.

Might not have been for two years, could have been longer or shorter, it was fourteen years before going to flesh and blood though.

The Bible says so little about those fourteen years that they are often referred to as the “missing years” in Paul’s life as a Christian.

However, I have read in past, that Paul went missing for two years in the Arabian desert. Of coarse cannot find it now. yet he went there and then returned. Which gives the story given me from God to see new in trust to God alone, as I wrote allegorized in the prior post
Thanks, I see to not be too literal, and trust God to fill in gaps that free people from their troubles under Law, as he did that for Paul to write to us the freedom given as explained in Phil 3 to me, thanks hope to have helped
“Yeah, he was not missing for fourteen years. It was him not going to flesh and blood ( the Disciples) for fourteen years.”

It doesn’t hold water that he did this immediately after seeing Jesus though when we see acts but rather than he didn’t do cult with the apostles when he went to preach to the heathen in Arabia and not that he saw Jesus then went to Arabia without talking to anyone but that when he decided to go preach the gospel to the Jew then he didn’t consult with them his conversion happened in acts he was converted by the vision in Damascus road , then Ananias was went to him then he received the gospel and was baptized and began immediately to preach the gospel in the synagogues

See his conversion and first audience here

“And immediately there fell from his eyes as it had been scales: and he received sight forthwith, and arose, and was baptized.

And when he had received meat, he was strengthened. Then was Saul certain days with the disciples which were at Damascus. And straightway he preached Christ in the synagogues, that he is the Son of God. But all that heard him were amazed, and said; Is not this he that destroyed them which called on this name in Jerusalem, and came hither for that intent, that he might bring them bound unto the chief priests? But Saul increased the more in strength, and confounded the Jews which dwelt at Damascus, proving that this is very Christ.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭9:18-22‬ ‭KJV‬‬

And then this seems to be at the point he began to preach to the heathen ( pagans ) in Arabia

“For ye have heard of my conversation in time past in the Jews' religion, how that beyond measure I persecuted the church of God, and wasted it: and profited in the Jews' religion above many my equals in mine own nation, being more exceedingly zealous of the traditions of my fathers. But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and called me by his grace, to reveal his Son in me, that I might preach him among the heathen; immediately I conferred not with flesh and blood: neither went I up to Jerusalem to them which were apostles before me; but I went into Arabia, and returned again unto Damascus. Then after three years I went up to Jerusalem to see Peter, and abode with him fifteen days.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭1:13-18‬ ‭

Do you see what I’m saying ? It’s all true how do we reconcile Paul’s trip to Arabia it definately happened but definately want at his conversion before he preached the gospel according to both sections of scripture

I’m thinking that Paul’s saying “ I didn’t confere with the apostles or any man when the lord called me to preach to the heathen . That this is when he went to Arabia seeking a pagan audience that hadn’t heard the gospel yet

Paul expresses his desire tomoresch to new audiences that hadn’t been blinded by the law of Moses like many Jews

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Now I would not have you ignorant, brethren, that oftentimes I purposed to come unto you, (but was let hitherto,) that I might have some fruit among you also, even as among other Gentiles. I am debtor both to the Greeks, and to the Barbarians; both to the wise, and to the unwise. So, as much as in me is, I am ready to preach the gospel to you that are at Rome also.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭1:13-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Remember Paul’s calling was tomoresch the gospel to both Jew and gentile but he focused on gentiles because they heard better than Jews

Maybe Paul headed to Arabia because God out this in his heart and it was a heathen land where the gospel hadn’t been heard yet ?

“Yea, so have I strived to preach the gospel, not where Christ was named, lest I should build upon another man's foundation:”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭15:20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

she didn’t want to follow Peter or johns work but establish his own zones of conversion not out of envy or strife but to preach the gospel to all as he was called to do

makes sense he would look for heAthens who hadn’t heard yet the gospel
 

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Thanks very much for posting this!

As someone who has absolutely nothing biologically in common with her parents (due to adoption,) genetics has always fascinated me.

