What Changed?

I see no connection of the verses you shared with our discussion. Either sin causes death or it doesn't. If it does, someone who hasn't sin cannot die.

Nature also has been corrupted. The inanimate part of creation didn't sin. Why is it affected?

Not going to get into everything, but children do sin. Very young babies may be a different matter, however, as they have yet to make any decisions.

Does a child in the womb sin?

As I said, very young babies may be a different matter.

That's my point. Sin causes death. There are some who have died yet not sinned. How is that possible?

I think the adversary looks for weaknesses in the living, rather sin is involved or not. Though certainly doesn't mean there's a gain of something from it.

1 Peter 5:8
Be sober-minded, be alert. Your adversary the devil is prowling around like a roaring lion, looking for anyone he can devour.

Thanks for the comments, but what do they have to do with the conversation at hand?

A good point, though I believe it's more complicated. I wasn't looking to solve this puzzle, though. I simply wanted to make sure you all had the right pieces to try putting it together with. More importantly, I didn't want errant doctrine to go unaddressed.

You are using the negative inference fallacy: either murder causes incarceration, or it doesn't. If it does, someone who hasn't murdered can't be incarcerated.

Maybe Adam's sin is also imputed to cows, sheep and tigers? *irony*

And yet children in the womb have done neither good nor evil, a la Jacob and Esau, and yet many children in the womb die. Who or what kills them? It's not God. It is the devil who directly or through his minions, steals, kills and destroys.

How does the devil kill a baby in the womb? Why doesn't God stop it? Furthermore: I would argue what kills them is the idea of Original sin. When Adam sinned, death came into the world, that is why we see animals die, we see babies die, sure the animals haven't sinned, neither have babies, but they are born into this cursed world and death is part and parcel of it until the Lord Jesus Christ comes back and after the Kingdom era will destroy death.

You are free to believe whatever you want. to believe. Carry on. The death of babies in the womb arise from all sorts of causes, but alll of them are downstream result of Adam allowing sin to take a foothold in his body and his developing a family that became trained by him in his own folly, who subsequently allowed sin to take a foothold in their bodies. This has led to violence, pollution, bad hygene and sanitation, genetic weakening, devil worship - and many other debilitating causes of infant mortality. These effects of sin kill babies.

God does not stop it directly, because it is a result of our sin. He tries to get us to deal with the fallout from our sin and He has given us power and authority in Christ to overthrow the devil and his devices and to destroy the works of the devil.

Instead of blaming the parents or the child, as Jesus contemporaries were inclined t do, many today seem keen to blame God. However, as Jesus said,
"But so that the works of God may be seen, we must work the works of Him who sent us while it is day, Night comes when no man can work."

It seems it may have been:
For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope, 21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. 22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now. Romans 8:20-22 (KJV)
I don't know if the word "imputed" would be accurate, but as a direct result of Adam's sin an animal had to die (Gen. 3:21).

Yes, drawn to God at age 12
Yes resisted, did my own thing, yet had in me the care that would not quit. I became an alcoholic at age 14, my sister died at age 18 on an overdose. my dad died at my age 17, he was 63. Then my brother died at age 31, I was 21
I started growing in grace from then on. I quit alcohol at age 26-27. I quit other things since, I am not perfect by me ever or by anyone else either. but God in Son for me and all the world, God continues to never forsake me, never harmed me, never will. Yet the troubles I have been in, can be viewed as if God did them to me.
I do not see it that way. I see this, even though I have been in many adversities, God only wanted what is best for me.
I see Jeremiah 29:11 as is for us all from God to us all. Even though it can be viewed as not for all, literally not saying it is.
That to me is others straining out gnats and swallowing camels
I see to not doubt, not even a modicum of doubt, to not entertain doubt why?

Isaiah 7:9
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9 Samaria is the capital of Ephraim alone, and King Pekah’s power will not increase. You don’t believe me? If you want me to protect you, you must learn to believe what I say.”

death came to all, not a few, all. therfore Christ died too. To save us in his resurrection after his one time only death, willingly took away all sin but Unbelief to this done work. Reconciled to God as if we have not ever sinned. Wow

Isaiah 6:1-7

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6 The year King Uzziah died I saw the Lord! He was sitting on a lofty throne, and the Temple was filled with his glory. 2 Hovering about him were mighty, six-winged angels of fire. With two of their wings they covered their faces, with two others they covered their feet, and with two they flew.3 In a great antiphonal chorus they sang, “Holy, holy, holy is the Lord Almighty; the whole earth is filled with his glory.” 4 Such singing it was! It shook the Temple to its foundations, and suddenly the entire sanctuary was filled with smoke.
5 Then I said, “My doom is sealed, for I am a foul-mouthed sinner, a member of a sinful, foul-mouthed race; and I have looked upon the King, the Lord of heaven’s armies.”
6 Then one of the mighty angels flew over to the altar and with a pair of tongs picked out a burning coal. 7 He touched my lips with it and said, “Now you are pronounced ‘not guilty’ because this coal has touched your lips. Your sins are all forgiven.”

Son did this for us the people in his willing death, who could have refused it, and not go though with it, yet did
Wow, woe is me too, thank you

Thank goodness you did not forget the Gala!

Drawn - Yes!
Resisted - Yes!
Yet the power of God overcame your resistance!
Praise the Lord!

With Deepest Sympathy

Praise the Lord