What if you die before water baptism?

Here’s a responses of the Pharisees to a man who also had an experience:
“They said to the blind man again, “What do you say about Him because He opened your eyes?” He said, “He is a prophet.” Then they said to him again, “What did He do to you? How did He open your eyes?””
‭‭John‬ ‭9‬:‭26

The guy didn’t know how Jesus healed him, He just did.

Water baptism did not end at Pentecost; it was modified to include the name of Jesus in association with His death, burial and resurrection. Jesus prophesied about this in Luke 24:47.

In addition, the Apostle Paul was still water baptizing people in the name of Jesus 20+ years after Pentecost. (Acts 19:1-7)

Yes, Paul makes it clear that receiving the Spirit of Christ is an essential element of salvation. And it was also Paul who asked, Have you received the Holy Ghost SINCE you believed? His question gives proof positive that the Holy Ghost is not automatically received upon belief in Jesus. Consider Jesus instruction as well. He told those who had not yet received the Holy Ghost to ask the Father to receive the gift. (Luke 11:13)

When are one's sins remitted according to the word?

My question: "How does "filled" with the spirit differ from the other mentions of the spirit?"

Your question: "So what percentage did I get at salvation if I wasn't "filled" at that time? 10%? 50%? 80%?"

And you call me "coy"?

Wow!

If there is no difference then we receive the Holy Spirit at water baptism. Period.

Peter said to them, “Change your hearts and lives and be baptized, each one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ. Then God will forgive your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. Acts 2:38 ERV

Because I was responding to someone else who was suggesting there was a difference, and then you jumped it without reading the thread and incorrectly thought I was the one suggesting there's a difference. Try reading the thread before you make assumptions.

There were 120 in the upper room. (Acts 1:13-15, 2:1) Peter referenced what occurred as fulfillment of Joel's prophecy about God pouring out His Spirit on sons and daughters, etc. (Acts 2:17-18)

I was surprised to find an OT event that paralleled God coming to dwell in the 120 in the upper room on the Day of Pentecost:
"The 120 in the Upper Room are associated with the 120 priests who were with Solomon when he brought the Ark of the Covenant to Jerusalem. The Ark of the Covenant symbolises God’s Presence (2 Chron 5:12). The 120 priests are dedicated to perform the rituals of the temple. As they leave the Holy of Holies they sing praises to the Lord accompanied by musical instruments and as they do, the cloud of the Presence of the Glory of God descends upon them. They can no longer minister in the Presence of God because of the weight of Kabod (the glory of the Presence) and the likelihood they will die in touching the Presence. (2 Chron 6:1:18). There were 120 priests leading the people in the temple in Solomon’s time, waiting for God to indwell the Holy of Holies. Likewise, there are 120 brethren praising God and waiting for the Promise of the Father in the Upper Room. In Solomon’s temple there are 120 priests worshipping with one voice. In the Upper Room 120 are praying with one voice in complete accord. The Presence of the Lord fills the Holy of Holies, so too The Holy Spirit of God rests on each of the 120 believers gathered in the Upper Room with tongues of fire. With the coming of the Holy Spirit, as promised, those present become the Temple of the Holy Spirit, members of the Body of Christ and priests to serve God for all humanity, Jews and Gentiles." Excerpt from Berean Insights.

as soon as a born again Christian asks God in the name of Jesus Christ to have sins forgiven, they are forgiven. now, John 9:31 teaches: "now we know that God heareth NOT sinners, but if any man be a worshipper of God & doeth His will, him He heareth". this means God does not hear the prayers of an atheist. this can be confusing because "hearth not sinners" is everyone. everyone sins, yes, born again Christians. but the big issue is people committing UNREPENTANT sin will not have sins forgiven. when a b.a. Christian commits sin, he or she will hear from the Holy Spirit & their own spirit convicting them & saying something like, "that's wrong, stop it", or "don't do that".

You appear to be arguing with yourself at this point.

“Interesting” with a line through it 🤔

IOW 'not interesting'

Well, at least you’re communicating. There’s probably not too much about the Holy Spirit on here. There are some true Biblical scholars on here for sure. Several of these guys could write seminary books - which is certainly more interesting than some average Christian guy with a basic Holy Spirit experience. Carry on

Plus, when we believe, we are sealed with the Holy Spirit.


Ephesians 1:13-14

Scripture reveals sins are remitted upon obedience to water baptism. Water baptism instituted for those living in the NT was modified to include the need to invoke the name of Jesus in association with His sacrifice. (Acts 2:38-41, 22:16; Luke 3:3, Mark 1:1-5, etc.)

that means you would have to do a work to receive something. Jesus didn't leave us to finish His work of salvation. besides, everyone can't get baptized!

Baptism does not get you to heaven

IOW, no discernment. lol

No discernment? Because I said there’s some biblical scholars? Okay…