Since @MarcoftheTruth has stated that he believes all blue-eyed people who don't have blue-eyed children are cut off by God, I wonder what he would say about blue-eyed people who have children with green, hazel, gray, or multi-colored eyes -- that they are only "partially" cut off from God, and in varying degrees, depending on how far their eyes stray from being blue?

And which shades of blue would be deemed acceptable? I've known a few people whose literally seem to change from green to blue and back depending on what they wear, the time of day, how the light hits their eyes, etc.

So many questions now about how to tell who "is" and "isn't" accepted by God based on eye color...
God doesn’t care what color eyes are he cares if a heart is with him or not through Jesus
 

seoulsearch

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God doesn’t care what color eyes are he cares if a heart is with him or not through Jesus
I very much agree.

Which is why I'm so intrigued as to why @MarcoftheTruth believes that certain eye colors determine whether a person is a fallen angel, demon, or rejected by God.

I have no idea how someone would come to such an extreme conclusion, but I'd like to hear the story.
 

Pilgrimshope

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Yes, and thank you for re-reading it.
My point to all this, that became Paul is:
To learn truth from God Father, who still speaks to his children in them and through them, the truth in love to us all. The same as Son did for us at that cross for us to now cross over with him in God's Spirit and Truth of discerning truth over the many mis interpreted errors of the Bible interpretations.
People sitting in Moses's seat for their self gain of the people as Christ said was happening them while alive in the flesh then. And said that will be the only reward those get, that do that, sit in Moses's seat as if know, with the wrong motives.
Hope to have helped brother
Yes your points were wll considered and taken I got hung up on reconciling Paul’s trip to Arabia lol sorry sorry

remember Paul’s claim here ?

“Having therefore obtained help of God, I continue unto this day, witnessing both to small and great, saying none other things than those which the prophets and Moses did say should come:

that Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭26:22-23‬ ‭KJV‬‬

a revelation is when God opens our understanding to what’s already there like this is revelation being given

“Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken: ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory? And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself. And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,( revelation ) and said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. And ye are witnesses of these things.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭24:25-27, 44-48‬ ‭

and Paul knew and presched the same through revelation

“And when they had appointed him a day, there came many to him into his lodging; to whom he expounded and testified the kingdom of God, persuading them concerning Jesus, both out of the law of Moses, and out of the prophets, from morning till evening. And some believed the things which were spoken, and some believed not.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭28:23-24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

God, I continue unto this day, witnessing both to small and great, saying none other things than those which the prophets and Moses did say should come:

that Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.”

I think revelation means “an apacolypse “ meankng like your lifting a veil that was there and what’s there is being revealed to the viewer , “to uncover “ “ to reveal what was hidden “

rather than thinking it’s a new thing that’s never been there
 

Pilgrimshope

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I very much agree.

Which is why I'm so intrigued as to why @MarcoftheTruth believes that certain eye colors determine whether a person is a fallen angel, demon, or rejected by God.

I have no idea how someone would come to such an extreme conclusion, but I'd like to hear the story.
Sounds like an Arian deception or something honestly but I didnt read that and don’t know if maybe he was using “ blue eyed “ literally or metophrocally so I can’t comment on this person and what they wrote but we agree fully eye color means nothing to God he’s not superficial in any way

i miss a lot of notifications
 

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Thanks very much for posting this!

As someone who has absolutely nothing biologically in common with her parents (due to adoption,) genetics has always fascinated me.

Since @MarcoftheTruth has stated that he believes all blue-eyed people who don't have blue-eyed children are cut off by God, I wonder what he would say about blue-eyed people who have children with green, hazel, gray, or multi-colored eyes -- that they are only "partially" cut off from God, and in varying degrees, depending on how far their eyes stray from being blue?

And which shades of blue would be deemed acceptable? I've known a few people whose literally seem to change from green to blue and back depending on what they wear, the time of day, how the light hits their eyes, etc.

