Saul of Tarsus was not saved on the road to Damascus.

who do you think baptized the apostles?

the question has never been whether we should be obedient or not. the question is whether Christ alone saves or if something must be added to the work He did to make it sufficient.

Just out of curiosity.... is it your belief that if a person accepts Jesus, then goes the rest of his life refusing to be baptized, they are still welcomed as "saved" ? I know it's a hypothetical.... I'm just curious.

i do - and it may not really be a hypothetical, because there was a time in the history of the church that people refused baptist until the end of their life, believing any sin after baptism wasn't forgiven.

not everyone has the luxury of knowing when they will die, and i am sure some people lived this way and died suddenly without being baptized, and if any of those people were truly saved, i don't think they became unsaved because of this. they were acting on the best understanding they had, by faith.

whatever you are submitting to, if that is how you perceive salvation, it is not biblical

rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft...certainly not saying something is work if it is actually work

salvation is through Christ alone and HIS work in obedience to the Father, on the cross, shedding his sinless blood for the forgiveness and putting away of our sins when we trust in Him

The question is not should we obey but what we must obey.

This is the flow and form of the Scriptures.

If you are doing something to earn your salvation then you are wrong.
If you are obeying what is commanded to be saved then you are wise.

give me a good smack if I am wrong here, but the author of this post has created two opposing thoughts on salvation

I can't even......smh sigh

I have never heard of that....are you talking about the Roman Catholic church? I know they believe in "last rites"...
well, they were acting on the best understanding they had because of what they were taught.... not from what they studied and read in scripture... they put their faith in what a teacher taught them, instead of the truth the Spirit will show to us.
Be a Berean, in other words...

Which makes it doubly important for us, as believers, to teach the WHOLE truth, not simply our comfortable version of it..

SMACK!

uh huh

no surprise there

I have my armor on tho....so....

this is the 21st C

good folks back in the day did not have the availability of Bibles that us charmers here do....not to mention many being not allowed to have one, never mind read/study it. and latin...well that's a whole nother thing...and the problem of illiteracy and the fear mongering of the religious....sort of like some do today

history is such a joy kill

It's whom we must obey.

Also correct. But it's not baptism that saves, it's the blood. It is wholly sufficient.

What? Tell me it ain't so!
Next you will tell me they didn't have GOOGLE either.... that just ain't right....

Your response is but a appeal to semantics, nothing more.
Now an appeal to the metaphysical. How about just obeying the words of Jesus.

better watch out.... you know that "obedience" is a WORK, don't you? Can't have that, now... can we?

didn't think about what you said regarding Bible study and it took you almost an hr to come with this?

really no need of a next time

tootles

Well, unlike some of you, I do not live on this forum... I actually work for a living. Sometimes there is a delay in response... sorry if that hurts your feelings, but, here we are.

Secondly, he did not mention the time-frame when this baptism postponment took place.... it could very well have been after good old King Jimmy had the Bible translated into the King's English... so there's that.

Thirdly, I was mostly addressing the need for us, as modern day believers, to do the right thing by studying and being Bereans...

and finally, you really don't want to get in a battle of wits here.... I think you are inadequately armed.... you should really just let me and Post continue with our semi-private discussion... join in if you wish, but don't get your feelers hurt if you are dismissed out of hand....

No, it's not, it's whom we must obey. People take too many Scriptures twisted out of context and make their own religion out of it. Calvin was a whiz at it.


Where did anyone say not to obey the Words of Jesus??! Point me to it. I get you have this whole pickle ball thing rolling here that even if someone did agree with you 100% you'd still find a reason to disagree. But you can twist in the wind all you want, it is the BLOOD APPLIED to your sins that saved you, not water. Baptizing is an outward symbol of what happened inwardly, we are dead to sin. No one here said don't obey Jesus words. smh So put your pickle ball paddle down. The point remains, saved by the blood, through faith.

It's the blood plus nothing. Either Jesus blood is sufficient or it isn't. The point remains, as much as some here keep swimming around it, that it is the blood only that washes away sin.

If we follow the logic offered to imitate Jesus' example, to the T, the Baptist would see us coming and he'd proclaim to everyone, "look who comes!" and then say to us, "it is me that should be baptized by you," and we'd reply, "let it be done in order to fulfill all righteousness"... and then we'd be led into the wilderness and, eventually, be crucified. No doubt, ye all would say to that proposition, "don't be ridiculous."

However, at what point do we accept that Jesus has fulfilled all righteousness? And at what point is all our righteousness fulfilled in Him?

I was baptized the summer I was to turn 14. I didn't return for the documentation, so I really don't recall the exact date and whether I saw actually 13 and not yet 14 but, at any rate, in Hebrew tradition, at the time well past the bat mitzvah that would consider me and adult. But it seems that I was driven into the wilderness the next 10 years until Oct 28, 1993, 11am (at its commencement) when I emerged standing firm in the Lord. Not that I persecuted Christians or was struck blind, but it was a sort of Damascus experience where scales fell from my eyes and I my sight was proverbially restored, and I knew true elation that no one has been able to discourage since.

I write this only FWIW.