Scripture Based Flat Earth Proposition

C’mon @GaryA, let me introduce you to my flight school instructors. If you can convince them that the earth is flat you’re a wizard.

Having been involved with electronics most of my life, I also know something about radio and radar. I believe some of what you say here is true; however, I think a few things are not quite as correct as much as you might like to think. (Because of what you were taught and not taught - you were taught on a need-to-know basis - they taught you what they wanted you to know - remember this!)

First, in every area of electronics - power is in fact significant - but, very much so in the RF arena - and, it can certainly affect the efficiency of signal transmission over any sufficient distance.

The reason for the height is not earth curvature. The real reason has to do with the fact that higher frequency waves have smaller wavelengths - which are more easy to block or disrupt by small things such as a drop of water. Antennas are mounted higher up to reduce the "ground clutter" encountered down closer to the water level. In your illustration, radar cannot detect low-flying cruise missiles because they "get lost" in the "ground clutter" of water droplets, etc. in the air above water level due to water turbulence from waves, etc. - providing a "cover" for the missiles - because microwaves may be absorbed and blocked by the water - and never get far enough to bounce off of anything and return to be picked up by the receiver.

Also, since microwaves can "cook" flesh and cause cancer - antennas are mounted higher up to keep humans well away from the transmitted waves.

In the Flat Earth model, Australia is on the same 'plane' as/with every other continent/country.

So, you flat earthers believe,

The I.S.S. is fake.
Satellites are fake.
Apollo Moon Landings are fake.
Thousands of Planet pictures, all fake.
Planets are round EXCEPT EARTH.
N.A.S.A., E.S.A., ROSCOSMOS., C.N.E.S., J.A.X.A., C.N.S.A.,
these agencies and data are hoaxes also? (AND 20-30 more).

Seriously??

Seriously.

It is all part of a "grand illusion" for the purpose of keeping the world population "in the MATRIX" - to keep it in the dark concerning the true nature of our reality. However, it may be clearly seen and understood by any who is willing to unbrainwash themselves - "escape the MATRIX" - and wake up to the truth about our world.

A 'planet' is a "wandering star" according to scripture. None of the "planets" is actually a "planet" in the sense that we have all been taught since birth.

I certainly note your position , however more from a selfish standpoint.
I am being educated on the spirit of deception & its tactics ...

Metaphor is defined as "a figure of speech in which a word or phrase literally denoting one kind of object or idea is used in place of another to suggest a likeness or analogy between them." So please explain how "the stars shall fall from heaven" is a metaphor, and what is it a metaphor for? And are the sun, moon, and "the powers of the heavens" that "shall be shaken" also metaphors? And what are they metaphors for?

It’s no point in debating with FE people.

Metaphor is defined as "a figure of speech in which a word or phrase literally denoting one kind of object or idea is used in place of another to suggest a likeness or analogy between them." So please explain how "the stars shall fall from heaven" is a metaphor, and what is it a metaphor for? And are the sun, moon, and "the powers of the heavens" that "shall be shaken" also metaphors? And what are they metaphors for?

Start with Genesis 37:9-11.

I certainly note your position , however more from a selfish standpoint.
I am being educated on the spirit of deception & its tactics ...

Except it's not.

Start with Genesis 37:9-11.

I understand sun, moon, and stars representing Joseph's family in Genesis 37 because the context says it was a dream.

I understand sun, moon, and stars representing Joseph's family in Genesis 37 because the context says it was a dream. The context of Matthew 24 and Revelation 6 are not the same. Do you believe that EVERY place the sun, moon, and stars are mentioned, they are metaphors? He created them (and they aren't metaphors in Genesis 1), and the same sun shall be darkened (black as sackcloth of hair), the same moon shall not give her light (become as blood), and those same stars "shall fall from heaven" (Matthew 24:29; Revelation 6:12-13). So please explain how a metaphor in Genesis 37 can be imposed upon the prophetic utterances of Jesus in Matthew 42 and Revelation 6.

P.S. You still have not answered the question as to what they are metaphors for. The context of Genesis 37:9-11 tells they are metaphors and what they are metaphors for.

Yes... but there are other metaphors used in Scripture where the context does not clearly explain that they are metaphors nor what they represent.

My point is simple: don't assume that the text is literal.

Consider what fell soon after John's prophecy (as it was written prior to 70 AD).

Except it is - and, you cannot deny it - it exists - it is defined by the Flat Earth model - period - live with it - deal with it.

You cannot properly discuss any model that you deny even exists - because, you MUST discuss a particular model from WITHIN the model definition.

You CANNOT discuss the Ball Earth model from a Flat Earth perspective.

You CANNOT discuss the Flat Earth model from a Ball Earth perspective.

You can discuss the Ball Earth model from the Ball Earth perspective.

You can discuss the Flat Earth model from the Flat Earth perspective.

In neither case MUST you believe what the model suggests; however, you MUST discuss each from within its own framework.

In any case - to discuss a particular model does not mean you believe it - just that you are able to think about that model in your mind.

If you are going to deny that a model/theory/etc. can even exist - you are a "silly person" who needs to just stay out of these types of discussions.

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I will try to find time to look at the information in posts #702 and #703 this week - thank you for posting it.

But Matthew 24:29 and Revelation 6:13 are NOT such a case. "Sun, Moon, and Stars" represent "Sun, Moon, and Stars".

It wasn't sun, moon, and stars.

Consider what "sun, moon, and stars" may represent.

Yes... but there are other metaphors used in Scripture where the context does not clearly explain that they are metaphors nor what they represent.

My point is simple: don't assume that the text is literal.

Consider what fell soon after John's prophecy (as it was written prior to 70 AD).

Consider what fell soon after John's prophecy (as it was written prior to 70 AD).