So many questions now about how to tell who "is" and "isn't" accepted by God based on eye color...
right

my eyes used to reflect the color I was wearing whether blue or green...but never without other colors mixed in and people would ask what color are your eyes cause they could not tell

they settled on green finally LOL

my dad was adopted and his eyes were a very solid blue....my maternal grandfather actually had light green eyes and his mother had violet eyes, so it seems rare colors run in the family

anyway, the op is preposturous in a kind of entertaining way as long as you don't take it seriously

we know the only thing that makes us acceptable to God and that is salvation through His Son :)
 

Pilgrimshope

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Blue eyed people who are not following Jesus Christ and His doctrine are fallen angels.

Brown eyed people who are not following Jesus Christ and His doctrine are demons.

People claiming salvation through grace and Paul's doctrine are trying to climb the fence and will not enter the kingdom of God.

Jesus Christ, John the baptist and the 11 disciples showed us the way through faith in the Lord and His word.

There is no pre-tribulation rapture, only the elect are spared this is false doctrine pushed by churches for $$$ same as grace $$$.

Peter is not the rock the church is to be built on as catholic's believe it is through Jesus Christ and His doctrine alone He is the rock.

What is in a person's heart is known by their actions and lack of repentance, doctrine they follow, people they follow and also by the color of their children's eyes: blue of God, metalic blue of fallen angels, brown of the flesh/satan. Amount of darkness reveals how much darkness is in them.

All blue-eyed people not having blue eyed children are people who have been cut off from the Father and Jesus Christ.

Parable of the 10 virgins are: the wise - people who seek and follow the Lord and His doctrine, the foolish - those who steal light and knowledge from people who seek the Lord but are too lazy themselves.
Are you talking about actual eye color or using it metophorically ?
 

Pilgrimshope

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I very much agree.

Which is why I'm so intrigued as to why @MarcoftheTruth believes that certain eye colors determine whether a person is a fallen angel, demon, or rejected by God.

I have no idea how someone would come to such an extreme conclusion, but I'd like to hear the story.
I meant I did read that and wasn’t sure if it’s literal or metrophorocal im assuming he’s meaning “ blue eyed people “ in tbe metophorical sense
 

seoulsearch

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I meant I did read that and wasn’t sure if it’s literal or metrophorocal im assuming he’s meaning “ blue eyed people “ in tbe metophorical sense
I would find this even more confusing because I don't know if any references to "metaphorically blue eyes" in the Bible, or what they mean?

I could be wrong though.
 

Pilgrimshope

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I would find this even more confusing because I don't know if any references to "metaphorically blue eyes" in the Bible, or what they mean?

I could be wrong though.
Yes he’s not quoting the Bible there ( i don’t figure but could be wrong ) I think he’s saying “ blue eyed people “ meaning that term
On the worldly metophorical sense

“having or representing childlike innocence”

I think n context he’s saying this with that term

Blue eyed people who are not following Jesus Christ and His doctrine are fallen angels.

Brown eyed people who are not following Jesus Christ and His doctrine are demons.

People claiming salvation through grace and Paul's doctrine are trying to climb the fence and will not enter the kingdom of God.”

this is why I assumed blue eyes was being used metophorically not that it’s a quote from scriptire but just how he’s saying what he’s saying using the metophor

I could also be completely wrong that happens a lot

I think he’s more talking about people who are not listening to Jesus doctrine in the gospel than eye color but again I’m wrong as much as I’m right so I guess I’m neither on a consistent basis 😅😅
 

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A right thing done in the wrong way, is wrong.
A wrong thing done in the right way, is wrong.
A right thing has to be done in the right way, and that’s God’s way.
We worship God is spirit and in truth.
 

Pilgrimshope

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We worship God is spirit and in truth.
In spirit

It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭6:63‬ ‭KJV‬‬

and truth

“Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.”
‭‭John‬ ‭18:37‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:24‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus

hath made me free from the law of sin and death.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭8:1-2‬ ‭

“Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; and ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.”
‭‭John‬ ‭8:31-32‬ ‭

“But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you. Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭6:17-18‬ ‭KJV‬‬

pauls terminology comes from Jesus words
 

homwardbound

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“Yeah, he was not missing for fourteen years. It was him not going to flesh and blood ( the Disciples) for fourteen years.”

