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homwardbound

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I am surprised when people reject teachings that came directly from Jesus, Himself. It was He who revealed more is required than belief alone. And that there is a foundation that must be laid upon Him.


I've provided the scriptures below, in the event you are not familiar with what they say:

"Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven...
Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.
And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it." Matthew 7:21-27


The account in Luke provides more detail regarding what Jesus said, "Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like: He is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation ON a rock: (the rock being Jesus)
and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock.

But he that heareth, and doeth not, is like a man that without a foundation built an house upon the earth; against which the stream did beat vehemently, and immediately it fell; and the ruin of that house was great." Luke 6:47-49
So true, I believe God and am free with Father and Son as you just quoted scripture, I do not see to ever take this grace given for granted. I am hearing that be what you are thinking. however, Believe God, receive from God and be new in God's love and mercy through the Resurrected Son that took away sin first in his one time death alone
Thank you
 

Wansvic

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I suppose that you don't believe Jesus yourself.

You preach that everyone who is not water Baptised remains in their sin when Jesus only said your sins are forgiven without water baptising anyone.This woman was not saved by water baptism.

Luke 7
37 And, behold, a woman in the city, which was a sinner, when she knew that Jesus sat at meat in the Pharisee's house, brought an alabaster box of ointment,

38 And stood at his feet behind him weeping, and began to wash his feet with tears, and did wipe them with the hairs of her head, and kissed his feet, and anointed them with the ointment.

39 Now when the Pharisee which had bidden him saw it, he spake within himself, saying, This man, if he were a prophet, would have known who and what manner of woman this is that toucheth him: for she is a sinner.

40 And Jesus answering said unto him, Simon, I have somewhat to say unto thee. And he saith, Master, say on.

41 There was a certain creditor which had two debtors: the one owed five hundred pence, and the other fifty.

42 And when they had nothing to pay, he frankly forgave them both. Tell me therefore, which of them will love him most?

43 Simon answered and said, I suppose that he, to whom he forgave most. And he said unto him, Thou hast rightly judged.

44 And he turned to the woman, and said unto Simon, Seest thou this woman? I entered into thine house, thou gavest me no water for my feet: but she hath washed my feet with tears, and wiped them with the hairs of her head.

45 Thou gavest me no kiss: but this woman since the time I came in hath not ceased to kiss my feet.

46 My head with oil thou didst not anoint: but this woman hath anointed my feet with ointment.

47 Wherefore I say unto thee, Her sins, which are many, are forgiven; for she loved much: but to whom little is forgiven, the same loveth little

48 And he said unto her, Thy sins are forgiven.

49 And they that sat at meat with him began to say within themselves, Who is this that forgiveth sins also?

50 And he said to the woman, Thy faith hath saved thee; go in peace.
The word says water baptism in the name of Jesus is for remission so sin.
 

homwardbound

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I suppose that you don't believe Jesus yourself.

You preach that everyone who is not water Baptised remains in their sin when Jesus only said your sins are forgiven without water baptising anyone.This woman was not saved by water baptism.

Luke 7
37 And, behold, a woman in the city, which was a sinner, when she knew that Jesus sat at meat in the Pharisee's house, brought an alabaster box of ointment,

38 And stood at his feet behind him weeping, and began to wash his feet with tears, and did wipe them with the hairs of her head, and kissed his feet, and anointed them with the ointment.

39 Now when the Pharisee which had bidden him saw it, he spake within himself, saying, This man, if he were a prophet, would have known who and what manner of woman this is that toucheth him: for she is a sinner.

40 And Jesus answering said unto him, Simon, I have somewhat to say unto thee. And he saith, Master, say on.

41 There was a certain creditor which had two debtors: the one owed five hundred pence, and the other fifty.

42 And when they had nothing to pay, he frankly forgave them both. Tell me therefore, which of them will love him most?

43 Simon answered and said, I suppose that he, to whom he forgave most. And he said unto him, Thou hast rightly judged.

44 And he turned to the woman, and said unto Simon, Seest thou this woman? I entered into thine house, thou gavest me no water for my feet: but she hath washed my feet with tears, and wiped them with the hairs of her head.

