Suicide and overdoses DON'T mean you will go to hell!

No rebuttal, agreement!

It is a huge mistake to put God in a human box. God is God and we will never fully understand his grace, his mercy or his wrath.

Suicide is a sin, so is an accidental overdose. In both cases someone as rejected God. But not all sin is the same (read the bible before you criticize this statement). We will never know on this earth what happens in those last moments between a suffering human and a loving God. That becomes our statement of faith.

The history of the Church has been specially brutal on this topic even to the point of not only condemning the deceased but also condemning their family. I m not aware of any biblical source for these human judgements.

Now that I have your attention I hope you read my little sermon completely before you have your rebuttles.lol

Often times I have heard of people who while their hearts a broken because of the loss of a loved one who out of desperation for relief ended their life, because they were overwhelmed by grief or lonely isolation. Or to the wayward child or parent who succumbed to addictions and overdosed on a substance giving them a counterfeit happiness. Hears a preacher say that they have committed an unpardenable sin and will burn in he'll forever. And then when people are at their most sensitive time, be told that the only comfort to be had is that the lost soul can be a reminder of how we need to repent and come to Christ before it's too late.

I can say that I hate such instances and they are done by such ignorant and thoughtless people who deny mercy and the atonement of Christ and in a way teach about a God who is unmerciful and unjust.

Before I continue. Let me share some scriptures and then frame the context behind my conclusion.

1) Luke 4:18:19 KJV
The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the broken hearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.

2) 1 Peter 3:18,19 KJV
For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;

3) 1 Peter 4:6 KJV
For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.

4) John 5:25 KJV
Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.

5) 1 Corinthians 15:29 KJV
Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? Why are they then baptized for the dead?

God in his perfection is perfectly just but also perfectly merciful. And it would not seem just to cast off his children who need his mercy the most. When someone is suffering so much that the only way that they feel they can make the pain stop is by making it so that they can physically feel pain any more, when they feel that life is so hard that they can't go on, for those pleading with their soul in a way they can't express verbally, yearning for vedine help and feeling that it isn't there. How could the Lord justly punish such a confused and hopeless soul? How does that show an infinite love to them?

God loves his children. And says that his are is out stretched all the day long if we would but come unto him.

He has prepared a way that the atonement of Christ can reach out to everyone who will take hold of it. That even in death people can hear a message of hope, that there is still a chance before their resurrection they can accept Christ. That even though they may be condemned by those left behind they can still be spiritually saved. That those who loved them can still do a work for them and help them recieve the baptism they have missed. That when they are resurrected they can be resurrected with the just unto life instead of the resurrection of the unjust unto a spiritual death.

I believe that this gives a perfect balance of mercy and justice. That all of the law may be fulfilled and exact. Yet mercy can be extended without robing justice. That all can be done for God's children that he loves unconditionally, but greaves when we turn from him and like the parable of the prodigal son can say. "It was meet that we should make merry, and be glad: for this thy brother was dead, and is alive again; and was lost, and is found."

So the question to be answered when one commits suicide is this: at the deepest level (spirit) did they believe in Jesus?

The entrance into heaven is not based firstly and only on one's actions. It is based on whether one has faith in the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ And of course one's faith will have implications in the actions and deeds of the person.

When a person has faith in Jesus Christ, his sins are forgiven/cleansed by the blood of Jesus Christ (I John 1:7). So the question to be answered when one commits suicide is this: at the deepest level (spirit) did they believe in Jesus?

But having said the above, we must be very, very careful here. To lay out some kind of hope that a lonely depressed person will get to heaven when they commit suicide is reprehensible. One does not gain a direct ticket to heaven by committing murder.

This is an interesting topic and i think it's the Catholics mainly who have an absolute certainty that suicide means that you will automatically go to Hell.
Suicide can come from depression or from choosing to end your life with dignity because of insufferable and endless pain due to a disease.
I personally don't know where people will spend eternity after physical death, that's up to God only but this topic is not as cut and dry as we'd like to think of it from our perspective here and now.
The Orthodox Church, which i'm a member of, also looks at suicide in a very similar way to Catholics but not as strict. Most priests will understand that due to pain one can choose to end their life. But some others don't understand this and they don't offer funeral services for the family which i think it's not a very comforting thing to do for the family especially when one ends their life with dignity.
The churches i have been part of, usually provide funeral services for the family even on cases when young people (around 20) died from overdose or killed themselves from depression.
One mother in my church was crying for a whole year because her son killed himself with drugs and all we could do was hug her and try to comfort her. And yes the priest did provide a funeral for that young man.

There is a big difference between suicide and assisted suicide. Assisted suicide is deliberate murder. God's penalty for that crime is clear.

I think that there is a harsh line when people approach suicide. Because they end their life people say they murdered themselves. But the Bible has laws against murder and laws about slayers. And the penalty for murder is death. So does the executioner also get condemned? I think there is more mercy to be had upon God's children than I think some are willing to give. If God is love don't forget that he has compassion otherwise we just sound like those in the Old Testament making God sound harsh and unempathetic.