It doesn’t hold water that he did this immediately after seeing Jesus though when we see acts but rather than he didn’t do cult with the apostles when he went to preach to the heathen in Arabia and not that he saw Jesus then went to Arabia without talking to anyone but that when he decided to go preach the gospel to the Jew then he didn’t consult with them his conversion happened in acts he was converted by the vision in Damascus road , then Ananias was went to him then he received the gospel and was baptized and began immediately to preach the gospel in the synagogues

See his conversion and first audience here

“And immediately there fell from his eyes as it had been scales: and he received sight forthwith, and arose, and was baptized.

And when he had received meat, he was strengthened. Then was Saul certain days with the disciples which were at Damascus. And straightway he preached Christ in the synagogues, that he is the Son of God. But all that heard him were amazed, and said; Is not this he that destroyed them which called on this name in Jerusalem, and came hither for that intent, that he might bring them bound unto the chief priests? But Saul increased the more in strength, and confounded the Jews which dwelt at Damascus, proving that this is very Christ.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭9:18-22‬ ‭KJV‬‬

And then this seems to be at the point he began to preach to the heathen ( pagans ) in Arabia

“For ye have heard of my conversation in time past in the Jews' religion, how that beyond measure I persecuted the church of God, and wasted it: and profited in the Jews' religion above many my equals in mine own nation, being more exceedingly zealous of the traditions of my fathers. But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and called me by his grace, to reveal his Son in me, that I might preach him among the heathen; immediately I conferred not with flesh and blood: neither went I up to Jerusalem to them which were apostles before me; but I went into Arabia, and returned again unto Damascus. Then after three years I went up to Jerusalem to see Peter, and abode with him fifteen days.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭1:13-18‬ ‭

Do you see what I’m saying ? It’s all true how do we reconcile Paul’s trip to Arabia it definately happened but definately want at his conversion before he preached the gospel according to both sections of scripture

I’m thinking that Paul’s saying “ I didn’t confere with the apostles or any man when the lord called me to preach to the heathen . That this is when he went to Arabia seeking a pagan audience that hadn’t heard the gospel yet

Paul expresses his desire tomoresch to new audiences that hadn’t been blinded by the law of Moses like many Jews

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Now I would not have you ignorant, brethren, that oftentimes I purposed to come unto you, (but was let hitherto,) that I might have some fruit among you also, even as among other Gentiles. I am debtor both to the Greeks, and to the Barbarians; both to the wise, and to the unwise. So, as much as in me is, I am ready to preach the gospel to you that are at Rome also.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭1:13-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Remember Paul’s calling was tomoresch the gospel to both Jew and gentile but he focused on gentiles because they heard better than Jews

Maybe Paul headed to Arabia because God out this in his heart and it was a heathen land where the gospel hadn’t been heard yet ?

“Yea, so have I strived to preach the gospel, not where Christ was named, lest I should build upon another man's foundation:”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭15:20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

she didn’t want to follow Peter or johns work but establish his own zones of conversion not out of envy or strife but to preach the gospel to all as he was called to do

makes sense he would look for heAthens who hadn’t heard yet the gospel
Does the allegory of the post, posted, say anything to you? about Paul, does it make any sense or is it just literal from the Bible to conjecture what is said as what is meant only? Just curious. God transformed Paul to be dead to his first born life as a Pharisee, under Law that he was doing it literally,