45 Thou gavest me no kiss: but this woman since the time I came in hath not ceased to kiss my feet.

46 My head with oil thou didst not anoint: but this woman hath anointed my feet with ointment.

47 Wherefore I say unto thee, Her sins, which are many, are forgiven; for she loved much: but to whom little is forgiven, the same loveth little

48 And he said unto her, Thy sins are forgiven.

49 And they that sat at meat with him began to say within themselves, Who is this that forgiveth sins also?

50 And he said to the woman, Thy faith hath saved thee; go in peace.
In agreement to what is done form us all by Son to us all as predicted by the Prophets, first and now Hebrews 1 stands out to me.
Matthew 17:20
And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you.
Matthew 19:26
But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.

Oh, I know, I must to be sure, I choose to be sacrificed of self efforts as now am forgiven, reconciled to YouGod, through Son as my only mediator to you. Thank You Father and Son as Won, (One)
It is after the cross in his resurrection, that people get saved, not ever in any work to do as thought to have todo or else attitudes, Thank You Lord, I believe you, in taking away the sin of the world (John 1:29)for me at the cross, includes everyone (Hebrews 10:10). I believe you raised Son back to life as proof to those that got him killed along with the disciples, who saw him alive after death first (Col 2). Saw this truth, Wow, woe is me as in Isaiah 6:1-7. I trust you to reveal all truth in your love and mercy to me about Son for me to walk new in his done work, and love all as is done by Son first for us to stand in, thanksgiving and praise with all sin taken away as far as the east is from the west. not any of my own or anyone else's, thank you
 

homwardbound

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The word says water baptism in the name of Jesus is for remission so sin.
is that what water Baptism was for, remission of sin? Is that what John the Baptist's job was? What was John the Baptist's job?
Dis Jesus need to get any forgiveness, reconciliation or have to begotten any remission of any sin?

What did John Baptize with?
What does Jesus Baptize with?
 

Shilohsfoal

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The word says water baptism in the name of Jesus is for remission so sin.
You claim to be sent by Jesus to Baptise in water ,(per the word).

How many people have you Baptised in water since Jesus sent you?
 

homwardbound

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You claim to be sent by Jesus to Baptise in water ,(per the word).

How many people have you Baptised in water since Jesus sent you?
Under Law, under a curse, which be the first flesh born, in need to be born again in God's Spirit and Truth in the risen Son over the dead one, as not one person but Son ever fulfilled the Law and Prophets ever
As said at the water Baptism, John refused at first to do it. Where Jesus said he is to do all that is right under Law, perfectly. And Jesus was not of Levi Tribe either. Baptized in by John the Baptist, Levite Priest. Wow!!!!!!!!!!
So John Baptized saw his Cousin Jesus coming, as he did not know who the Messiah was until John, saw him come to be baptized by him. John's job was to Water Baptize Jesus as the "High Priest" that takes away the sin of the world, in his Father's sight for us the people to beleive it and be made new in it. Born again! Wow, seeing Isaiah 6:1-7 fulfilled
John's Job was over, when announced Christ the Messiah was here then on earth for the Israelites only at ftime. Then, this passed onto the Gentiles too, without Law to be given it, as Peter saw it in Acts, with the house of Cornelius. Yet man has to intervene in God's down work for them to rest in, as man will not rest, unfortunately. read all of Chapter 4, keeping it all in context, actually start at Chapter 1 of Hebrews will we? I hope so, thanks

Hebrews 4:9-13

Authorized (King James) Version

9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. 10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his. 11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.
12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. 13 Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do.
 

timemeddler

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more water baptism debate, while I'm not dumb enough to risk being wrong personally, I don't think it's a no exceptions policy, much of the writings about water baptism seem to go on the premise that water is available, the ethopian eunich for example. I don't think death bed cases are in any danger of hell, otherwise the bible would say something about it directly. “The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance.” Get baptised as soon as you can, but don't assume because of circumstances beyond you control that if you can't, you're not saved.