A respectful question. Who makes God sound harsh and unempathetic in the old (First) testament? His very first act, creation, is an act of love and grace. (Did we do anything to earn it?) That theme is continual throughout His word. His justice for the faithful and His wrath for evil have never been quick, harsh or unthoughtful. If He were any of those, why then, did He need to send His Son?

Those false claims are made from outside the Bible, not inside. They are made to deceive and must be called out.

Now that I have your attention I hope you read my little sermon completely before you have your rebuttles.lol

Often times I have heard of people who while their hearts a broken because of the loss of a loved one who out of desperation for relief ended their life, because they were overwhelmed by grief or lonely isolation. Or to the wayward child or parent who succumbed to addictions and overdosed on a substance giving them a counterfeit happiness. Hears a preacher say that they have committed an unpardenable sin and will burn in he'll forever. And then when people are at their most sensitive time, be told that the only comfort to be had is that the lost soul can be a reminder of how we need to repent and come to Christ before it's too late.

I can say that I hate such instances and they are done by such ignorant and thoughtless people who deny mercy and the atonement of Christ and in a way teach about a God who is unmerciful and unjust.

Before I continue. Let me share some scriptures and then frame the context behind my conclusion.

1) Luke 4:18:19 KJV
The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the broken hearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.

2) 1 Peter 3:18,19 KJV
For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;

3) 1 Peter 4:6 KJV
For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.

4) John 5:25 KJV
Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.

5) 1 Corinthians 15:29 KJV
Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? Why are they then baptized for the dead?

God in his perfection is perfectly just but also perfectly merciful. And it would not seem just to cast off his children who need his mercy the most. When someone is suffering so much that the only way that they feel they can make the pain stop is by making it so that they can physically feel pain any more, when they feel that life is so hard that they can't go on, for those pleading with their soul in a way they can't express verbally, yearning for vedine help and feeling that it isn't there. How could the Lord justly punish such a confused and hopeless soul? How does that show an infinite love to them?

God loves his children. And says that his are is out stretched all the day long if we would but come unto him.

He has prepared a way that the atonement of Christ can reach out to everyone who will take hold of it. That even in death people can hear a message of hope, that there is still a chance before their resurrection they can accept Christ. That even though they may be condemned by those left behind they can still be spiritually saved. That those who loved them can still do a work for them and help them recieve the baptism they have missed. That when they are resurrected they can be resurrected with the just unto life instead of the resurrection of the unjust unto a spiritual death.

I believe that this gives a perfect balance of mercy and justice. That all of the law may be fulfilled and exact. Yet mercy can be extended without robing justice. That all can be done for God's children that he loves unconditionally, but greaves when we turn from him and like the parable of the prodigal son can say. "It was meet that we should make merry, and be glad: for this thy brother was dead, and is alive again; and was lost, and is found."

Now that I have your attention I hope you read my little sermon completely before you have your rebuttles.lol

Often times I have heard of people who while their hearts a broken because of the loss of a loved one who out of desperation for relief ended their life, because they were overwhelmed by grief or lonely isolation. Or to the wayward child or parent who succumbed to addictions and overdosed on a substance giving them a counterfeit happiness. Hears a preacher say that they have committed an unpardenable sin and will burn in he'll forever. And then when people are at their most sensitive time, be told that the only comfort to be had is that the lost soul can be a reminder of how we need to repent and come to Christ before it's too late.

I can say that I hate such instances and they are done by such ignorant and thoughtless people who deny mercy and the atonement of Christ and in a way teach about a God who is unmerciful and unjust.

Before I continue. Let me share some scriptures and then frame the context behind my conclusion.

1) Luke 4:18:19 KJV
The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the broken hearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.

2) 1 Peter 3:18,19 KJV
For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;

3) 1 Peter 4:6 KJV
For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.

4) John 5:25 KJV
Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.

5) 1 Corinthians 15:29 KJV
Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? Why are they then baptized for the dead?

God in his perfection is perfectly just but also perfectly merciful. And it would not seem just to cast off his children who need his mercy the most. When someone is suffering so much that the only way that they feel they can make the pain stop is by making it so that they can physically feel pain any more, when they feel that life is so hard that they can't go on, for those pleading with their soul in a way they can't express verbally, yearning for vedine help and feeling that it isn't there. How could the Lord justly punish such a confused and hopeless soul? How does that show an infinite love to them?

God loves his children. And says that his are is out stretched all the day long if we would but come unto him.

He has prepared a way that the atonement of Christ can reach out to everyone who will take hold of it. That even in death people can hear a message of hope, that there is still a chance before their resurrection they can accept Christ. That even though they may be condemned by those left behind they can still be spiritually saved. That those who loved them can still do a work for them and help them recieve the baptism they have missed. That when they are resurrected they can be resurrected with the just unto life instead of the resurrection of the unjust unto a spiritual death.

I believe that this gives a perfect balance of mercy and justice. That all of the law may be fulfilled and exact. Yet mercy can be extended without robing justice. That all can be done for God's children that he loves unconditionally, but greaves when we turn from him and like the parable of the prodigal son can say. "It was meet that we should make merry, and be glad: for this thy brother was dead, and is alive again; and was lost, and is found."