God in my transformation, is desiring Spiritual fruit, love from him in his resurrected Son to now lead not, me. Luke 21:14-15
I did start out as a Religious nut, Thinking I had to imitate Jesus, and was doing my best at trying to do that as best I could. Only to find me trapped in sin, even though I had stopped many of them, I was still trapped, until
I got asked, which Jesus are you believing? I replied what? There is only one Jesus! That is when I got this
There is the dead Jesus. people are trying to imitate, and are sore at not doing what they know to do, because no one can but Jesus. Is that you? I was asked. I replied, Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Then asked what does the resurrected Jesus mean to you?
I replied he is risen. Then asked, could that be what God wants to now do, is live his risen life of love to all, through you, maybe?
He died once for all, I see this new now, in the risen Life over the dead one I was busy and barren at trying to live it out and could not, hiding in secrecy, not wanting anyone to know I lusted after the flesh and for worldly things too.
That is just me then, Now brother in seeing God is not of the dead, God is of the living and Jesus is alive as if never died. Wanting to Live this risen life through us, the people in willing belief to see, it is not any of self work ever that can keep me out of sin, that keeps people in sin. That is of the past, that had me in it choking to death, those past episodes of my troubles trying to not sin and still did that anyways. I see Romans 7 clearer than ever now.

The Thought has changed, saved by the risen life, seeing the death was needed first to reconcile all to himself first as recenciled (Forgiven). All that is left for us is, to believe it and be new in it forever With Father and Son doing the leading
As said in, Luke 21:14-15
getting self out of the way, can only be by being willingly dead to self, to learn new from God to each child personally, between God and them personally Thanks
Hope you see the Chalk board now, with your entire life of first birth written on it and see to erase that life too. Then write new from God to you in love and mercy to you too, all others also. Trusting God to give you the words needed
Thank you.
I know what is said, I do not know what you hear, I am trusting for you to hear from God personally thank you
 

homwardbound

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Yes your points were wll considered and taken I got hung up on reconciling Paul’s trip to Arabia lol sorry sorry

remember Paul’s claim here ?

“Having therefore obtained help of God, I continue unto this day, witnessing both to small and great, saying none other things than those which the prophets and Moses did say should come:

that Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭26:22-23‬ ‭KJV‬‬

a revelation is when God opens our understanding to what’s already there like this is revelation being given

“Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken: ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory? And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself. And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,( revelation ) and said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. And ye are witnesses of these things.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭24:25-27, 44-48‬ ‭

and Paul knew and presched the same through revelation

“And when they had appointed him a day, there came many to him into his lodging; to whom he expounded and testified the kingdom of God, persuading them concerning Jesus, both out of the law of Moses, and out of the prophets, from morning till evening. And some believed the things which were spoken, and some believed not.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭28:23-24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

God, I continue unto this day, witnessing both to small and great, saying none other things than those which the prophets and Moses did say should come:

that Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.”

I think revelation means “an apacolypse “ meankng like your lifting a veil that was there and what’s there is being revealed to the viewer , “to uncover “ “ to reveal what was hidden “

rather than thinking it’s a new thing that’s never been there
Absolutely, thanking Father, entering his courts with praise and thanksgiving, by Son all sin now taken out of the way as far as the east is form the west
To see as well
Yes your points were wll considered and taken I got hung up on reconciling Paul’s trip to Arabia lol sorry sorry

remember Paul’s claim here ?

“Having therefore obtained help of God, I continue unto this day, witnessing both to small and great, saying none other things than those which the prophets and Moses did say should come:

that Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭26:22-23‬ ‭KJV‬‬

a revelation is when God opens our understanding to what’s already there like this is revelation being given

“Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken: ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory? And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself. And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,( revelation ) and said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. And ye are witnesses of these things.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭24:25-27, 44-48‬ ‭

and Paul knew and presched the same through revelation

“And when they had appointed him a day, there came many to him into his lodging; to whom he expounded and testified the kingdom of God, persuading them concerning Jesus, both out of the law of Moses, and out of the prophets, from morning till evening. And some believed the things which were spoken, and some believed not.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭28:23-24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

God, I continue unto this day, witnessing both to small and great, saying none other things than those which the prophets and Moses did say should come:

that Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.”

I think revelation means “an apacolypse “ meankng like your lifting a veil that was there and what’s there is being revealed to the viewer , “to uncover “ “ to reveal what was hidden “

rather than thinking it’s a new thing that’s never been there
Absolute truth given us to see, as it can and does take time in not ever denying God as in the book of Job reveals to me now, Thank you friend in the risen Son for us all.
 

homwardbound

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Yes your points were wll considered and taken I got hung up on reconciling Paul’s trip to Arabia lol sorry sorry

remember Paul’s claim here ?

“Having therefore obtained help of God, I continue unto this day, witnessing both to small and great, saying none other things than those which the prophets and Moses did say should come:

that Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭26:22-23‬ ‭KJV‬‬

a revelation is when God opens our understanding to what’s already there like this is revelation being given

“Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken: ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory? And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself. And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,( revelation ) and said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. And ye are witnesses of these things.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭24:25-27, 44-48‬ ‭

and Paul knew and presched the same through revelation

“And when they had appointed him a day, there came many to him into his lodging; to whom he expounded and testified the kingdom of God, persuading them concerning Jesus, both out of the law of Moses, and out of the prophets, from morning till evening. And some believed the things which were spoken, and some believed not.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭28:23-24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

God, I continue unto this day, witnessing both to small and great, saying none other things than those which the prophets and Moses did say should come:

that Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.”

I think revelation means “an apacolypse “ meankng like your lifting a veil that was there and what’s there is being revealed to the viewer , “to uncover “ “ to reveal what was hidden “

rather than thinking it’s a new thing that’s never been there
Absolutely, thanking Father, entering his courts with praise and thanksgiving, by Son all sin now taken out of the way as far as the east is form the west
To see as well
being new in the risen life for us to focus on only, thanks
 

Pilgrimshope

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Does the allegory of the post, posted, say anything to you? about Paul, does it make any sense or is it just literal from the Bible to conjecture what is said as what is meant only? Just curious. God transformed Paul to be dead to his first born life as a Pharisee, under Law that he was doing it literally,

God in my transformation, is desiring Spiritual fruit, love from him in his resurrected Son to now lead not, me. Luke 21:14-15
I did start out as a Religious nut, Thinking I had to imitate Jesus, and was doing my best at trying to do that as best I could. Only to find me trapped in sin, even though I had stopped many of them, I was still trapped, until
I got asked, which Jesus are you believing? I replied what? There is only one Jesus! That is when I got this
There is the dead Jesus. people are trying to imitate, and are sore at not doing what they know to do, because no one can but Jesus. Is that you? I was asked. I replied, Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Then asked what does the resurrected Jesus mean to you?
I replied he is risen. Then asked, could that be what God wants to now do, is live his risen life of love to all, through you, maybe?
He died once for all, I see this new now, in the risen Life over the dead one I was busy and barren at trying to live it out and could not, hiding in secrecy, not wanting anyone to know I lusted after the flesh and for worldly things too.
That is just me then, Now brother in seeing God is not of the dead, God is of the living and Jesus is alive as if never died. Wanting to Live this risen life through us, the people in willing belief to see, it is not any of self work ever that can keep me out of sin, that keeps people in sin. That is of the past, that had me in it choking to death, those past episodes of my troubles trying to not sin and still did that anyways. I see Romans 7 clearer than ever now.

The Thought has changed, saved by the risen life, seeing the death was needed first to reconcile all to himself first as recenciled (Forgiven). All that is left for us is, to believe it and be new in it forever With Father and Son doing the leading
As said in, Luke 21:14-15
getting self out of the way, can only be by being willingly dead to self, to learn new from God to each child personally, between God and them personally Thanks
Hope you see the Chalk board now, with your entire life of first birth written on it and see to erase that life too. Then write new from God to you in love and mercy to you too, all others also. Trusting God to give you the words needed
Thank you.
I know what is said, I do not know what you hear, I am trusting for you to hear from God personally thank you
First let me say . A lot of what you say in this forum makes sense to me but some i don’t really understand what you’re saying . So probably have not always perceived it well . I’ll go through these as soon as I can and reply
 

Dino246

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#40
The claim in the opening post is utter hogwash. There's no need to entertain his trolling any further.